Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

[Aidymac]

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[Mustafa]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Under Ian Holloway Crystal Palace plays as Blackpool played a few years ago. They play open and attacking football, because that's the only way if you want to avoid relegation. They also have some decent players in their squad who are capable of scoring goals. So Both to Score @ 2.10-2.20 looks like a very good price in this one.

[sajtion]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September man utd is going downhill. with last weeks performance I cannot say anything good about them.

[tit@n]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September they aren't, though. they played well against chelsea but faile to score and losing on anfield is hardly a surprise. liverpool always raise their game against their biggest rivals and regularly get a result there. even when ronaldo and scholes were here, they regularly "underperformed" on anfield and they were saved only by shelvey's red card in the same fixture last year. people forget that united got the toughest opening games possible and I somehow doubt that arsenal or city would cope any better with swansea - chelsea - liverpool in opening fixtures, followed by c.palace game and manchester city right after it. United are champions, they will be looking to bounce back after a disappointing defeat and raise their confidence before derby, they will have Rooney and Rafael (probably) back and are likely to trash Crystal palace.

[Jase82]

Under Ian Holloway Crystal Palace plays as Blackpool played a few years ago. They play open and attacking football, because that's the only way if you want to avoid relegation. They also have some decent players in their squad who are capable of scoring goals. So Both to Score @ 2.10-2.20 looks like a very good price in this one.

I'm not sure I agree about Palace tbh. Although the both to score may come in and comparisons will be made between them and Blackpool, I am yet to be convinced of their attacking prowess. Oddly they signed Adrian Mariappa and Jack Hunt on deadline day. Two defenders when it looks really like they need some quality up front as I'd say defence is where they're strongest, in stark contrast to Blackpool. They've made a lot of signings and now have a huge squad full of players of average ability. Chamakh's got to be the worst signing of the bunch. Won't be happy playing from the bench and hasn't proven himself good enough for regular premier league football.

[Mindfulness]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September I think Mustafa has put forward an interesting play for this match, Man Utd V Palace BTS is on my shortlist for the next round of games. I thought the Palace attack was superb in the Sunderland game but to be realistic it was at home and it was against Sunderland. While I expect Palace to be very offensive at Selhurst against 70% of the teams in EPL, it's questionable we would adopt the same style against the hardcore teams. It all boils down to Holloway's tactics, all out attack against the top 6 or 7 sides could result in a thrashing which could be bad for confidence so there is the temptation to shut up shop and aim for a 1 or 2 nil defeat. The Sunderland game was the first time we saw the real Palace this season and the real way that Holloway likes to play, I was very impressed with us going forward so I can understand the temptation for BTS here. Will post up if I pull the trigger. For Man Utd I think this is actually a very good game for Fellaini to hit the ground running as he is very physical and good in the air which will be important for competing with the likes Jedinak and Dikgacoi. I also think this maybe the first game where we see Zaha unleashed in the premier league, Moyes should play him, he will turn Dean Moxey into a blubbering wreck. Manchester Utd may have 1 or 2 creative problems but this game should be an easy victory for them. Jase, I think you are being a bit unfair on Chamakh, he is a very gifted player and Palace are building their attack around him, he will not be a bench warmer. He's technically very good, works like stink, good in the air and brings others into play really nicely. His Arsenal career stalled due to off the field problems (which are now behind him) and the fact that Van Persie was undroppable for their only centre-forward position. Jason Puncheon is also a fantastic signing, Gayle is still raw but gifted, we will be a headache to defend against this year but mainly at Selhurst.

[TotoSchillaci]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Rooney being out last week was huge as it looked as if there was a hole in the middle of the field. He's the only guy that can play the number 10 role and sit in behind RVP and be the link between midfield and attack. Anderson, Cleverly etc aren't good enough to do this and Rooney's the only one special enough to do it. This is the reason why Man U pushed so hard for Snjeider and tried to hi-jack Ozil on the last day right before he signed for Arsenal - because they know they're stocks are low in that specialist creator position. I put so much weight on this that it will be the major determining factor for me when judging Man U matches this season. Plain to see that there was a serious issue in this area for them when in possession at Anfield.

[Fedar]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

they aren't' date=' though. they played well against chelsea but faile to score and losing on anfield is hardly a surprise. liverpool always raise their game against their biggest rivals and regularly get a result there. even when ronaldo and scholes were here, they regularly "underperformed" on anfield and they were saved only by shelvey's red card in the same fixture last year. people forget that united got the toughest opening games possible and I somehow doubt that arsenal or city would cope any better with swansea - chelsea - liverpool in opening fixtures, followed by c.palace game and manchester city right after it. United are champions, they will be looking to bounce back after a disappointing defeat and raise their confidence before derby, they will have Rooney and Rafael (probably) back and are likely to trash Crystal palace.[/quote'] I disagree here. You are saying that everything with United is fine, they just had tough schedule. But I saw nearly all their pre-season friendlies, saw their Premiership games so far, and I think they are in clear down-trend. I know many people downgrade pre-season friendlies, but it is a clear fact that team which performed well in them, showed great form in official games, while these which were poor in summer friendlies, started poor also in official matches. Many important players of Untied have been consistently underperforming, especially these on the wings, and we know that United's power have always been on the flanks. I usually make good money when big teams disappoint and I bet on them to make a heavy back-leash in the next round against poorer opponent. However, now I will stay away, cause I think there are some deep-rooted problems in this United's team, and until they sort them out, I can expect any negative surprise from them, even going into series of disappointing results.

[tit@n]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September no one is saying everything is fine with them. i watch them regularly, every week and every game for the last 12 years, and I can tell you that problems you've mentioned are nothing new. our best fullback (very important for the build up on right wing) is injured, nani and rooney were plagued by injuries lately and kagawa is far from being match fit. young and valencia were utter **** last season and nobody's gonna argue about that. yeah, there are some important players that don't play like they used to, particularly on the wings, but that's nothing new, really. just search for the inividual stats of young, valencia and nani from the last season and you will see that those "problems" were present even when Fergie was managing them. that didn't stop them from raping the rest of the league, though.

[KautoStar666]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September The play in this one for me is; Man United Over 2.5 goals @ 5/6 Man United stuck 4 past Swansea away on the opening day, and this is a much easier task than that one... after 2 tough games (Chelsea/Liverpool) were they failed to score.. they will want to address that here with 3 points, and a goals. A lot of backlash for some unsavoury performances, especially not being able to find the target should spur them on. Palace will throw caution to the wind, this is a fixture that they wont be expecting a thing from. So they'll go out there and try and attack in my opinion, leaving plenty of opportunities for United. This is an extremely important one for United, and for Moyes and I can imagine a bit of a goal fest. Score prediction: Man United 5 - 0 Palace.

[hellen]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

The play in this one for me is; Man United Over 2.5 goals @ 5/6 Man United stuck 4 past Swansea away on the opening day, and this is a much easier task than that one... after 2 tough games (Chelsea/Liverpool) were they failed to score.. they will want to address that here with 3 points, and a goals. A lot of backlash for some unsavoury performances, especially not being able to find the target should spur them on. Palace will throw caution to the wind, this is a fixture that they wont be expecting a thing from. So they'll go out there and try and attack in my opinion, leaving plenty of opportunities for United. This is an extremely important one for United, and for Moyes and I can imagine a bit of a goal fest. Score prediction: Man United 5 - 0 Palace.

Score prediction: Man United 5 - 0 Palace. This score should be a little high.

[vmoney]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Think United to win to NIL has to be considered here. I watched Palace v Spurs and they looked awfully short going forward. Also, being on the back foot for the majority of the game will also limit their opportunities. Moyes has been opting for hardworking players (Young) instead of the flair players (Kagawa) and I can see him continuing this trend until he feels more comfortable with the team. Vidic and Rio in defence should have enough to deal with anything Palace might offer. United to win to NIL 1.95

[Win3]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September United to win to Nil looks a bet to get on in my opinion.

[winnerwinner]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September I feel over 2.5 is a safer option in this game. Maybe it is just me having bad luck choosing to win to nil and probably scarred because of it. It takes only 1 stupid moment to lose the bet. I agree with the above punter that this could be a goal fest game. My prediction would be 3-0,4-0 or 3-1. RVP to get an early goal and the floodgates will be open. This is just my opinion. Although as a Liverpool fan, I hope the scoreline is the other way round :lol

[Nikifora]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September I agree United to get up by a couple here. It is very unlikely after all that's been said and done for MU to drop points at home. I actually think over 1.5 H/T represents enough value for medium to high stakes as I expect MU to go out blazing. Very important to get a big result for Moyes and Co due to recent results and criticism from just about everyone. GL all.

[MPLouis]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

I am yet to be convinced of their attacking prowess. Oddly they signed Adrian Mariappa and Jack Hunt on deadline day. Two defenders when it looks really like they need some quality up front as I'd say defence is where they're strongest' date=' in stark contrast to Blackpool.[/quote'] As a Palace fan, I think as a group our signings have been a bit too attack-heavy. The majority have been attacking players, not defensive ones. And one of our defenders, Marange, was omitted from the 25-man Premiership squad, and another, Hunt, has just been injured. So I'd say defence is where we're weakest. I guess this game will be a big test for us on all fronts.

[neilovan]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Looking at the last round of league games weird things are happening. 9 of 10 games in England go under 2.5 goals. 9 of 10 games in Italy go over 2.5 goals. United go goalless back-to-back for the 1st time in 6 seasons. Spurs still can't score from open play in 3 games. To many teams have new managers, too many new players, new agenda's Man United, Everton, Spurs, Saints, Norwich, Man City, Chelsea as well as the three promoted teams are full of inconsistency. That's half the PREMIER league that is basically unpredictable. Going to sit on the sidelines for a couple of weeks, and avoid falling in. United to win gives no value, over/under goals anything can happen, and maybe Crystal Palace play 11 behind the ball and come away with a 0-0 draw.

[Pay Day]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

Looking at the last round of league games weird things are happening. 9 of 10 games in England go under 2.5 goals. 9 of 10 games in Italy go over 2.5 goals. United go goalless back-to-back for the 1st time in 6 seasons. Spurs still can't score from open play in 3 games. To many teams have new managers, too many new players, new agenda's Man United, Everton, Spurs, Saints, Norwich, Man City, Chelsea as well as the three promoted teams are full of inconsistency. That's half the PREMIER league that is basically unpredictable. Going to sit on the sidelines for a couple of weeks, and avoid falling in. United to win gives no value, over/under goals anything can happen, and maybe Crystal Palace play 11 behind the ball and come away with a 0-0 draw.

This is the best post I've read in here for ages. This gameweek is also the first since the transfer window closed so for the majority of teams many new players to integrate. I mean what evidence is there for Utd to win 5-0 seriously? Moyes can barely get the attack creating a chance at the moment let alone score 5. People were saying similar things about the NLD that Spurs will win 3-1 , 4-1 despite everyone seeing that they could barely create chances outside of set pieces in their first couple of games.

[Max2112]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September United need to make a statement here - with Fellaini in there it gives the other 2 central midfielders a chance to get forward a bit more and start creating - RVP looked lost without any service last two games - Kagawa needs to play!! Fellaini will be a BIG plus with set pieces too - he'll cause problems I've seen Palace play twice now - TBH I think they signed way too many players in the window and Ollie will take time to find out what his best XI is and by that time it could be too late - they are still the weakest of the three promoted teams IMO and are favourites to go down (Sorry Palace fans :)) 3-0 to United - Nani looks massive at 8.50 for first goal - especially as I think he'll start on the right instead of Valencia - Chico @1.90 to score anytime also looks value

[kevshat]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September 4pts Under 3.25 goals 1.82 Ladbrokes With a tough Champions League game coming up on Tuesday night David Moyes might rest one or two in this match and he might then get his side to just run the clock down if they get a goal or two ahead. You’d think this would be a damage limitation exercise for Palace and they may struggle to get men forward to launch any meaningful attacks. Even if they do United look strong enough defensively so we may not see as many goals as people might think. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/man-utd-vs-crystal-palace-betting-lunchtime-kick-off-may-be-lower-scoring-than-would-first-appear

[dylanphan]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September A few days before game time still, but here are my thoughts (and I am a United supporter) This game screams avoid to me. Moyes is giving me fits as a manager. I can appreciate that my knowledge of the fitness levels of the United players is no where near as intimate as they're coaching staff would be, but why in the world is Giggs playing so much and Kagawa is on the sidelines? Makes no sense to me. Further, United is a much more dynamic offensive team with Rooney available then with him out. Simple as that. I do like the Fellaini signing quite a bit. He will have a lot of freedom to drift forward as an attacking mid with Carrick more than capable of staying back in a more holding position. Fellaini can give opponents fits with his size, physicality, strength on the ball and in the air. But again, how does Kagawa fit into this scheme? He's best as a central player. United wing play is still strong, although I'm not a huge Nani fan, he is a dangerous attacker and Young has looked good so far this season. Valencia is good enough. But there is simply not a fluid enough bridge of yet from midfield/wings to basically RvP. Hernandez should be back and available and that will be a boost, but this United team is having growing pains with their manager which is ridiculous since they were mostly unchanged from last year. If nothing else, this team should not struggle to score as they have so far this year (not only in the league but in the preseason ffs) This game should be a coming out party, but I can see Palace sitting back big time, hell I would if I was their manager. United also have CL and City on deck, so any players with question may be on the bench (Fellaini, Nani, Jones - hell wouldn't surprise me if Vidic or Rio see the bench too). This game should play out one of two ways- United score early, and then it's a score fest, 3,4 - 0, or the longer it goes without a goal, the more pressure there is on United to breakthrough and the more confidence builds for the away side. I know Palace like to attack as does their coach, but I am not sure those tactics best serve in this one. I will take a shot at exact score, 2-0 United...but I am not very confident at all that this will be the walkover many think it will be. I'm surprised so many players put their bets in before lineups are announced. I may put in a small poke before lineups if I have a good feel for who may or may not be available, but Moyes keeps playing what I feel are less than optimal lineups for the talent United has. good luck with your bets this weekend.

[TotoSchillaci]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

Looking at the last round of league games weird things are happening. 9 of 10 games in England go under 2.5 goals. 9 of 10 games in Italy go over 2.5 goals. United go goalless back-to-back for the 1st time in 6 seasons. Spurs still can't score from open play in 3 games. To many teams have new managers, too many new players, new agenda's Man United, Everton, Spurs, Saints, Norwich, Man City, Chelsea as well as the three promoted teams are full of inconsistency. That's half the PREMIER league that is basically unpredictable. Going to sit on the sidelines for a couple of weeks, and avoid falling in. United to win gives no value, over/under goals anything can happen, and maybe Crystal Palace play 11 behind the ball and come away with a 0-0 draw.

BINGO! plus Moyes is probably stressing over his CL debut and I won't handicap them when their play and personnel will likely show this.

[KautoStar666]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Last season Man United won 15 of their 18 home games. Against the bottom 11 sides, they scored at least 3 goals, on 8 occasions. I understand the new season, new manager and the pretty low scoring start on the whole in the league, but some are using stats for the season way too much on this one. Palace are a poor side, and even if United rest RVP they bring in Hernandez. If they rest Vidic, in comes Evans. Its not going to be much weaker, at all. After failing to find the net twice in a row, its inconceivable they will again here. Moyes needs a massive result because doubters are already appearing. Add Felliani and his debut wanting to impress, add RVP who has "apparently" had bad words to say about Moyes, what better way to come out and prove your all in cohesion? get himself an hat-trick. I'll say it now, there Is no way on earth, this will finish 0-0 or 1-0. Those saying its plausible are clearly on another planet.

[TotoSchillaci]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September

I'll say it now, there Is no way on earth, this will finish 0-0 or 1-0. Those saying its plausible are clearly on another planet.

I hope you're right but it's always the "impossible" that seems to materialize at the worst time.

[pg_yid]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Am tempted to back United here tbh. I think there's been a bit of an overreaction to what's going on there with Moyes. Looking at the difference in class, and United's long term home record which surely still has some relevance despite the change in manager's, and 1.25 looks like quite a steal against a poor Palace team. I may leave it for now though as I think the price could keep drifting.

[Munson]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September I am thinking 3-0 United for this one. I think they can hold off Palace (they should do) for a clean sheet. As has been mentioned, I think United really need to exploit the fact that this newly promoted side are finding their feet with so many new players to integrate. Home advantage to United also, 13/2 on Bet365 (atm) is decent odds, and I'll back it.

[Fader]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September I'm going to turn my attention to the corner handicap here. Man United managed to win the corner bet 7-2 Vs Liverpool and that match was away from home. They also managed 4-1 Vs Chelsea. Crystal palace lost their first 2 match corner bets 7-0 and 7-3 and only managed to draw 6-6 vs an awful Sunderland team (at home) who imo could finish bottom. 5pts Man United corner handicap -4 1.80 Bet365

[BookiesNo1Enemy]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September This could be the perfect time to have a small dabble on the HT Draw/Full Time Man U bet. I can see Palace doing the usual against United even though olly is known for going for it. For what its worth I think Palace might even nick a goal at OT, lets face it there should be no team going there without the thought of getting on the score sheet, Gayle is a little livewire and Chem with a point to prove are both good shouts but for me Puncheon is the man and from the wing im taking the brave call to take Jason as the man to open the deadlock at 25/1.

[RedDevil92]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Anything apart of a high victory by United would be a surprise. If Moyes plays Fellaini besides Carrick in central midfield, plus Zaha/Valencia and Nani on the wings plus Kagawa behind RvP, then United should batter them. Palace have such a poor squad.

[Vilamoura04]

Re: Manchester United v Crystal Palace > Sat 14th September Large dose of faith required for this one but under 2.5 goals looks the value at 2.7. Both teams have attacking reputations and United home games will always show an attacking bias. However 1.5 for overs looks a little short when you have confounding variables such as early kick off, players coming back from tiring international breaks, champions league game up next, unpredictable form and weather. Bet: Under 2.5 goals at 2.7 (betvictor) stake 1/10