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Rated this with old class system which I've been refining for ages where you have a class par then compare the horses to that and I also use today's rpr and speed as a judge if what the horse is capable of overall ...... Class 2 ...par is 196 .....only 4 horses are within range Rhoscolyn 208 214 422 Thunder ball. 202 193 395 Nexus. 202 202 404 Hafeet Alain 198 186 384 Rhoscohlyn has rubbish form coming into this but has by far the best overall rating on 422 .....couple that with a 208 class rating which is way above the grade. ...in fact 212 is listed class so he's not far off .....you have to forgive recent form but yard is in form and could have been laid out for this ?? Rhoscohlyn 10pt win 4.7 Betfair

405 good par 212 Botanical 225 242 467 Cenhaan 218 193 411 Maxi king 208 205 413 Passion and glory 227 217 444 Savvy victory. 220 225 445 Heartache tonight 208 196 404 Macduff 210 212 422 Novus 213 226 439 Persist 195 212 407 Terre de vega 181 187 368 Par for this is 212 so terre ...heartache ...maxi ...and arguably macduff even are short ....overall botanical is way ahead overall and has a class rating of 225 .......223 is group 3 so this can be considered a drop in class ......short priced at 2/1 but you can see why Botanical 10 PT win 3.4 5 PT win doubles above 2 bets

Reportedly 8 changes for Wycombe from their last league game, and Villa include the likes of Duran, Onana, Bailey, Barkley plus their Dutch backs Maatsen and Bogarde with Buendia skippering the side. Those playing will be very motivated to impress Unai Emery. Emi Buendia to score 2 or more goals 20/1 (Bet 365, skybet) Aston Villa (-3 Asian) 6.80 (Bet 365)

147 w Ballinoulart 11/2

Tried it and gave up, was a nightmare, too many course and rail re-alignments, false ground reporting, too many fence omissions, best advice from me is AW speed figures side by side with what you already do with AW. Columns would be your MR your SR and the combo MSR to see if any or all compliment each other/works best...

3.05 Fontwell - Groom De Cotte 22/1 @Williamhill

I wanted to pick Rock, but apparently he is not participating. I went with the following: Noppert 41 DVD 41 Van Veen 41 -------------- De Decker 126 Wattimena 175 Kist 301 LOL, all BeNeLux!

Finally remembered to complete the P/L for the season. Stakes were 80.5 and the returns were 87.04 so a profit of just under 7pts. Can never be downbeat about making a profit although ideally it would have been nice for it to be higher, but I am well in front since I started tipping on the Aussie jumps which is the key thing. Sadly we did lose Mighty Oasis in the Grand National and he will be a big miss to the jumping scene next season. That season will start up again in March and in the meantime I will be putting some flat previews up as we reach the big Autumn races in Australian in the next couple of months.

Newc 830 Howzak 16/1 £10 ew skybet 5pl.

Altrincham v Dagenham & Redbridge Boston were a bit unlucky on Saturday as they had their keeper sent off at 0-0 and I thought it was a harsh one myself. The fact they then went 2 up and ended up drawing 2-2 highlights where they are at the moment and they look a fair way from the side they were last season. Dagenham were good value for their 1-0 win at Hartlepool on Saturday which of course was coming on the back of that 7-1 win against Gateshead. I think they should be favs for this so think they look a big price. Eastleigh v Woking More than happy to keep on opposing Woking. It didn't pay off on Saturday, but Fylde ought to have won. Slightly annoying that Eastleigh won on Saturday after I stopped backing them, but a 4-2 win over Rochdale was impressive and it was a return to form. They look a better side to me than Woking and I make them odds on shots to beat them. Hartlepool v Rochdale I'd make the away side favs here. As I highlighted at the weekend Hartlepool have yet to really get going and as I have highlighted above Dagenham's win on Saturday was well deserved. The home side continue to struggle and are under big pressure already, but they look so light weight up front. Saturday was their first loss at home, but they have drawn their other 4 and won just 1. They have only scored 1 goal at home although Dagenham's winner was just their 2nd goal conceded. Even so I think Rochdale are more than good enough to claim the 3pts here and can bounce back after their 2 defeats. Double A couple of teams make appeal at step 3 that are worth putting in a double. Bishop Stortford have won 3 on the bounce and look much better than Biggleswade. On Wednesday night Havant host Marlow and I still can't quite believe Marlow came back from 2 down a couple of weeks ago to do us. They let in 5 on Saturday and Havant finally broke the run of draws by putting 5 past Frome. I'd be pretty shocked if Havant don't win this. Prices from Monday 6pm Dagenham & Redbridge 2pts @ 7/4 with Bet365 and Betfred (take up to 5/4) Eastleigh 3pts @ 23/20 with Bet365, Betfred, Betfair and Paddy Power (take up to 4/5) Rochdale 2pts @ 17/10 with Bet365 (take up to 5/4) Bishops Stortford/Havant 1pt double @ 1.4/1 with Bet365 and Betfred

Yeah, with Littler, Humphries and van Gerwen there today I’m keeping stakes low, but going with: Heta 28/1 Sky van Duijvenbode 40/1 PP Nijman 50/1 PP De Decker 150/1 PP Hurrell 500/1 PP Good luck today.

3.05 Fontwell: Propelled @ 4/1 (WHill)

Ditto.

Placed +£40 -£38 day 14

Well for me this just goes to show how unscrupulous the bookies are it was Skybet that offered even money for all 6 to win. So the casual punter would probably not realise the boosts or shop around. Its just another way they use to maximise profits by deception because if they offered the odds you have obtained then that means that those are the odds that should be available as standard, never mind hiding them in faux bonus bets.

Cashout with 3 in and 2 to go.

This match in Norway tomorrow night interests me [6pm] Draw No Bet Lyn over Levanger @ 1.73 with Bet 365 As last time they met in May my bet ran out easy 3-1 winners

just looked at flashscore halftime and i need just the player to score yes only to score🫰🫰and cashout still only £70.48 tight👊👊bookie come on harry pep talk your player he had only 1 shot and that was not on target

But one went all the way... congrats!

Great price, anything above 6/1 would be decent. Stuck him for a brace in BB attempt on the game (25% boost and a freebie). Villa win and Bailey goal or assist the other components at 11.62 Used the freebie on Foden and McAtee to score and Doku to assist at 12s (Doku didn't get the memo apparently as he's just scored). On Foden and McAtee as singles and the latter to score in both halves at 14/1. Adams and Karamoah in the Italian Cup game which is just about to start. Timed out on posting a few bets, too many games!

just been given a cash out of only £65

Duran is bang in form for Villa and so 10.00 about him to score two or more with MGM appeals. I'll also play Villa to win and both teams to score at 3.40 with the same firm - dogs often at least get on the scoresheet in cup games like this where the fav team has chopped and changed their lineup.

Hi all, I'm new here. I've searched on the forum for this type of thread but couldn't find any so, hopefully, I'm in the right section and not duplicating anything here. I'm looking for a website where I can see the historical odds from Betfair (football). I know there is a way to do it manually via the Betfair website, but I'm looking for a quicker and easier way. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

@Nick Ntiba Welcome to the forum. I searched the forum for "historical" and found a thread I recalled where someone in France had asked if anyone could download the data for them but they didn't get a reply. I was wary of clicking on the link they posted in case it was dodgy but I guess it was this: https://historicdata.betfair.com/#/home There seems to be a lot of options here but I'm not sure if this is what you've already dismissed as being "manual" and not quick and easy enough. If so I'd suggest you try a google search on the subject as I suspect you'll have similar fortune to the aforesaid French gentleman on here.

One in each of the early Spain games, Iheancho 7/4 with 365 and Dani Gomez 4/1 PP (on if I can get close enough prices).

Italian Cup action first up for me today and both teams' front men look backable. 7/4 for Lapadula and 3/1 for De Luca (shame the 10/3 evaporated in front of my eyes but still just viable at 3s I think). 10/1 both to score worth a small bit on top (getting cocky with the BBs now I've strung a few winners together)!

l just seen this i am half way there but waiting on this game as Atalanta and Como was called off at the last minute thanks to a torrential downpour but the game has been rescheduled for tonight🤞

Newcastle 1720 Mr Fantastic 8/15 bet365

Late to the party, but I'm on: Anderson Menzies Wessel De Decker Jim Williams Wattimena So I've already lost 2 😅

1 pt win Spartan Fighter 18/1 Bet365 8.30 Newcastle

Luckily (if you'll tolerate a degree of AT) I decided to stick a fiver on the Cook and Coleman double with them both being with the same firm so a decent end to the weekend. Both offered just over 6% edge compared to my take on fair odds but my minimum for a system bet is 9%. As the double multiplies any edge I decided to risk it despite the double jeopardy on Cook. I make it around a 13% edge on the double so worth considering those where viable. The two wins were enough to edge me back in front for the season in terms of actual bets after last week's losses. This is what the system numbers look like. Category Number P/L ROI Players 237 -12.10 -5.11% Bets 41 -0.52 -1.28% Edge 101 1.90 1.88% No value 136 -14.00 -10.29% R# 95 8.65 9.10% Fair 237 -9.52 -4.02% Back 237 10.95 4.62% Sell 237 307.00 Buy 237 -1018.00 Backing every player blindly showing a loss. Small loss on the system bets (minimum 9% edge) but small profit if you backed every player offering any edge. Big loss on the "no value" bets. So I'm at least on the way to sorting the wheat from the chaff even if the jury's out on whether it will make a profit. So far the simple "R#" approach is beating the labour intensive system one (just multiply spread buy price by best anytime price). A value of 48 has flagged 95 bets with an ROI of 9.1%. Using 52 brings the bets down to 44 which is closest to the number of system bets and has an ROI of 7.5%. Will be interesting to see how that narrative develops over the season as I'm all for a bet selection method that doesn't need me to slave over a spreadsheet!

140 bev DANDYS ANGEL 9/2 WH

Today I'm going to follow Skybet's tips. It won't win a fortune...!

Current loss 37.67 points COURSE TIME SELECTION ODDS BOOKMAKER PLACES Beverley 3.20 Clarendon House 4.00 BETFAIR Beverley 3.55 Sergeant Mayer 4.75 LADBROKES 4 Beverley 4.30 Finbar's Lad 3.50 BETFAIR Beverley 5.02 It Just Takes Time 3.00 BETFAIR

Newcastle 6.30 ASHEN GLOW £20 win BSP

Warwick 16.05 £20 Fashionelle @2/1 bet365

Well, there's a familiar face at the top of the Punters Lounge Fantasy Football League this week and it's our good friend @StevenKing and his Nanakorobi Yaoki team! The experienced maestro picked up a decent 86 points this week to soar to the summit. Interestingly, he didn't even need to captain Erling Haaland or Luis Diaz in his team to earn that points total. Is this an ominous sign for the rest of the league that such a prolific name has taken the top spot so early? Manager of the Week was a convincing result this week with Danny Martins' Ideas Unlimited tallying up an impressive 97 points. The decision to captain Chelsea forward Nicolas Jackson was a stroke of genius and allowed the 0 and 1 point return from Manchester City duo Ederson and Josko Gvardiol respectively to go unnoticed. It was also a total that moved the team into the top 10. At the other end of the spectrum, it was a return to the dark days for our favourite failure Andy Elliott and his Andellio side. A total of just 20 points saw them take the worst score for the 4th time in the first 5 weeks of action. It is an unprecedented achievement that deserves reluctant praise in its own right! This total has put a temporary halt to Andellio's climb up the table and they are now back to being 89 points adrift of their nearest rival at the foot of the table. The competition is undoubtedly hotting up. Not only is the big name of Steve King leading the way now but a few familiar names are in the chasing pack such as @patriciamarc's Lucas FC, @dwikyeddo's Cyber Tech FC, @mickyftm32's Mikey's Mooses, @roy keane's Harchibald, @Alastair's Trojan Horse, @Raphael's Nito United, @chillymonster's Chillymonsters, and @Team Sagga's Team Sagga. Exciting times! The transfer deadline for this coming week's matches is 11am UK time on Saturday 28th September. Best of luck to you all!

Sorry, Harry, I wasn't well this weekend so only just seeing this. I can tell you categorically that I would not back Kanga to score in a month of Sundays! No idea who on the scouting team saw something in him that was considered "Championship quality"!

To save my typing fingers i would say of all this discussion this @harry_rag summary is about right 99% of the time. If in any doubt never cash out is my only addition to this.

Or that margins are tight and that cashing out or laying can take that margin away.

Reading different contributions on what has definitely been a useful thread, it seems obvious to me that there are still some that can't tell the difference between a good bet that loses and a bad bet that wins. And in that difference can be found those that can make a go of betting and those that can't.

In by half time. Nice.

Won Profit: +£55 Month: -£125

we're straight back into the PC tomorrow. All getting a bit "samey" now with the big boys winning these more often but I'll go with these lot. Van Veen 40/1 Menzies 40/1 Nijman 50/1 ----------------------------- De Decker 150/1 Clemens 150/1 J.Williams 175/1 Wattimena 200/1

AFC Fylde v Woking I know it is easy to say after they have won, but Oldham should have been more than a 1pt bet last week. Woking really are rubbish and Oldham beat them with ease. Prior to Tuesday night I might not have played in this game as Fylde have surprisingly struggled massively for points so far this season, but they sacked the manager which needed to be done and they then beat Southend on Tuesday night. I watched that game and thought they deserved to edge it. Having Nick Haughton up front is always going to be a plus and he scored the winner on Tuesday. I make them clear favs to beat Woking on the back of that win. Altrincham v Boston We were a bit unlucky with Boston last week against Aldershot and I think they are worth backing again here at Altrincham. They have had two very good wins in their last 2 away games, beating York 2-0 and Sutton 3-0, and with Altrincham not really looking all that convincing so far this season I think the bookies have under estimated Boston here. Gateshead v Forest Green Bubble well and truly burst last week as Gateshead lost 7-1 to Dagenham. Clearly that was a bad day at the office, but they looked shocking in defence and injuries to key players are not helping. They have dipped their toe into the loan market to help, but I've yet to be convinced that they look potential champions on the games I have watched of them so far. Clearly they can win this, but I just don't get how they are odds on to beat a FGR side who have one of the best squads in the divisions. Barnet are the only team to beat them and whilst a point against Wealdstone was a bit disappointing last week, I can see them causing Gateshead lots of problems here especially if they defend like they did at Dagenham. Hartlepool v Dagenham & Redbridge Speaking of Dagenham that win must have given them huge confidence and came on the back of beating Sutton 3-0. They are yet to win away from home, but their only loss was an unlucky one to Woking although I do hope they can take those home performances into their away ones. I remain unconvinced by Hartlepool and whilst they have only lost twice, they don't look a side who have many goals in them. I don't think there is much between these two on paper and Dagenham certainly have the momentum so look value to me. Solihull v Southend A bizarre gamble on Southend for this game as they haven't really got going so far this season. I tried taking them on against Eastleigh last week which didn't pay off, but that is one of just two victories so far this season. As mentioned above I watched them on Tuesday and they didn't impress. They look a side short on players and they haven't really looked to strengthen as I thought they would before the season started. Defender Gus Scott-Morriss has scored 7 of their 11 goals and that clearly isn't going to be sustainable. Solihull look to have turned the corner with wins at Yeovil and Rochdale the last twice. They should be clear favs for this in my view and they look a good value bet. Eastbourne v Slough I don't get why Slough are favs for this game. They are stuttering after winning 5 of their first 6 games with defeats to Weston and Hemel in their last two league matches. They then needed a replay to beat Chichester in the FA Cup this week. Eastbourne are above Slough in the table and I fully expect that to be the case come April so they really ought to be favourites. Their manager wasn't happy with their performance against Boreham Wood in the FA Cup last Saturday, but that was always going to be a tough game in the circumstances and I'm expecting much better here. FCUM v Matlock The home sides only win so far this season came on the opening day of the season and whilst there was improvement on Tuesday night in their 2-1 loss to Macclesfield, I can see a lot of sides raising their game against them this season. I do have add though that they had sacked their manager before that game so maybe there will be more to come. Even so Matlock have seen some fresh investment and a new manager themselves and they won for the first time this season against Workington last Saturday, but they only had 10 men for most of the game and came from a goal down as well. They battled well against Ashton on Tuesday to go down 3-2 and for me they look a big price to pick up another 3 points here. Prices from 6pm Friday AFC Fylde 2pts @ 8/5 with Paddy Power, Betfair and Betfred (take up to 11/10) Boston 1pt @ 10/3 with Paddy Power and Betfair (Hills are 17/5 and take up to 9/4) FGR 1pt @ 23/10 with Paddy Power, Betfair, William Hill, Ladbrokes and Betfred (365 are 5/2 and take up to 9/5) Dagenham 1pt @ 21/10 with William Hill and Betfred (take up to 8/5) Solihull 2pts @ 9/5 with pretty much everyone (take up to 5/4) Eastbourne 1pt 19/10 with Paddy Power, Bet365 and Betfair (take up to 6/4) Matlock 1pt @ 14/5 with Bet365 (take up to 2/1)