richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 17 hours ago, LLOYDY said: @richard-westwood could you send me it too? [email protected] Sorry...only just saw I've sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, richard-westwood said: Sorry...only just saw I've sent No worries dude ? good work on it all though interesting stuff ? richard-westwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Does anyone account for weight? For example .... Horse X rates 8.1, carrying 11’2 Horse Y rates 7.9, carrying 10’5 both closely rated but top rated carrying 11Ibs more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Villa Chris said: 3.00 Naas Grade 2 Echoes In Rain 6.2, 13/8(7/2) no value won Razzle Dazzle Love 5, 7/2(5/1) no value Belfast Banter 4.85, 11/1(11/2) value2nd Just a practise. Top rated won as expected. Belfast Banter out ran his odds which is good to see. 7 hours ago, Villa Chris said: Fontwell 3.10 Grade 2 McFabulous 9, 4/5(7/2) no value 2nd Brewing’ upastorm 7.75, 5/2(4/1-9/2) no value won Reserve Tank 7, 22/1(9/2-5/1) value Reserve Tank has some excellent hurdle form from his hurdling days. Comes back to this sphere from chasing and has been off for a bit now so probably best watched. The favourite looks solid anyway and should win. Practise ratings. Disappointing from Mcfabulous to not win this . The winner seems to have got his spark back now back over hurdles but for all the talk on Mcfabulous I’d be a bit underwhelmed he got beat here, and beat easily. Reserve Tank didn’t finish too many lengths back and I’d keep an eye on him next time out as this was his first run for nearly a year. Wildgarden and richard-westwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Does anyone account for weight? For example .... Horse X rates 8.1, carrying 11’2 Horse Y rates 7.9, carrying 10’5 both closely rated but top rated carrying 11Ibs more No I go off hcap mark .....if hes got a lighter weight hes taking on classier opposition ......unless the trends say low weights do well ....like the grand national....then I'd give bonus to low weights Edited February 28, 2021 by richard-westwood Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 5.00 Naas Aarons Day 9, 9/4 You Say Nothing 9 , 14/1 Shakeytry 9, 18/1 Conright Boy 7.75, 18/1 Yaya Fiz 7.65 , 66/1 too late to bet but see how it goes Edited February 28, 2021 by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 20 hours ago, richard-westwood said: Getting as much big race practice as I can on my days off so I'm ready ... 5.00 naas 20 runners You say nothing 7.4 499 8/1 15/2 no value Aaron's day 6.4 476 14/1 2/1 poor value Bua boy 6.3 451 14/1 16/1 value bet No memory 6.3 420 14/1 25/1 good value Bydesametoken 6.3 484 14/1 14/1 value Moonlight glory 6.2 430 14/1 14/1 value Combination of mine and ratings leaves You say nothing 15/2 499 Aaron's day 2/1 476 6.4 Bydesametoken 14/1 6.3 484 I'll try ew bets you say nothing and bytgesametokens 6places with sky And 6 x1pt forecasts Aaron's day 6th ...bytgesametoken 2nd at 25/1!!....good run by the value bet vikki37, Villa Chris, Wildgarden and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 56 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Aaron's day 6th ...bytgesametoken 2nd at 25/1!!....good run by the value bet Gutted had at 40-1 token. richard-westwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Slightly off topic but does anyone have knowledge of an online database for USA racing? I have applied some of what we do here to there with some success but could do with some trends to help improve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 More practice before I'm back at work 1230 plum Shes Gina 7.4 356 13/2 9/2 no value Jungle prose 7.1 336 7/1 9/2 no value Ding ding 7.1 330 7/1 11/2 no value Ding ding is hard to predict ....looks to have gone off the boil age 10 ....but will appreciate this distance ...whether is good enough any more remains to be seen ...safer bet is top 2 who are in form and running well ...4pts win both Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) So new to this interesting bits, I've taken some of what you have all been doing and it'd be interesting to see if I'm anywhere near your ratings. I have had a look at 3 races today, based on my ratings have put 1st 2nd and 3rd below: Punchestown 1.45pm 1st global equatity (now a non runner) 2nd black tears 3rd Sweet tears (looks to be value) 4th Darren's Hope Punchestown 4pm 1st Sassy yet classy 2nd toyko getaway 3rd dallas des pictons All good value tbh Punchestown 5pm 1st Hilltopsurpreme (by a clear mile) 2nd royal rhythm 3rd Nicole's Milan All good value especially Hilltopsurpreme at 12/1 Let's see how they get on, first time applying some of your logic and some of my experience Edited March 1, 2021 by LLOYDY Wildgarden, richard-westwood, BBBC and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, LLOYDY said: So new to this interesting bits, I've taken some of what you have all been doing and it'd be interesting to see if I'm anywhere near your ratings. I have had a look at 3 races today, based on my ratings have put 1st 2nd and 3rd below: Punchestown 1.45pm 1st global equatity (now a non runner) 2nd black tears 3rd Sweet tears (looks to be value) 4th Darren's Hope Punchestown 4pm 1st Sassy yet classy 2nd tomorrow getaway 3rd dallas des pictons All good value tbh Punchestown 5pm 1st Hilltopsurpreme (by a clear mile) 2nd royal rhythm 3rd Nicole's Milan All good value especially Hilltopsurpreme at 12/1 Let's see how they get on, first time applying some of your logic and some of my experience That's what its all about ....get stuck in and have some fun doing it ...the more you do the easier it becomes and there will be races where you scratch your head and get nothing but horses aren't machines ans sometimes just turn up and cant be arsed....but if you track back through everyone's posts since the beginning ...time and time again its found value bets and that's the name of the game ......good luck with your selections ....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 4 hours ago, LLOYDY said: So new to this interesting bits, I've taken some of what you have all been doing and it'd be interesting to see if I'm anywhere near your ratings. I have had a look at 3 races today, based on my ratings have put 1st 2nd and 3rd below: Punchestown 1.45pm 1st global equatity (now a non runner) 2nd black tears 3rd Sweet tears (looks to be value) 4th Darren's Hope Punchestown 4pm 1st Sassy yet classy 2nd toyko getaway 3rd dallas des pictons All good value tbh Punchestown 5pm 1st Hilltopsurpreme (by a clear mile) 2nd royal rhythm 3rd Nicole's Milan All good value especially Hilltopsurpreme at 12/1 Let's see how they get on, first time applying some of your logic and some of my experience 16/1 2nd ....12/1 easy winner in last ....boom ....well done Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Well done Lloyd and welcome to the forum . Not bad at all for your first attempt at ratings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: 16/1 2nd ....12/1 easy winner in last ....boom ....well done I was lucky as had Sassy at 25/1! Wow thanks boys that's a good start. That Hilltopsurpreme was clear on score by a mile. I'm on paternity at the moment so I'll pop another three up later tonight. How long does it take you boys? I'll like about 1hr and 30 mins for three races which is quite time consuming. Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Also worth pointing out in Lloyds last race his 3rd rated 25/1 came third . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LLOYDY said: I was lucky as had Sassy at 25/1! Wow thanks boys that's a good start. That Hilltopsurpreme was clear on score by a mile. I'm on paternity at the moment so I'll pop another three up later tonight. How long does it take you boys? I'll like about 1hr and 30 mins for three races which is quite time consuming. Takes me about 20 mins on paper which I find faster than the sheet..typing slows me down lol...it takes time but nothing good is easy Edited March 1, 2021 by richard-westwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, LLOYDY said: I was lucky as had Sassy at 25/1! Wow thanks boys that's a good start. That Hilltopsurpreme was clear on score by a mile. I'm on paternity at the moment so I'll pop another three up later tonight. How long does it take you boys? I'll like about 1hr and 30 mins for three races which is quite time consuming. Depends on how many racing but 1 hour 30 mins for three standard 10-12 horse race sounds about right for me. Those big 20 horse handicaps take me an hour. I enjoy it though and it’s all done by pen and notepad . Congratulations on the baby, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Also worth pointing out in Lloyds last race his 3rd rated 25/1 came third . Yeah I see that as well, I had lumped on Hilltopsupreme though as it was on the system miles ahead of any other horse. Was 11/2 last night but drifted today to 12/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, LLOYDY said: Yeah I see that as well, I had lumped on Hilltopsupreme though as it was on the system miles ahead of any other horse. Was 11/2 last night but drifted today to 12/1. It’s great when it all goes to plan. Be nice to get stuck into those big handicaps at Cheltenham. Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Gowran Park 3.50 Grade 2 (6 runners) Bachasson 9, 4/5(3/1) Castle grace Paddy 7.75, 12/1(9/2) Annamix 6.5, 6/1(5/1) Practise ratings for graded 1&2 races. Top rated should win but I like second rated at a price. Ran in two grade 1s recently against top class horses and easily beaten. His two previous runs to that were in grade 2s which he won beating a very classy horse in one of them. Only ran at this further distance once and that was few years ago and finished 2/15. Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Lets see if today was a bit of luck or not, biggest thing I'm looking for is consistency... gone for handicaps again three races with three biggish fields. Gowran Park 3.20pm 1st Mon Lino 7/1, 2nd Street Value 85/40 (3rd Fit to be tied 14/1 Catterick 3.30pm 1st Blunder Buss 10/1, 2nd Finisher 5/1, 3rd Sincerely Resdev 8/1 Gowran Park 4.50pm 1st Weihnacts 2/1, 2nd Chappel field 10/3, 3rd Bitview Colin 16/1 Nothing crazy in terms of price, however Blunder Buss is forecasted SP of 22/1 but the rest are about their SP forecast. Let's hope for another good day Edited March 2, 2021 by LLOYDY Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 10 hours ago, LLOYDY said: So new to this interesting bits, I've taken some of what you have all been doing and it'd be interesting to see if I'm anywhere near your ratings. I have had a look at 3 races today, based on my ratings have put 1st 2nd and 3rd below: Punchestown 1.45pm 1st global equatity (now a non runner) 2nd black tears 3rd Sweet tears (looks to be value) 4th Darren's Hope Punchestown 4pm 1st Sassy yet classy 2nd toyko getaway 3rd dallas des pictons All good value tbh Punchestown 5pm 1st Hilltopsurpreme (by a clear mile) 2nd royal rhythm 3rd Nicole's Milan All good value especially Hilltopsurpreme at 12/1 Let's see how they get on, first time applying some of your logic and some of my experience Well done Lloydy keep up the good work. Hopefully it wasn't begginers luck. I'm still developing my jumps seems slightly out of profit still.whenever I do it with a few winners barely covering the outlay. Although a few winners instead of 2nd by a head would have turned that over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Wildgarden said: Well done Lloydy keep up the good work. Hopefully it wasn't begginers luck. I'm still developing my jumps seems slightly out of profit still.whenever I do it with a few winners barely covering the outlay. Although a few winners instead of 2nd by a head would have turned that over... Who knows lol only time will tell. I only really know jumps as its what I've done/followed for the last 12 years. Fingers crossed ?I'm only doing really small stakes whilst I test the system so didn't actually win much yesterday. Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate53 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Dutch Decoy out again tonight so had to rate the race. Newcastle 19.00 Dutch Decoy 19.07 11/2 5/2 No value Theotherside 15.98 7/1 16/1 Value The Great Heir 15.06 15/2 7/2 No value Old News 14.48 8/1 15/2 About Right The Met 14.03 8.25/1 9/1 Some value Seas Of Elzaam 13.81 17/2 6/1 No value Dutch is way ahead so my money will be down if i can get 3/1. Theotherside may be worth a dabble in Betfair 4TBP market. richard-westwood and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 21 hours ago, Villa Chris said: Gowran Park 3.50 Grade 2 (6 runners) Bachasson 9, 4/5(3/1) Castle grace Paddy 7.75, 12/1(9/2) Annamix 6.5, 6/1(5/1) Practise ratings for graded 1&2 races. Top rated should win but I like second rated at a price. Ran in two grade 1s recently against top class horses and easily beaten. His two previous runs to that were in grade 2s which he won beating a very classy horse in one of them. Only ran at this further distance once and that was few years ago and finished 2/15. Top two were the top two. Bit there were two non runners which disabled an already small field of 6, so not a lot to take from it apart from top rated winning well which was expected . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 16 hours ago, LLOYDY said: Lets see if today was a bit of luck or not, biggest thing I'm looking for is consistency... gone for handicaps again three races with three biggish fields. Gowran Park 3.20pm 1st Mon Lino 7/1, 2nd Street Value 85/40 (3rd Fit to be tied 14/1 Catterick 3.30pm 1st Blunder Buss 10/1, 2nd Finisher 5/1, 3rd Sincerely Resdev 8/1 Gowran Park 4.50pm 1st Weihnacts 2/1, 2nd Chappel field 10/3, 3rd Bitview Colin 16/1 Nothing crazy in terms of price, however Blunder Buss is forecasted SP of 22/1 but the rest are about their SP forecast. Let's hope for another good day First race went well for you regarding ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Cracking stuff again Lloyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLOYDY Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Villa Chris said: Cracking stuff again Lloyd 3.30pm wasn't great, I'm going to look at what tweaks would have given me the right outcomes later. Should have done a forecast on the last ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, LLOYDY said: 3.30pm wasn't great, I'm going to look at what tweaks would have given me the right outcomes later. Should have done a forecast on the last ? You won’t get everyone right, it’s not possible. Yep, so far so good and whatever you are doing looks like it’s working so far, so wouldn’t tweak too much . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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