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Racing Chat - Sunday 23rd October


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Aintree 1.30
A highly competitive 3m 149 yards class 3 conditional jockeys handicap hurdle with a decent sized field of sixteen going to post. The weights are headed by My Bobby Dazzler who’s three from four at this tight flat track and shouldn’t be discounted easily for trainer Mel Rowley. Brian Ellison’s Tiger Jet was a very easy 19L winner at Hexham on his re-appearance a fortnight ago and although this is tougher with a 10lb rise is another would could feature at the business end. The one my pin has come down on though is the Dan Skelton trained Hidden Heroics who will be ridden today by his conditional jockey Tristan Durrell who can claim 3lb here. The lightly raced five year old was a decent runner up to City Chief at Ayr’s Scottish National meeting last April and landed the odds laid on him in a weak five runner novice hurdle at Uttoxeter the following month. He looks favourably treated off of 120 and in a wide open contest may be the value bet each way with enhanced places.
 
HIDDEN HEROICS 1 point each way @ 7/1 bet365 1/5th 12345
 
Aintree 2.05
The second on the card is an eleven runner 3m 1F handicap chase for veteran chasers. The last two winners of this contest are back here in 2020 winner Minellacelebration (7lb lower now and won this easily by 14L) and Wishing And Hoping (7lb higher now having won this by a comfortable 8L). Both have claims along with several others in another open handicap. The one who has plenty going for him is the David Pipe stable debutant If The Cap Fits. He’s joined the Somerset based trainer from Harry Fry for £45,000 and races now in the red colours of Judith Wilson. He’s had a wind operation since last seen in in April and considering he was rated as high as 166 over hurdles a couple of years ago could be thrown in for his new handler off of only 129. He’s only had the four runs over fences winning at Fontwell and placed in the three other starts including in the grade one Kauto Star novice Chase at Kempton. Philip Armson is still value for his 3lb claim having racked up 41 winners from 544 rides over the past couple of seasons and as with all of Wilson’s runners is in the saddle. He can be backed each way.
 
IF THE CAP FITS 1 1/2 points each way @ 9/1 bet365 1/5th 123
 
Limerick 2.25
A 2m 5F listed novice hurdle is up next and has attracted just the six runners with total no hoper Beau’s Candle effectively making it a five runner contest. Both Ambitious Fellow trained by Peter Fahey and The Friday Man trained by Gordon Elliott are officially rated the same and it could turn out to be a battle between the pair of them. Slight preference is for the latter who is a consistent sort who’s won four of his last five races, acts on any ground and will be ridden by Davy Russell. He’s the bet here.
 
THE FRIDAY MAN 2 points win @ 11/8 bet365
 
Aintree 2.40
An intriguing eight runner Old Roan Handicap Chase run over 2m 4F. Top weight and favourite is Paul Nicholls’ Hitman who like seven of the eight runners is returning from a break. He has some decent form to his name including runner up spots in the Tingle Creek and Melling Chase last season and has had his wind tinkered with since we last saw him. He’s the one to beat despite his big weight. Janie Snowden has his team in fine shape winning with five of his last six runners and saddles a brace of runners here in Ga Law who’s coming back from a 603 day absence and Soldier Of Destiny who would be the pick of the pair. Michael Scudamore’s Do Your Job won three of his six starts as a novice last season culminating in victory at the Scottish National meeting at Ayr. He goes well fresh and may just edge out Hitman today.
 
DO YOUR JOB 1 point win @ 4/1 William Hill
 
Limerick 3.00
Another listed hurdle, this time for mares only and run over 2m 6 1/2F and it will be a surprise if the favourite, Gordon Elliott’s Queens Brook doesn’t win this confirming his Cheltenham form with main rival Heaven Help Us who was 6 1/4L behind her in the Mares Hurdle then. She had an interrupted run up to Cheltenham last year and Elliott was very bullish in his trainer file earlier this week about her chances in that race for next year. She’s too short to back for todays contest but it’s worth a small win only ante post bet for the Mares Hurdle at Cheltenham at the current odds which look too big.
 
QUEENS BROOK 1 point win @ 12/1 Mares Hurdle (Cheltenham 2023)
 
Aintree 3.15
Eleven assemble for this class 2 2m 4F handicap hurdle. Neil King’s Onemorefortheroad kept decent handicap hurdle company last season winning three of his six starts and placed in the other three in decent class handicaps. He’s got a 204 day absence to overcome although 9 of the 11 are also coming here on the back of a lay off also. Off of the same mark as when third in the Scottish Champion Hurdle at Ayr in April he looks sure to be thereabouts under Jack Quinlan who could force the pace on the seven year old. Top weight Gentleman At Arms was a smart staying novice last season and makes his handicap debut off of top weight for Newport Pagnell trainer Stuart Edmunds. He ended his novice season with a highly credible 2nd of 14 in the grade one Sefton Novices’ Hurdle here over 3m. The drop in trip shouldn’t be a problem and he should be thereabouts. Fellow handicap debutant A Different Kind represents Donald McCain and Brian Hughes and is yet another possible along with Fergal O’Brien’s Peking Rose. A tough call but it’s Onemorefortheroad for me.
 
ONEMOREFORTHEROAD 1 point each way @ 9/2 William Hill 1/5th 1234
 
Limerick 3.35
The Munster National is run over three miles and this year has attracted a maximum field of sixteen runners. As you would expect it’s a very open handicap chase although if there is one horse who looks very well treated surely it’s the Robcour owned Henry De Bromhead trained Ain’t That A Shame. Lightly raced over the big obstacles he was placed behind some smart types in novice company last season before going to Cheltenham in the Kim Muir and being very well supported into 6/1. He flopped then, taking a keen hold and surely he’s better than that effort. He’s 7lb lower back on home soil and he can be backed each way with enhanced places. Gordon Elliott fires five at the race the best of whom may be Floueur whilst Joseph O’Brien is responsible for the top two in the weights, the JP McManus owned Early Doors and A Wave Of The Sea who have each way claims.
 
AIN’T THAT A SHAME 1 point each way @ 6/1 William Hill 1/5th 123456
 
 
 
 
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Munster National 3.35 

Flouer 9.15 9/1

Coko Beach 9.15 28/1

Max Flamingo 9 13/2

Darrens Hope 8.9 15/2

Velvet Elvis 8.85 5/1(Trainer said will come on a lot for run) 

Tough race as always . I’ve eliminated one or two horses purely based on strong trends analysis. Death Duty was high up but is 11. Flouer is the choice of Davy Russell which will do me. Coko although high in weights does have 7Ibs taken off, but not sure I’d fancy a conditional jockey to win this . His price cannot be ignored though and I’ll have a small ew on him paying 6 place . 
 

3 points win Flouer and 1.5 ew Coko 

18 points staked today 

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A lucky 15 for me at Aintree  & 2  e/w in the  Munster National

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1.30-Hurricane Harvey

15/2

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2.05-Potters Legend

12/1

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2.40-Riders Onthe Storm

14/1

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3.15-Bridge North

8/1

E/W Lucky 15, 15 bets * £0.50

3.35L Limerick- WAVE OF SEA 20/1 (now 16/1) DEATH DUTY 22/1 both bog 5places
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Couple Patents. 

Aintree. 

2.40. Soldier of Destiny.        9/2.... unpl 

2.05. If the cap Fits.          7/2............ unpl 

3.52. Heezer Geezer.                9/2...2nd

Ffos Las. 

4.40. Pilgrims King.           11/4.... unpl 

2.18. How's the Cricket.                 9/4...... 1st 

5.15. Shinobi.                      7/1......1st 

Good luck all. 

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Bit worse for wear today after all day wedding yest with free bar and the computer is a bit blurry ?? but I'll rate a few races for interest on quiet day 

315 ain't

Wilde about Oscar   8.3 9/1 

Onemoreforroad   8.1 5/1 

Gentleman at arms  7.8  

Tough race and flooding here in birm so weather will effect racing today ....I'll try 5pt ew top 2 

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2 minutes ago, richard-westwood said:

Bit worse for wear today after all day wedding yest with free bar and the computer is a bit blurry ?? but I'll rate a few races for interest on quiet day 

315 ain't

Wilde about Oscar   8.3 9/1 

Onemoreforroad   8.1 5/1 

Gentleman at arms  7.8  

Tough race and flooding here in birm so weather will effect racing today ....I'll try 5pt ew top 2 

I’m glad you also have Wilde About Oscar right up there . Yes expect soft going today at Aintree even though it’s currently saying good , or it was this morning . 

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2 minutes ago, richard-westwood said:

Munster national 

Darren hope  8.3  15/2 

Velvet elvis  8.1  11/2 

Flouer    7.9  11/1 

Difficult race with some horses out of form and nothing really well hcaaped so I'll Try 2pt wins top 3 in very tricky race

Yeah i agree that nothing looks well handicaped that's  how i ended up with Wave of Sea  who was 2nd in this last yeat btn 2 odd lengths and is 8lb worse off just hope the 6yo finds a bit of improvement also the decent claimer on Death duty (what a horrible name) steered me towards that one.

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37 minutes ago, richard-westwood said:

Munster national 

Darren hope  8.3  15/2 

Velvet elvis  8.1  11/2 

Flouer    7.9  11/1 

Difficult race with some horses out of form and nothing really well hcaaped so I'll Try 2pt wins top 3 in very tricky race

Velvet Elvis I was really keen on until I read the owner saying he’ll improve a lot for the run and they are going for the coral gold cup at Newbury. 

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5 hours ago, Villa Chris said:

Munster National 3.35 

Flouer 9.15 9/1

Coko Beach 9.15 28/1

Max Flamingo 9 13/2

Darrens Hope 8.9 15/2

Velvet Elvis 8.85 5/1(Trainer said will come on a lot for run) 

Tough race as always . I’ve eliminated one or two horses purely based on strong trends analysis. Death Duty was high up but is 11. Flouer is the choice of Davy Russell which will do me. Coko although high in weights does have 7Ibs taken off, but not sure I’d fancy a conditional jockey to win this . His price cannot be ignored though and I’ll have a small ew on him paying 6 place . 
 

3 points win Flouer and 1.5 ew Coko 

18 points staked today 

Good shout , 7 year olds have a great record in the race & Elliott seem to win it every other year .

1.30 Aintree - GLIMPSE OF GALA 9/1 eway bet365 ( 4 ) missed the 14's , should come on for run when 3rd 24 days ago .

2nd , another 25 metres & would have won .

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The veterans chase at Aintree  is offering cash back if 2nd or 3rd.  You just never know in them type of races who’s going to bolt up as most if not all are well handicapped on old form . Going to give that one a miss I think as I do with most veteran chases unless one really jumps out. Loads jump out in this one. 

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33 minutes ago, Villa Chris said:

The veterans chase at Aintree  is offering cash back if 2nd or 3rd.  You just never know in them type of races who’s going to bolt up as most if not all are well handicapped on old form . Going to give that one a miss I think as I do with most veteran chases unless one really jumps out. Loads jump out in this one. 

I always take the favourite with these offers. It has been very profitable for me (and my family) over the years, we've all made about £1k from them.

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Don't usually bet on Sunday, take a day off, but one came through on my tracker.

5.15 - Ffos Las - Shinobi - 7/1 EW - Trainer Kim Bailey in good form, and was backed a little on Wednesday (20 into 12) but never got to see what might have been. A horse fell in front of it and brought it down/  unseated. Is dropping in the hcp and looks worth an Each Way bet.

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3 minutes ago, Villa Chris said:

Oh my oh my , tough decision that Zilz . I think go with it but I’m not in your shoes and I know if I was I’d be tempted to take the cash .

Well no point in having the bet in first place if your gonna cash it in, i my opinion, already 1200 quid if the last loses and i had a tenner on each so well quids in. my nap got beat in France tho so shit happens. ?

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1 minute ago, Zilzalian said:

Well no point in having the bet in first place if your gonna cash it in, i my opinion, already 1200 quid if the last loses and i had a tenner on each so well quids in. my nap got beat in France tho so shit happens. ?

Good luck ? hoping it beats mine for ya 

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1 hour ago, Bang on said:

Don't usually bet on Sunday, take a day off, but one came through on my tracker.

5.15 - Ffos Las - Shinobi - 7/1 EW - Trainer Kim Bailey in good form, and was backed a little on Wednesday (20 into 12) but never got to see what might have been. A horse fell in front of it and brought it down/  unseated. Is dropping in the hcp and looks worth an Each Way bet.

Many thanks.  Had a point ew at 7.6

Methinks we need the jumps form to settle a bit before betting seriously on it. 

Very brave PL members taking part in all this

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