Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

[Aidymac]

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[neilovan]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Until the January transfer window Man United will continue to be great value for over 2.5 goal betting. Van Gaal with all the spending has not addressed the defense. United have played the bottom half of the league and don't have an away win ? They are conceding goals against average/weak opponents. Against good ones they will be vulnerable ! The combination of giving up ridiculous goals and having offensive cannons means goals almost every game. Another factor here for me is that United will probably start van Persie and Falcao upfront. This is miles better than the van Persie and Januzai gamble (Januzai had a stinker against WBA). van Gaal said Falcao did'nt start last week due to returning from Internationals a day later with longer travel. Obviously no idea of which Mourinho turns up. Could be the same approach as last season, which in hindsight was a joke. Look no further than over 2.5 goals here at great odds of 1.83 various.

[UnitedForever]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th This match is no bet for me. We are going to play our attacking football but Mourinho will most likely come to Old Trafford to defend.

[Sm0k3rZ]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th i dont think mourinho will come to old trafford to defend..he knows manu is there for the taking..and plus he has such a good momentum going on with the team..all of the sudden he will ask the team to change their play and defend? maybe if it was away to barca madrid bayern then i can see it happening. Also manu has only 6 wins in the last 22 times these two have met. Also Van Gaal would take the draw offered to him before the match..last thing he wants is to lose at home to a big club. If costa was playing this would have been a chelsea win all day long.

[TotoSchillaci]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

This match is no bet for me. We are going to play our attacking football but Mourinho will most likely come to Old Trafford to defend.

Perhaps not. Mourinho would of taken note of the ease with which the lesser teams have netted against Man U and seen all their defensive errors like the rest of us. So Mourinho may play a balanced match and back his side to concede less goals than the Devils. The better defence will win it and Terry and Cahill can cope better than Rojo and Jones with the star studded attacks they'll face here. Also one pair will have Matic the iron man screening the play in front of them and breaking up attacks. Whereas Man Utd don't have that specialist defensive mid player to help out the centre backs (and they may require help vs Hazard, Fab, Diego etc). Herrera and Blind are midfielders who prefer to be with the ball rather than without it.

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

Until the January transfer window Man United will continue to be great value for over 2.5 goal betting. Van Gaal with all the spending has not addressed the defense. United have played the bottom half of the league and don't have an away win ? They are conceding goals against average/weak opponents. Against good ones they will be vulnerable ! The combination of giving up ridiculous goals and having offensive cannons means goals almost every game. Look no further than over 2.5 goals here at great odds of 1.83 various.

I personally with be a little bit weary of Overs on this on occasion. It's Mourinho away from home against, well, what used to be a big team :lol Mourinho will set his team up to play on the counter, hope to nick a goal and will defend that lead if they get it. They drew 1-1 at City, a game where Mourinho got his away goal and sat back but City scored late on. They beat Liverpool 2-0 away last season, beat City 1-0 away last season, drew 0-0 away to Arsenal, drew 1-1 away to Spurs and drew 0-0 at United... Big games where Chelsea play away from home generally tend to be Unders, so although I think there is a good chance of goals, I'd just be weary.

[NoFear]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

I personally with be a little bit weary of Overs on this on occasion. It's Mourinho away from home against, well, what used to be a big team :lol Mourinho will set his team up to play on the counter, hope to nick a goal and will defend that lead if they get it. They drew 1-1 at City, a game where Mourinho got his away goal and sat back but City scored late on. They beat Liverpool 2-0 away last season, beat City 1-0 away last season, drew 0-0 away to Arsenal, drew 1-1 away to Spurs and drew 0-0 at United... Big games where Chelsea play away from home generally tend to be Unders, so although I think there is a good chance of goals, I'd just be weary.

but that was a different chelsea all together. Not the one that seems to be the all-conquering of this season, even away. Remember, everton away? City is a bigger team than the current Man UTD and I think Mou is clever enough to see that. Smaller teams have given man united defense big problems, so it would be foolish to play for a 0:0 or a draw here. Besides, Chelsea has been conceding regularly too and given the Man Utd attack force, you may well assume they will score if di Maria is on call. Chelsea may well set-up with a counter-attacking team, but they MUST test the Man Utd defense much more than say last year. Thats whats interesting for me. How do you test that defense when your main strikers are out and you are left with a 36-year old Drogba, who may not be fit yet and definitely not play 90 mins. Will starting schurrle upfront instead of Drogba be a better option. Like others have said, if either Remy or Costa started, Chelsea look worthy favs. But since both are out, its turned tactical now. I know mou has been defensive away to big teams in the past and may well do that here, but to win you have to exploit the weakness of an opponent and Man Utd's weakness is their defense. I know for a fact that if Mou wants a 0:0, he gets a 0:0. Doesnt matter if Man Utd's strike force is better than Barca or Real (it's not). But he said that last year it was not his team. He was managing a team as best as he could. But after he has done his business in the transfer market and have had time with the players, this year it is his team - a Champions League winning team, "with big balls and one who imposes itself on opponents". Personally, I think he will play a counter-attacking BUT very capable team, which will be much more dangerous on the counter than last years. But Man Utd will be happy with a draw against league leaders. And they may well match-manage so they dont concede on the counter. And that as well as costa/remy absence will bring the draw into the equation for me cos if either were fit, I dont think Mou would have gone there looking for a draw. I will add more thoughts later as I am running out of time

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th No Remy, possibly no Costa, possibly no Di Maria, with Drogba or Schurrle up front, Chelsea won't be as potent in my opinion. Although United conceded 2 goals v West Brom, I do think their defence is improving all the time, they defended very well against Everton I thought and the Baggies goals were taken brilliantly. Mourinho is coming here for a 1-0, I don't think he is going to play a big open expansive game like you suggest. Although United have not been great, they still have players that can cause serious damage going forward and Chelsea's defence has not been the best this season. Chelsea will score, and will dominate possession, but I personally can't see them scoring 3 without Costa and Remy. At the other end, the lack of Di Maria could well stall United's attacking abilities too.. I still think Overs is quite likely, I just wouldn't back it myself considering Chelsea and United are both missing their most attacking influence.

[NoFear]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th I didnt suggest a big open expansive game btw. I said, "Personally, I think he will play a counter-attacking BUT very capable team, which will be much more dangerous on the counter than last years.". So yes, he will look for a win, be it 1:0 or whatever, in contrast to last year, where he was just looking for a 0:0 and started with no striker.

Chelsea will score, and will dominate possession, but I personally can't see them scoring 3 without Costa and Remy.

Of course. Strikers are their problem otherwise, they would be a great bet at the odds. FWIW I reckon they could score a couple and try and hold onto their lead, probably when its 0:1 or 1:2 after they score from a counter, although 1:1 is the most likely scoreline for me. All I was trying to point out was that their no point in comparing Chelsea's last years results where they were a weak team and looking for a 0:0 away than the current team who really hasnt been looking for 0:0 away at all and have always gone for wins. Against City, it could have easily been won had Costa not hit the bar. PS - I am no Chelsea fan. Just looking to make money as always.

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Chelsea weren't weak last year, they just lacked a striker... If Costa doesn't play the weekend, they have a very similar side to the one that played last year. They played WOEFUL at City, sat everyone behind the ball and didn't even try to attack, so bar the Everton game (Which Costa played), I haven't seen any tactical difference with Mourinho when he plays a big team away from home. Nice to have a debate though mate, that's what it's all about. I personally wouldn't back Overs or Unders here as it could go either way, that's just my opinion. I couldn't be confident of either.

[NoFear]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

Chelsea weren't weak last year, they just lacked a striker... If Costa doesn't play the weekend, they have a very similar side to the one that played last year. They played WOEFUL at City, sat everyone behind the ball and didn't even try to attack, so bar the Everton game (Which Costa played), I haven't seen any tactical difference with Mourinho when he plays a big team away from home. Nice to have a debate though mate, that's what it's all about. I personally wouldn't back Overs or Unders here as it could go either way, that's just my opinion. I couldn't be confident of either.

Yes, mate. Just hope we can find an angle here that gives us some edge. IMHO last year chelsea lacked the cutting edge in the midfield as well. Mata had a great game away at united last year, but as a player I dont rate him much. And he hasnt done anything at United for me to change my mind yet. He is an ok player, but not a brilliant one. I also think Hazard is a better player this year than last. So is Schurrle. You probably see me mentioning his name a few times in my posts but he does offer some flexibility and has grown over the last year. Was part of a great German team in the World Cup and can only see him get better. They didnt have Fabregas last year either. It's just a much better team for me with players like Salah not even getting into the starting 11. Against Man City, you may call it woeful or that he set them up as a counter-attacking unit. City really had a history of struggling against counter attacks. They lost to decent mid-table countering teams like Aston Villa, etc, and have always been vulnerable on the counter attack in the past. This is starting to change as Mangala has the pace. But when you are playing city away, you know they will get bodies forward. So how best to take advantage. Well, you can counter. Its all about winning with Mou's Chelsea, doesnt matter whether its not easy on the eyes or not. Like Pellegrini said, they play like a small team, But also like Viera said, they have the grit to be the Invincibles this season, and go a season without losing. Although, I dont think thats easy as PL is getting really competitive. For me, the strikers are a big miss. I would have still been confident of Cheslea win had Remy been available, even if Costa wasnt. For now, they have a big disadvantage upfront which has turned their odds from value to -EV. But like I said, if Mou can find a way to utilize schurrle and the team in some way where they are pressuring Man United's defense a bit more and making up for their striker issues, they could win. But its a big ask, and atm the value call is the draw as both teams will be satisfied with a draw. Injury-hit Chelsea keeps its unbeaten run going while Man United manages to not lose against a big team at home. Di Maria will definitely start here and thats advantage ManU. So all in all, until we can find something else, I guess DRAW is the most likely outcome here.

[Hutcho_CFC]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th If Costa starts 8/5 is almost as good as getting evens on Madrid vs Pool. But without him and Remy i would be weary. I would guess we go with Schurrle upfront and Mourinho would just set up to be nice and solid and hit them on the counter with all that pace. I like our defence a lot but can't really see us keeping out united's attack all game. Similarly though i can't see uniteds defence stopping Hazard and co either. I think we get the win. But without Costa it will be a lot closer, so waiting for the teamsheets is probably the best option.

[Mindfulness]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

so waiting for the teamsheets is probably the best option.

Completely agree, there's potentially a decent bet we can make here but we must see the lineups before deciding imo.

[Paperclip]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th

This match is no bet for me. We are going to play our attacking football but Mourinho will most likely come to Old Trafford to defend.

Somehow, I think you are viewing this thru' rose coloured specs!

[Alexc]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th It all hinges on team news, imo. Costa fit and plays, fairly unlikely Chelsea will play in a negative way, as it goes against their philosophy for this season away from home, which is to be more attacking, hence the singings of Fabregas and Costa, and the increase in goals their games have seen. If he goes with Drogba that would be like playing with ten men. Schurrle will do a good job up front, but it makes goals more unpredictable, though I still think it would go over, as Chelsea then become more of a front four, with the awareness that they don't have a target man and Hazard, Fabregas, Oscar and Willian need to do even more.

[kevshat]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th 4pts Chelsea to beat Man Utd 8/5 William Hill United’s defence has been shown up on more than one occasion this season and that has to be a worry ahead of taking on such a free flowing attacking side like this Chelsea one. The home side were fortunate West Brom let them back in to the game on Monday night but this Chelsea defence are miserly and I don’t see United getting too much joy in forward areas unless Angel di Maria is on top form. United have too many question marks about them for me so I’m with Chelsea here. Full preview here: http://www.punterslounge.com/man-utd-vs-chelsea-betting-chelsea-should-be-able-to-expose-this-weak-united-defence

[MPLouis]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th In earlier years, I would always back the chasing team against a team with a big lead. United need the points here more than Chelsea - but there's something about this Chelsea team under you know who. At the end of day, I think Mourinho will be happier with a point that LVG. I wouldn't be too surprised if it's a draw - but Chelsea are probably the more likely winners.

[Zozo the Duke]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Man Utd - Chelsea Pick: Chelsea (0) Odds: 1.75 @ SBO Stake: 7/10 Although Manchester United after terrible start improved the game a bit, I still do not trust them, and I do not trust them against much weaker opponents than the best team in England at the moment, Chelsea. United's defense is on very bad level and thanks to some great saves from De Gea, they didn't concede even more goals. On this match, they will have to play without one of the most agile players in this two bad seasons, Rooney. This is a huge blow for the team, no matter that he will be replaced by Falcao. Chelsea is playing the best football in the league. Fabregas and Costa connected well with the rest of the team and now Mourinho have strong attack in front of great midfield and defense. From what we saw so far from them, they are righteously labeled as no. one favorite for the title. I expect tough match, but we are witnesses on Mourinho's great record against top 5 teams and now with quality and form on his side I expect Chelsea to win, or at worst case, to maintain the record of not suffering loss from Man Utd from last 6 to last 7 matches.

[newjack]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th I like your bet Zozo.

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th *Rumours* on Twitter that Costa will play and Falcao is struggling to make the Starting 11.

[AF13]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th MANCHESTER UNITED – CHELSEA Chelsea to Win or Draw + Total Over 2.5 at 2.62 @ Marathonbet The clash of “Old Trafford” between Manchester United and Chelsea attracts the interest at the programme of Week 9 of this year’s Premier League. The Red Devils are looking for their first big win at this year’s championship, whereas the Blues come into this match as 1^st at the table. Louis Van Gaal is not still able of building a concrete team, with United showing many ups and downs at its performances. Chelsea, on the other hand, has a great squad and a concrete philosophy into the field, being unbeaten with seven wins and one draw. In conclusion, I think that Chelsea is going to leave from “Old Trafford” with point or points, but in the same time United will score for sure (Over 2.5).

[nad33m]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th My last big bet was a Chelsea win away against Man City, @3.0 (I was going to bet my entire bank but after reading some sensible advice here I bet half my bank). The best lost aloth Chelsea where leading right until the end when Lampard scored. Man City could of gone on to win with a few late chances. Saying that it was a good value bet, 3.0 for a Chelsea win that almost paid of. Now it's Man U away, and odds for a Chelsea win are around 2.5 , I will repeat my bet, half my bank. It is more likely to pay off than against Man City. Reports are than Costa will play, even if he does not Drogba is still a clinical finisher if given any sort of chance. United's defence is leaking goals, I cannot see them keeping a clean sheet vs Chelsea unless they play for a draw, in which case they would be relying on luck that Chelsea do not find a deflection or penalty or a moment of magic from Hazard and co. Well worth 2.5 odds in view, let the money ride. (may even go entire bank, I feel like doing it)

[dylanphan]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th I have a punt on o2.5 goals at -117. Odds just too low for me not to take a shot. Honestly, United have tons of options up top. LvG has United in attack mode almost all the time, probably to try to cover up their lack of defense. Last match out United played with Jones as their only CB. Of course they are going to give up goals playing without a center back in a top league, I don't care who you are playing against. United start almost every match with a -1 handicap as they are not going to keep a clean sheet. They have really not played against a team as in form as Chelsea in ages. IF Costa misses, Chelsea still have quite a few options in attack, and frankly with torres gone that's been addition by subtraction there. Hazard will give the United defense fits, and I can see him drawing at least a pk against, and plenty of great opportunities. United's attack is very very good. In particular on set pieces, they have many options. And Rafael has been playing tremendously when fit, bombing forward he is always a danger man and often over looked. In short, United's attack is very good. United's defense is awful. Chelsea's attack is very good and their defense is good as well. IF Chelsea think they can sit back behind the ball and defend all day long without conceding, I think they'll be proven wrong - thus the reason we bet. And, let's not overlook the fact that City lost yesterday. Quite honestly, if Chelsea win today, can anyone catch them? Game has 2-1, 3-1 written on it - I just can't decide if the away team will get more of the goals, so I'll bet for goals. :cheers:

[darek5cro]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Will Costa and Di Maria play or not?

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Costa is not in the squad, Di Maria will play, Fellaini starts, Falcao is a doubt, Carrick a possible to start. Jones is out,Smalling starts.

[darek5cro]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Lets preview. Falcao doubt - so he will be on bench. Jones out - blow. If Carrick will start with Fellaini in middle, that will be big advantage on Chelski side in. Manutd dont have any quality player that can stop Hazard. Chelski will control midfield in first half so first half (my opinion) - bore draw .

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th @RichJLaverty: #MUFC: De Gea - Rafael, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw - Blind, Fellaini - Di Maria, Mata, Januzaj - van Persie,

[Aidymac]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th @SamWallaceIndy: Chelsea to face MUFC: Courtois, Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Felipe Luis, Fabregas, Matic, Willian, Oscar, Hazard, Drogba.

[macmuck]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Well I layed Man U this morning to keep the draw onside- but really Chelsea should win this a shade comfortably on form over the last few seasons. The Reds have conceded 11 in the last 4 games against opposition that is far from the strongest around the top tiers of Europe- the standard we usually judge them against. It's all very unconvincing to me! Chelsea played some beautiful football in the week, very creative, with Hazard a standout! Team looked like the well oiled machine that Mourinho would want. If there are no fatigue considerations ( an the boss will have watched that carefully) then I think the drift on Chelsea opens up up a great betting opportunity. Take all the sentiment out of this game and get stuck in at 2.8 on the exchanges! My biggest bet so far this season....

[Mindfulness]

Re: Manchester United v Chelsea > Sunday October 26th Manchester Utd V Chelsea Chelsea -0 @ 1.917 Matchbook > 5% BR I think approach will be an important factor in deciding the outcome of this contest. First of all there is very little pressure on Chelsea here, they are absolutely flying in the league and have already received the psychological boost of seeing main competitors Manchester City gain zero points at West Ham yesterday. Mourinho does not have to take all 3pts from Old Trafford today and therefore he can deploy the system he always loves to use away to the big sides – sit back and then counter when opportunities present themselves. For Manchester Utd it is likely to be a different story, they are making steady progress under Van Gaal but home dynamic, philosophy and playing style could all count against them in this particular game. Van Gaal sets his team up with an extremely high defensive line with a preference to control the game in opposition territory, against Chelsea this strategy could prove to be costly as we all know how effective Mourinho sides can be at exploiting transition. Are Manchester Utd really going to change their strategy for this one game? Well it is possible but any such change is likely to allow Chelsea to crank up the pressure and create more goal scoring opportunities than they would have otherwise had. Van Gaal has been rigorously trying to implement his ‘philosophy’ these past couple of months and so any sudden change in direction is likely to be uncomfortable for his players. People talk about the tactical battle between the managers heading into this game but logic would suggest Van Gaal will be the one who has required the most thinking time as his team is still a work in progress. Chelsea are the more complete team with higher confidence, better game management, greater flexibility and stronger resilience. What are the risks to this selection? A Manchester Utd victory is not beyond the realm of possibility as they do have plenty of match winners in their side. Chelsea are yet to loose a game in the premier league this season and that could make the more superstitious mind a little uncomfortable (please note the demise of Arsene Wenger’s invincibles a decade ago). Despite the size and gravity of the contest we must look at things objectively and ultimately Chelsea appear well suited to exploit Manchester Utd’s various vulnerabilities. For me it’s an opportunity for Chelsea to continue their good run rather than a potential banana skin. Chelsea with full draw cover seems to be the natural selection here.