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Gets going this evening. "The Luke's" have found themselves in the top half of the draw together, so if you're looking for value in the outright market it will probably be found in the bottom half of the draw. Anderson at 12/1 appeals, the form he was in last week was that of the Gary Anderson who was the only player who could go toe to toe with MVG when he was at the height of his powers. It's a shame Bunting has found himself up against Luke Humphries in R1, as he's obviously in great form having made all 3 PC finals last week. Chizzy is playing well and has fallen on the right side of the draw, but if history has taught us anything, it's that backing Chizzy in majors is a quick route to the poor house. Will have another look later today and lock my bets in this afternoon.

Winners at 5/2 and 9/2 ...... one winning double profit +18.50

be wary that Dolan is ranked 2nd for highest checkout in ranked events over the last year. Only Littler is higher. Schindler can be dodgy with his doubling.

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More importantly, Top 10 Checkout % - RANKED TV EVENTS ONLY (both of these last 12 months) Rank Player Country Stat 1 Luke Littler ENG 44.41% 2 Brendan Dolan NIR 43.46% 3 Stephen Bunting ENG 42.76% 4 Luke Humphries ENG 42.16% 5 Gian van Veen NED 42.11% 6 Rob Cross ENG 41.7% 7 James Wade ENG 41.36% 8 Ross Smith ENG 41.05% 9 Luke Woodhouse ENG 39.3% 10 Peter Wright SCO 39.23%

3pts Anderson 12/1 ---------------------------------- 1.5pts e/w Dobey 25/1 1.5pts e/w Chisnall 25/1 1pt Woodhouse to win 4th quarter 22/1 Bet365 1pt Littler to hit a 9 darter AND a 170 checkout in the tournament 33/1

I reckon Littler could be tough to beat this week, and the draw has been relatively kind to him, certainly in the early rounds. He faces Rob Cross in the first round, and although Cross is the fourth seed, he has only won two matches in his seven Grand Prix appearances. Next up it would be Dolan or Schindler, and I wouldn’t expect either of them to cause him too many problems. Could be Aspinall, Searle or Rock in the quarter-finals and potentially Humphries in the semi-finals, tough match-ups but his effectiveness on double 10 means that there shouldn’t be many legs where he is slow to get going. I just think he is the one they all have to beat this week, although the odds of 7/2 aren’t particularly appealing, so for my outright bets I’m concentrating on the ‘name the finalists’ market. And the players I’m going for in the bottom half have both already been mentioned, Chris Dobey and Dave Chisnall. Both come here in decent form and have fairly good records at the tournament. Chisnall is a two-time finalist and Dobey has only failed to make the quarters in one of his four visits. Littler - Chisnall final 40/1 Sky Littler - Dobey final 50/1 Sky First round acca on Schindler / Barney / Littler / Noppert / Dobey 2-0, about 16/1 Sky Good luck with whatever you go with this week.

Ponte 337 Hardy Bloke 14/1 £10 ew bet365.

I took the 12/1 on Anderson as I think that might come in even more. 9/1 in some places. I need to do bit of research but I'm tempted with Dobey, Anderson and one other. Possibly Chizzy but ultimately this event is very unique and you need to be able to double well. If memory serves me well, Chizzy does well in this but I need to look further.

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7/2 (R4) and 10/3 Winners Highlighted yesterday. Just two that look a tad over priced today.. 15.17 Stratford Ronnies Rules 5/2 17.37 Stratford Top Tier Gossip 2/1 Quotes are Bog prices taken at Betfred at 11.15 a.m

2nd. + £18. + £146.

I like Joyce here, doubles are his forte, and it's a short game relatively.

Not much to add, nice analysis, guys. I also went with Chisnall and Dobey. Let the best man win that half. (I remember last year, when I also picked Chizzy... he was eliminated in the very first round by Woodhouse... now there is a potential Chizzy-Woodhouse tie in the 2nd round, lol.) Wade would have been a nice pick, he made the SF in the World Matchplay, and he's known for his steady doubling, but his draw is kind of harsh... The other outsider I have considered was Searle, but maybe that lost ET final might be in his head, AND he is in the Luke-half of the bracket.

another I liked is Cross to hit a 100+ checkout in each set (vs Littler) 28/1 Let's face it, he's going to be out-powered with the scoring and so he will need the checkouts. He could be whitewashed in sets and it still comes in. He's got a good checkout rate on majors. It's 4/1 any 100+ checkout each set so I've gone with the bigger price

Top 10 averages - RANKED TV EVENTS ONLY Rank Player Country Stat 1 Luke Littler ENG 101.92 2 Luke Humphries ENG 99.17 3 Michael van Gerwen NED 97.67 4 Ross Smith ENG 97.56 5 Rob Cross ENG 97.53 6 Josh Rock NIR 96.17 7 Stephen Bunting ENG 95.98 8 Chris Dobey ENG 95.97 9 Gary Anderson SCO 95.84 10 Gabriel Clemens GER 95.72

A decent day on Saturday with a profit of 13 points led by Candy at 28/1 COURSE TIME SELECTION ODDS BOOKMAKER Pontefract 1.17 Larchill Lass 12.00 BETFAIR Pontefract 3.02 Sea The Dream 2.50 BET VICTOR Pontefract 4.45 Roundhay Park 6.00 BET VICTOR Yarmouth 5.10 Terries Royale 3.50 BETFAIR Pontefract 5.20 Harry's Halo 2.80 LADBROKES Yarmouth 5.45 Dusk Dame 13.00 LADBROKES

5.20 Pontefract: Harry`s Halo @ 11/4 (Bet365)

good call on Littler, that D10 should be potent

Good luck guys The double start makes me nervous enough to reduce stakes, but like before want to be against Dolan tonight So will play Martin Schindler @ 1.53 with William Hill

Yarmouth 16.00 £20 Liberatus @5/4 bet365

Matteo Berrettini to beat Holger Rune at 1.80 with Bet365 I don't even know when Rune has last beaten someone this good, and his last week's performance didn't exactly inspire much confidence. Berretini ran Rune close in Cincinnati, and the situation is better for him this time around.

Not sure this will get seen as much where it’s been posted so I’ll stick it here for a bit. Let @tschurchy know your thoughts on where best to build a bet!

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Won, BSP 6.66 79 from 327, LSP 71.11

haha ironically I had Beans on toast 😆

Thanks mate just finished off a nice Chinese!

I've just gone for the draw at 4.75 ......... there doesn't look to be much between the two teams, Bradford's home advantage and Newport's better recent form balancing out

Good call on Schindi @Striker

Sincere thanks for your thoughts and kind help. m

630 w Beauty By My Side 7s

I'll go with a Day 1 4-fold, too. Clayton, Aspinall, Bunting & R.Smith 13/1 Bet365

Chisnall to beat Menzies 8/11 Bet365 Accy - Chisnall, Heta, Dolan, Aspinall 15/1 Bet365 I've seen some bonkers doubling from Menzies and although he is getting better, I wouldn't fancy him having to double-start each leg. I think Chizzy wins that one. It's much the same with De Decker. Much better now but has had doubling issues and went out with an 80 average to Cullen last year. Heta has also had issues in this event but he has looked solid in recent months, so I'm trusting him. I'll take Dolan to beat Schindler next. I think it's more of a closer one than the odds suggest purely because of the Double-In. If it were a normal match then it might be different. I've highlighted the checkout % above and Schindler has been frail on doubles in the past. Searle is a worry for me in this event as his doubling can go missing, too. Aspinall might be a bit of a dark horse. I just want to see him first after all his dartitis fears. I was also tempted by outsiders Joyce and Bunting. Any love for those?

4.50 Fairyhouse Ranger Billy ( each way ) 11/2 William Hill

AW selection Wolverhampton 6.30 BEAUTY BY MY SIDE

Skybet if it's not listed, mate.

Today's Random Five ....... RPR top rated in single figure fields, flat handicaps ..... 3.02 Ponty - Sea The Dream 15/8 3.37 Ponty - Hardy Bloke 15/2 4.00 Yarm - Liberatus 4/1 4.12 Ponty - Urban Sprawl 7/2 5.10 Yarm 0 Dream Pirate 12/1 10 x £2 doubles prices skybet

Thanks for your warm welcome and help Harry. I always used to use a perm, and would still do so if I could, but the familiar 'lines' are no longer on paper or on a screen. I would normally do at most 6 selections but not an accumulator. Betfred have suggested I use their online 'lucky 15' entry. I can easily go to a shop as I have two very close to home, and I always found counter staff to be very helpful, although they appear to employ young lady cashiers rather than even one old school individual who could quickly produce figures. But I guess onlone business has now killed that sort of service off. m

4.18 fairyhouse Bronson in blue 100/1 £10 e/w bet365 day 27 -£103

Pontefract 3.02 Epidavros 5/1 bet365

Leylah Fernandez to beat Shnaider @+129 with William Hill I think Shnaider is tired, and Fernandez gonna run down every ball on slower Chinese courts.. also h2h 1-0 straight sets for Leylah.

The higher you go ...the gaps in class seem to appear so it could be that listed or above races would be a good hunting ground ......but the more races I do I've realised class alone isn't enough .....you can have a really high class horse that's miles in front ..... but if it's badly hccaped ....wrong conditions ....or completely out of form then class alone won't make it win .....frustratingly makes sense when you think about it ..... If a horse is 10 PTS clear on class but all wins on g/f and today is soft then not necessarily a good bet .....likewise ....if the horse is 20 PTS clear on class but hadn't done a thing for 6 months and has been finishing average ...10th. Last six months ......doesn't mean impossible but ....unlikely to win despite class rating ...I've seen quite a few of these .......but when the stars align .....now your talking

Some results from further analysis NH Flat AE 1.18 Hurdle 1.11 Chase 1.04 Non handicap 1.13 Handicap 1.03 Group 1 races 1.17 Starts > 14 AE 0.92 (LSP -168) Forecast odds > 11/1 AE 0.80 (LSP -183)

well done Richard ........... brilliant ! 😎

September update @bymatrix maintains his lead although @LeMale closes the gap

Ive pondered the problem and maybe a highest place last three runs rating Wen compared to the overall rating could solve the problem ..... It would give you a comparison where the horse is now compared to it's best .... For instance .... Horse a won 25000 last year ....recently won a 6000 ....if you divide 6000 by 25000 it gives you a recent class rating of 0.24 Horse b won 16000 last year .....recently won a 12000 giving you a class rating ..0.75 So now you have a way to compare old to recent and the closer you are to 1.0 ....the closer you are to your maximum class rating ever 🤔🤔

And I do exactly that ....I scrub any group 3 /listed horses before I even start and yes it can scrub half the field .....and it's right they just don't win

Not sure how this may work but will give it some thought In your example of £25,000 Richard the only way i could see that scenario working would be to decrease the amount for each sub standard performance but then the horse will always have the hidden rating to win , so he'd need something like a Timeform asterisk to signify he was capable of winning at best. Needs lots of thought this so more time required

Richards initial comments Class is without doubt the hardest thing I have struggled with over my years of rating.....like space/time for instance ...without one the other doesn't work ....it's very similar in horse racing with class ....and yet I'd say 8/10 punters completely ignore it despite the fact you see it in action every single day and none of it makes any sense for all intense purposes it's an unseen entity