richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Just having a look at the supreme novices with view to early bets Past 11 years all winners had recorded a rpr of 143 plus ....that cuts the field of 40 to Any news 144 Appreciate it 152 Ballyadam 147 Blue lord 144 Bob bollinger 152 Champagne gold 144 For pleasure 144 Grumpy Charlie 145 Irascible 145 Metier 153 Soaring glory 146 Tge devils coachman 145 Third time lucky 145 14 ......not bad at all 12 of last 14 won last time .......leaves Appreciate it 152 Bob bollinger 152 Grumpy Charlie 145 Metier 153 Soaring glory 146 The devils coachman 145 I reckon the winner is almost certainly on this shortlist I dont want a hccapper they just aren't good enough so that leaves Appreciate it 152 Bob bollinger 152 Metier 153 The devils coachman 145 I'm almost certain the winner is one of these 4 .....I'll do more research before finalizing my bets Edit ....think I can safely drop the devilscoachman ....doesnt look like a supreme novice ... probably a 145 at best so hes scrubbed Appreciate it 152 Bob ollinger 152 Metier 153 Appreciate it fails on both age ...7 yo ....and course form ...all previous winners had no form or a chelt win if they had run there...he finished 2nd....that makes his 7/4 quote crap so ... I think hes worth taking on with big bets ew on the other 2 at 7/1 and 20/1!!!.....fav could still win but hes got to buck 2 serious trends that total 24 of the last 27 winners .....that's just too high ......the other 2 have equally good form so yes I'll play big and hope to get the festival off to a mega,start ....especially if the big one comes in Edit ....bob olinger trainer has stated he might go for the bsllymore ....but collateral form with appreciate it suggests he could beat him so hopefully hell see sense and take him on ...I would lol .....if he runs I'd make him a 4/1 shot so the 12/1 nrnb is a shot to nothing .....I'll take 20pts ew ......also I'll take metier nrnb 20pts ew Edited February 28, 2021 by richard-westwood Villa Chris and MCLARKE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Can see Bob Olinger going to the Ballymore but that looks a harder race to win so he’d be better off coming here. If Ferny Hollow wouldn’t have got injured he’d be favourite for this and Appreciate It would be running in the Ballymore and possibly favourite for that. If Bob Olinger runs here I’ll certainly be having him as I think he’d be a genuine threat. Appreciate does have a couple of trends to overcome but I just think his form is head and shoulders above anything else by other horses(excluding Bob Olinger) . Don’t blame people for taking him on but luckily I’ve got him covered for a nice return if he wins. Edited February 28, 2021 by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Can see Bob Olinger going to the Ballymore but that looks a harder race to win so he’d be better off coming here. If Ferny Hollow wouldn’t have got injured he’d be favourite for this and Appreciate It would be running in the Ballymore and possibly favourite for that. If Bob Olinger runs here I’ll certainly be having him as I think he’d be a genuine threat. Appreciate does have a couple of trends to overcome but I just think his form is head and shoulders above anything else by other horses(excluding Bob Olinger) . Don’t blame people for taking him on but luckily I’ve got him covered for a nice return if he wins. I've really had a good look through the form .....metier beat shakemup harry by 12 lengths in the tolworth ....could have been 15 if wanted ....that equates to around 25 lbs so if you check other horses behind it all suggests hes potentially a 164 rpr horse.....that's almost champion hurdle level ....so I think hes more than capable of taking appreciate it on .....and the trends fit him better than appreciate it .....its metier for me Appreciate it beat ballyadam a rpr 147 ...by 3.5 lengths ....suggesting hes around the 156 mark .....I think metier has the beating of him Couple that with the fact in 3 races metier has destroyed his opposition by over 30 lengths in total ...on the bit ....all suggests he could be something special .....I think hes a future champion hurdle winner ...maybe even next years ....what an exciting first race !!! Edited February 28, 2021 by richard-westwood Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: I've really had a good look through the form .....metier beat shakemup harry by 12 lengths in the tolworth ....could have been 15 if wanted ....that equates to around 25 lbs so if you check other horses behind it all suggests hes potentially a 164 rpr horse.....that's almost champion hurdle level ....so I think hes more than capable of taking appreciate it on .....and the trends fit him better than appreciate it .....its metier for me Appreciate it beat ballyadam a rpr 147 ...by 3.5 lengths ....suggesting hes around the 156 mark .....I think metier has the beating of him Couple that with the fact in 3 races metier has destroyed his opposition by over 30 lengths in total ...on the bit ....all suggests he could be something special .....I think hes a future champion hurdle winner ...maybe even next years ....what an exciting first race !!! Nice analysis there . I’ve watched his races back and he’s destroyed his opponents, jumps well, is quick etc. Harry Fry has said he goes best on testing ground, so we’ll see what it is at the festival. The Tolworth in which he won lto is generally a weak race for supreme winners . This years tolworth was very weak but granted he won well. Shakem Up Arry got beaten 12 lengths last weekend which also put me off Metier . I’m also put off by the yard, as Harry Fry isn’t a name you associate with supreme winners. Negatives for me are.... Yard Form Possibly ground on the day I’m being a bit biased towards the Irish this year because overall there seems to be a lack of quality especially here in England, but I won’t deny Metier is playing on my mind as he’s a bit of an unknown, where as Appreciate It has already beaten a lot of the horses that will be lining up in the supreme . Edited February 28, 2021 by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Nice analysis there . I’ve watched his races back and he’s destroyed his opponents, jumps well, is quick etc. Harry Fry has said he goes best on testing ground, so we’ll see what it is at the festival. The Tolworth in which he won lto is generally a weak race for supreme winners . This years tolworth was very weak but granted he won well. Shakem Up Arry got well beaten last weekend which also put me off Metier . I’m also put off by the yard, as Harry Fry isn’t a name you associate with supreme winners. Negatives for me are.... Yard Form Possibly ground on the day I’m being a bit biased towards the Irish this year because overall there seems to be a lack of quality especially here in England, but I won’t deny Metier is playing on my mind as he’s a bit of an unknown, where as Appreciate It has already beaten a lot of the horses that will be lining up in the supreme . Yes .....sometimes it's crazy to oppose Mullins in the first race .....but for me ...the favs have a terrible record in the supreme.....at 7y.o hes outside a huge weight trend ....I really think its neck and neck and timeform seem to back that up .....its going to come down to jumping on the day ....but at the odds its metier for me any day of the week ......really looking forward to this race now The age stat ....I think only 1 of last 13 have been 7 or older ....that's not good ....but then he could be number 2 ? Edited February 28, 2021 by richard-westwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Always nice to get the winner in the supreme. Kicks off the festival for you. Sky are doing cash back on the supreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Always nice to get the winner in the supreme. Kicks off the festival for you. Sky are doing cash back on the supreme. I'm thinking that's 1 race down ...only 27 to go now !!..??? Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: I'm thinking that's 1 race down ...only 27 to go now !!..??? By the end of Cheltenham I’m usually drained whether I’m up or down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Metier has beat.... 136 rated by 12 lengths (7 runners) 129 rated by 5 and half lengths( 6 runners) 123 rated by 10 lengths (13 runners) Appreciate It has beat .... 145 rated by 3 and half lengths (13 runners) 143 rated by 2 and half lengths (14 runners) 139 rated by 9 lengths (9 runners) Not basing this as an argument for Appreciate It. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 On 2/24/2021 at 10:29 AM, calva decoy said: Yep , I do . A heart over head bet . The Mullins horse looks a good thing but no value at odds on whereas bet365 are 8/1 second favourite with Politilogue who's been good this season after wind op third at 10's & as you say , replicate Sprinter Sacre performance who not many gave a chance & bow out on the top , just a shame only a few hundred & not 65k there to witness . Was pondering Altior last night as i looked thru the races and yes he is a good price, now here's the thing, what logic applies to altior also applies to bouver d'air so a small stakes double would be a good play one of those things that after the event you say to yourself ffs i should have had a couple of quid on that double. 6/1 25/1 ==182/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Villa Chris said: Metier has beat.... 136 rated by 12 lengths (7 runners) 129 rated by 5 and half lengths( 6 runners) 123 rated by 10 lengths (13 runners) Appreciate It has beat .... 145 rated by 3 and half lengths (13 runners) 143 rated by 2 and half lengths (14 runners) 139 rated by 9 lengths (9 runners) Not basing this as an argument for Appreciate It. Lol ....145 plus 7lb is 152 136 plus,24lb is 160 .... Thanks for clearing that up ??? Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Lol ....145 plus 7lb is 152 136 plus,24lb is 160 .... Thanks for clearing that up ??? I think my anti English prejudice is getting in the way of backing Metier ? I’m in a decent position with the favourite but my main worry is Metier purely because I’m not sure how good he is . If he’s as good as he looks and what the stats say then yes massive danger. Part of me thinks he’s not that good though, certainly not good enough to win the supreme anyway. I’ve tried comparing his form to that of Fiddlerontheroof which won the Tolworth before Metier and many fancied, but flopped. I think Metier is better than him, I’ll say that much. Edited February 28, 2021 by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: I think my anti English prejudice is getting in the way of backing Metier ? I’m in a decent position with the favourite but my main worry is Metier purely because I’m not sure how good he is . If he’s as good as he looks and what the stats say then yes massive danger. Part of me thinks he’s not that good though, certainly not good enough to win the supreme anyway. I’ve tried comparing his form to that of Fiddlerontheroof which won the Tolworth before Metier and many fancied, but flopped. I think Metier is better than him, I’ll say that much. I'm certain now as things stand one of the two will win ....I cant see anything else other than devilscoachman(watch the betting) that woujd have a squeak .....my biggest negative is lack of prep run ....nearly all winners ran within 58 days ...hes only just over on 60 61 ....so I dont see that as too much of a diff so I gave him a pass on that Anyway 20pts ew on metier will pay 1.4 /1 for finishing top 3 .....that's 8pts profit overall just for placing .....168 pts if he wins .....I'm happy with that bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: I'm certain now as things stand one of the two will win ....I cant see anything else other than devilscoachman(watch the betting) that woujd have a squeak .....my biggest negative is lack of prep run ....nearly all winners ran within 58 days ...hes only just over on 60 61 ....so I dont see that as too much of a diff so I gave him a pass on that Anyway 20pts ew on metier will pay 1.4 /1 for finishing top 3 .....that's 8pts profit overall just for placing .....168 pts if he wins .....I'm happy with that bet Definitely see the value bet there . Can see Ballyadam running his best race yet if it’s G/S but whether it’s enough I don’t know. If it’s genuine soft ground I’ll end up covering up with Metier no doubt . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Champion hurdle bet 2 14 of last 15 were within 8lb of top rpr Leaves Goshen Sharjah Silver streak Epatante Honeysuckle Sharjah form isnt good enough I think ......so omit ....goshen although fancied didnt run at grade1 track lto 15/15 and poor at chelt....I think he prefers right handed ....so happy to scrub .....this goes to a up and coming improving lightly races type so silver streak 25 runs is way out so scrub that too ...I know he beat epatante but hes lightly races and we all know hes better than that and a reversal at chelt wouldn't be a shock ....that leaves .... Epatante Honeysuckle Personally I dont think epatante has shown their hand yet and is very capable of running a champion hurdle winning performance at chelt with good course form .....safest bet as I initially said is dutch the 2 Honeysuckle 20ptsxwin 3/1 Epatante 20pts win 7/2 Outlay 40 ...minimum return 80 (+40pts ).....I'm happy with that bet Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 The two mares will be hard to beat, especially with their allowance. I think Epatante is prone to the odd no show, so I’d be happy to go with Honeysuckle on this who has a perfect record and always runs to her true ability . Will need to cover both though . Abracadabras ew outsider . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanV89 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Champion hurdle bet 2 14 of last 15 were within 8lb of top rpr Leaves Goshen Sharjah Silver streak Epatante Honeysuckle Sharjah form isnt good enough I think ......so omit ....goshen although fancied didnt run at grade1 track lto 15/15 and poor at chelt....I think he prefers right handed ....so happy to scrub .....this goes to a up and coming improving lightly races type so silver streak 25 runs is way out so scrub that too ...I know he beat epatante but hes lightly races and we all know hes better than that and a reversal at chelt wouldn't be a shock ....that leaves .... Epatante Honeysuckle Personally I dont think epatante has shown their hand yet and is very capable of running a champion hurdle winning performance at chelt with good course form .....safest bet as I initially said is dutch the 2 Honeysuckle 20ptsxwin 3/1 Epatante 20pts win 7/2 Outlay 40 ...minimum return 80 (+40pts ).....I'm happy with that bet Not sure we can say with confidence that Goshen doesn’t like Cheltenham. But for that freak accident at the festival last year he’d have won the Triumph by 10 lengths. Zilzalian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) It’s unlikely both of the mares won’t run to their mark, so it looks unlikely they will get beat with receiving 7Ibs. One may run below their rating(Epatante maybe?) but then you’ve got Honeysuckle. For how good Goshen looked last year and lto, he’s not good enough to give the mares 7Ibs on a going day for them. Personally think it should be knocked down in Grade 1 races to 3Ibs . Edited February 28, 2021 by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DanV89 said: Not sure we can say with confidence that Goshen doesn’t like Cheltenham. But for that freak accident at the festival last year he’d have won the Triumph by 10 lengths. It's TRUE he might turn up and run a big race ....but his 2 runs there have yielded 10th and unsaddled ....not really inspiring....so personally I'll be surprised if he gets round .....and at age 5 he is a little immature for my liking ....that may well be the problem ....even so ....is he 7lb better than honeysuckle and a fully fledged epatante ....I'd be very surprised if he was but its Cheltenham lol Like I said I think its epatante year .....shes only had 5 or 6 races so is a baby but when shes ran really well at chelt and I think the course suits ......this tends to go to that type ....a lightly raced improver ....I think shes a lot better than shes shown yet https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/henderson-has-epatante-in-champion-form-with-back-issues-remedied/475118 Edited February 28, 2021 by richard-westwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 6 hours ago, DanV89 said: Not sure we can say with confidence that Goshen doesn’t like Cheltenham. But for that freak accident at the festival last year he’d have won the Triumph by 10 lengths. Personally even though i wont be backing goshen for those that back shortish prices i think to dismiss goshen is a very grave error, if it was trained by Mullins or Henderson it would be odds on. richard-westwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 On 2/28/2021 at 2:59 PM, richard-westwood said: I've really had a good look through the form .....metier beat shakemup harry by 12 lengths in the tolworth ....could have been 15 if wanted ....that equates to around 25 lbs so if you check other horses behind it all suggests hes potentially a 164 rpr horse.....that's almost champion hurdle level ....so I think hes more than capable of taking appreciate it on .....and the trends fit him better than appreciate it .....its metier for me Appreciate it beat ballyadam a rpr 147 ...by 3.5 lengths ....suggesting hes around the 156 mark .....I think metier has the beating of him Couple that with the fact in 3 races metier has destroyed his opposition by over 30 lengths in total ...on the bit ....all suggests he could be something special .....I think hes a future champion hurdle winner ...maybe even next years ....what an exciting first race !!! Genuine question for you Richard, I am not trying to be a clever dick...... I always used the 'Rule of Thumb' theory that over jumps 1 length= 1 pound........ there are obviously other factors to take into consideration, but on your calculations I see 1.5-2lb per length? In the Appreciate it example above 3.5l=9lb which is 2.5lb/length. Have I been miscalculating all these years?? To be honest, although I do take into account figures, I do base my gambling decisions on the 'eye test', but it would be interesting to know If my pounds v lengths understanding has been skewed all these years!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: Genuine question for you Richard, I am not trying to be a clever dick...... I always used the 'Rule of Thumb' theory that over jumps 1 length= 1 pound........ there are obviously other factors to take into consideration, but on your calculations I see 1.5-2lb per length? In the Appreciate it example above 3.5l=9lb which is 2.5lb/length. Have I been miscalculating all these years?? To be honest, although I do take into account figures, I do base my gambling decisions on the 'eye test', but it would be interesting to know If my pounds v lengths understanding has been skewed all these years!!! Well all I can say is I've always used 1 length is 2lb .....i suppose it's down to the individual but I've always found it's worked for me ...I have heard of people using 1lb per length but when I've done calculations using 2lb the races have come out perfect so I stick to that ......on the flat its 2lb too apart from 6f which is 2.8lb ....and 5f which is 3.6lb as more weight is needed to effect dist covered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: Well all I can say is I've always used 1 length is 2lb .....i suppose it's down to the individual but I've always found it's worked for me ...I have heard of people using 1lb per length but when I've done calculations using 2lb the races have come out perfect so I stick to that ......on the flat its 2lb too apart from 6f which is 2.8lb ....and 5f which is 3.6lb as more weight is needed to effect dist covered Fair play. I guess everybody has their own ways...there is nothing which is 100%. As long as we get enjoyment and hopefully make a little bit along the way, alls good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, Wanderlust said: Fair play. I guess everybody has their own ways...there is nothing which is 100%. As long as we get enjoyment and hopefully make a little bit along the way, alls good! I think what it was ...I did some research into time and distance behind in two milexraces and it was averaging 1.6 lbs per length sometimes more ....maybe a touch less for the very best races ....but 1.6 is nearest 2 so I use that .. maybe I should drop to 1 for the longer dist races .....its probably somewhere in between ....but I might try 1 in some races and see how that fairs ....I'm always open minded lol Wanderlust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: Fair play. I guess everybody has their own ways...there is nothing which is 100%. As long as we get enjoyment and hopefully make a little bit along the way, alls good! I've had this exact conversation over a few beers with my mates and its always highly debated lol ......I mean take the champion hurdle ....the mares get 7lb ....so does that really mean they get a 7 length head start ??...really??....or is closer to 3.5 to 4 lengths ( approx 2lb ).....also the other argument that always rises ....can the equiv weight to half a bag of sugar (1lb) really stop a half ton horse 1 whole length....or does it take the whole bag of sugar ...lol ....this has been debated since the beginning of time lol ? Cos if honeysuckle has a 7 length head start then I need to get to the bank and withdraw my life savings .....? Edited March 3, 2021 by richard-westwood Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, richard-westwood said: I've had this exact conversation over a few beers with my mates and its always highly debated lol ......I mean take the champion hurdle ....the mares get 7lb ....so does that really mean they get a 7 length head start ??...really??....or is closer to 3.5 to 4 lengths ( approx 2lb ).....also the other argument that always rises ....can the equiv weight to half a bag of sugar (1lb) really stop a half ton horse 1 whole length....or does it take the whole bag of sugar ...lol ....this has been debated since the beginning of time lol ? Thats why I am not a Stats man. Because even if you CAN agree that for example 1L = 1LB ( to keep things simple), obviously that changes as the distance increases, but then other factors have to be considered, such as the ground, the class of horse, whether each horse gave its true running,, whether it was still full of running at the end etc etc etc. So many imponderables. I think stats are still important, but I trust my eyes more in judging what I see. Then the question is....is what you see reality? In other words was the horse trying? Was it fit? Was another horse not trying a couple of runs ago? And so it goes on and on....!! THats why we all love the game. AND why there is no such thing as a poor bookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: Thats why I am not a Stats man. Because even if you CAN agree that for example 1L = 1LB ( to keep things simple), obviously that changes as the distance increases, but then other factors have to be considered, such as the ground, the class of horse, whether each horse gave its true running,, whether it was still full of running at the end etc etc etc. So many imponderables. I think stats are still important, but I trust my eyes more in judging what I see. Then the question is....is what you see reality? In other words was the horse trying? Was it fit? Was another horse not trying a couple of runs ago? And so it goes on and on....!! THats why we all love the game. AND why there is no such thing as a poor bookie Never a truer word ......I personally think there is no way a fully fit 750lb horse who can run 3 mile with his eyes shut will be stopped 3lengths for a 3lb rise ,..just doesnt seem reality to me .....possibly in the grand national yes ...I can see that .....but I cant see adding 3.5 bags sugar to a saddle is now going to cost that horse 7 lengths !!!.... I just dont see it .....that's my own opinion anyway lol .... Edited March 3, 2021 by richard-westwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I’m not one for lengths, although I take note just out of interest . Too many things to take into account for my liking. Even for example a slight mistake at a fence/hurdle will make a horse lose ground. The logic is there I suppose if horse X beats horse Y by 4 lengths but horse Y is 10Ibs better off this time round, but even then you’ve still got to take into account conditions of race and even course . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 I love this debate on distance/length/weight debate (rhymes at least) so hope you don't mind my two penneth worth. "Confounding variables" far too many of them in this debate, think of all your picks and then think of the successfulness of your picks, usually you find a common denominator. but it is more important to try to find out why your pick got beat because you probably made a mistake and like they say if you keep doing the same thing over and over you get the same result. I do speed figures for 2 yo. if a horse got beat 1 length it gets minus 6 points, and -1 point per 1/4 length thereafter i wont go into reasons why 1 length = 6 and not 4 points but trust me it works, so beaten 1l = -6 points, 1 1/4l = -7, 1 1/2 = -8 2l would be -10 points and so on, (beyond 8l is pointless and just a waste of time) richard-westwood, Villa Chris and MCLARKE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEE-GRAYS Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 all can say is not so sleepy get on 50/1 champion hurdle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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