GaF Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Maybe there is another issue here. Maybe I am a crap poker player. Or more likely - you're a decent player who hasnt yet adjusted his gameplay for the new format you've experienced on Boss (no ante's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I am not saying this because I have had a bad run or because I am pissed off cus im not anymore its just poker but just lately I have become a losing player. It maybe is time to accept that that is the norm for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I haven't noticed that kind of blatant cheating on the €50 tables, but I don't know if that's because: (a) I'm not observant enough. (b) The players are more honest. © The player pool is a lot smaller, so if you blatantly cheat then you're going to keep meeting the players you've cheated. (d) The dishonest players are more skilled at colluding and can do it without being so blatant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I confess I've started doing that. Yes it is wrong - but if others are doing it and the network is doing nothing to clamp down on it (as they appear not to be) then you have to do it or lose equity to those who are doing it - I think getting others to fold to your aces is a big help when the blinds are big. I believe this tactic makes a big difference. I've noticed an increase in people lately saying what they have, then blatently not having it - so maybe that will decrease the effectiveness of it (though when I "declare" I always show) In a week when several PLers have claimed that they'd murder a complete stranger for a million quid, I'm not going to get moralistic about announcing your cards in a poker game. :tongue2 But if you announce your hand when you shove with a monster, what do you do when you shove without a monster? Ethics aside, I suspect it's much less profitable long-term if you're going to play the same people a lot in the future. Which may explain why it's mostly died out on the €50 tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I will typically only "announce" my cards when I've got AA, blinds are high and I'm mid stacked (but not safe) - I say something like "AA and I'll show". I say I do it - I've done it maybe a couple of times - so it's not huge .... but it "boiled over" for me when I didn't do it a few times and my aces were outdrawn and I lost, but others were doing it, to my expense when I went out after they took hands down uncontested - I figured that it was hitting my ROI - if the Netwrok wont deal with it, then my assumption is that it's "acceptable" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I reported blatant chip dumping 9 days ago, and got this response 2 days ago (I had forgotten my email it took so long Blatant Chip Dumping in Cooler Dear peter, Thank you for your email regarding this issue. Our fraud and security department have investigated this issue, and appropriate actions have been taken. If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate in contacting us Who knows what the appropriate actions were :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Also, I cashed comfortably, so my position was not a factor in my reporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Playing a level 4 Rounders on Prima/Microgaming at the moment, in case anybody's interested. Just started the 50/100 blind level and I'm 4th of 9 remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Good luck slap :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Good luck slap :ok Ta. I'll be disappointed if I don't cash. Only two other regulars, one of whom is a certified nutter. (Unfortunately the other one is immediately to my left.) The others don't really seem to understand the game: I honestly think the standard in this $275 game may be worse than an average €3 Boss cooler! I'm bound to lose now I've written that! :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy :lol :lol :lol Certainly looking a stroll in the park :ok 6 left and you've 2 stacks shorter than you. But that big big stack just after you may be a problem if it goes that far.... :loon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy :lol :lol :lol Certainly looking a stroll in the park :ok 6 left and you've 2 stacks shorter than you. But that big big stack just after you may be a problem if it goes that far.... :loon If I don't cash, I'll be kicking myself: just folded aces in the SB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Easy peasy - well done :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Easy peasy - well done :ok Thanks. It's not usually that easy: normally there are 6 or 7 regulars who know what they're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Well done Slap :clap You ready for a Step 5 yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Well done Slap :clap You ready for a Step 5 yet? Actually, ... yes! :D My "system" on these is that I play Step 4's to build my bank of tokens and play a Step 5 when I'll have enough tokens left to play a given number of Step 4's. And I increase the number by one each time. So last time I played a Step 5 I left myself 6 buy-ins to Step 4, this time I need to leave myself 7 buy-ins. And I've just got enough! :nana It's been a while since my last Step 5, as my "bank" dropped down to 3 Level 4 buy-ins at one point. The slightly frustrating thing about these is that there's very little activity at Levels 4 and 5, so you can be waiting for days to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Did I play this right. ***** Hand 1322074140 ***** 15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:38:02 PM Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: -lila- (1500.00) Seat 2: schoky (1470.00) Seat 3: Rubenstxx (1470.00) Seat 4: staffydog (1500.00) Seat 5: omiel (1500.00) Seat 6: jangundi2 (1500.00) Seat 7: BOURNE7788 (1500.00) Seat 8: robertbag (1590.00) Seat 9: prote (1500.00) Seat 10: srangarsa (1470.00) Rubenstxx post SB 15.00 staffydog post BB 30.00 ** Deal ** -lila- [N/A, N/A] schoky [N/A, N/A] Rubenstxx [N/A, N/A] staffydog [5h, 4s] omiel [N/A, N/A] jangundi2 [N/A, N/A] BOURNE7788 [N/A, N/A] robertbag [N/A, N/A] prote [N/A, N/A] srangarsa [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** omiel Fold jangundi2 Fold BOURNE7788 Fold robertbag Fold prote Fold srangarsa Call 30.00 -lila- Fold schoky Fold Rubenstxx Fold staffydog Check *** Flop(Board): *** : [4d, 7d, 4c] *** Bet Round 2 *** staffydog Check srangarsa Check *** Turn(Board): *** : [4d, 7d, 4c, 4h] *** Bet Round 3 *** staffydog Check srangarsa Check *** River(Board): *** : [4d, 7d, 4c, 4h, 10c] *** Bet Round 4 *** staffydog Check srangarsa Bet 75.00 staffydog All-in 1470.00 srangarsa All-in 1440.00 *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 2955.00 -lila- Fold Win: 0.00 schoky Fold Win: 0.00 Rubenstxx Fold Win: 0.00 staffydog [5h, 4s] Four of a kind, fours Win: 2955.00 omiel Fold Win: 0.00 jangundi2 Fold Win: 0.00 BOURNE7788 Fold Win: 0.00 robertbag Fold Win: 0.00 prote Fold Win: 0.00 srangarsa [6h, 10d] Full house Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpegasus Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy You played it well - serves him right for playing 10,6 off suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Well ... it worked! The only question is how much you should raise on the river, and I think you might as well go for the max, as you did. If he's folding to an all-in, he's probably folding to any significant raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie14 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy You played it well - serves him right for playing 10' date='6 off suit.[/quote'] Why would anyone limp into a pot from one before the cut-off with 10 6 o/s....:loon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I prefer a bet on the turn to start building a pot - but he'd have folded to me, wouldnt have hit and you wouldnt have got paid off on the river - so you made more than I would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Well ... it worked! The only question is how much you should raise on the river, and I think you might as well go for the max, as you did. If he's folding to an all-in, he's probably folding to any significant raise. Actually, maybe you should make a small bet on the river? There are plenty of hands he could have where he'll check it down if given the chance but might pay a little if he thinks you're just trying to pick up an unwanted pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy I guessed he would have folded to any bet so thought stuff it go all in. Was hoping he had hit his 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Just finished an amazing game, at the bubble we had four players with less than 2 x BB and two massive stacks. Two players cashed with about 100 chips each. I cashed at the end with 450 chips and was in third place Will try and dig out some key hands later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy This was a very easy fold wan't it ? Last hand I'd doubled through on Tom Bingley with QQ. I'm now chip leader, I can't see why he'd call me regardless of hand, but people do strange things. Anyone playing this hand ? Table '120834633 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: vladivostok1 (1560 in chips) Seat 5: JasonBo (2990 in chips) Seat 7: asjohnstone (3515 in chips) Seat 8: zherdev2000 (2090 in chips) Seat 9: Pseudorabies (1505 in chips) Seat 10: TomBingley (3340 in chips) vladivostok1: posts the ante 25 JasonBo: posts the ante 25 asjohnstone: posts the ante 25 zherdev2000: posts the ante 25 Pseudorabies: posts the ante 25 TomBingley: posts the ante 25 Pseudorabies: posts small blind 125 TomBingley: posts big blind 250 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [As Ah] vladivostok1: folds JasonBo: folds asjohnstone: folds zherdev2000: folds Pseudorabies: folds Uncalled bet (125) returned to TomBingley TomBingley collected 400 from pot TomBingley: doesn't show hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Good decision imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Here's a perfect example of where you SHOULD fold a big hand pre-flop!!! This was the bubble in a (my first, just to see what the standard was like) €50 Cooler on Boss. ***** Hand 1323862998 ***** 200.00/400.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 16 November 2008 21:11:31 Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 2: Peterone (9292.00) Seat 4: sycco13 (600.00) Seat 6: plSamba (1600.00) Seat 7: kisrozi901 (675.00) Seat 8: XaviDG (1246.00) Seat 9: pirahn (1587.00) - sitting comfy(ish) in 3rd sycco13 post SB 200.00 plSamba post BB 400.00 ** Deal ** Peterone [N/A, N/A] sycco13 [N/A, N/A] plSamba [:Qc:, :Jc:] kisrozi901 [N/A, N/A] XaviDG [N/A, N/A] pirahn [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** kisrozi901 Fold XaviDG Fold pirahn All-in 1587.00 Peterone Call 1587.00 - has been using his big stack and min raising every hand in which he can open raise, to folds all round sycco13 Fold plSamba Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [:7d:, :6h:, :4d:] *** Turn(Board): *** : [:7d:, :6h:, :4d:, :7s:] *** River(Board): *** : [:7d:, :6h:, :4d:, :7s:, :5c:] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3774.00 Peterone [:Ts:, :7c:] Three of a kind, sevens Win: 3774.00 sycco13 Fold Win: 0.00 plSamba Fold Win: 0.00 kisrozi901 Fold Win: 0.00 XaviDG Fold Win: 0.00 pirahn [:Ad:, :Kd:] Pair of sevens Win: 0.00 kisrozi901 was to go through the blinds [400/200] in the next 2 hands and had a stack of 675!!! Crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy Utterly dreadful with two short stacks at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samba_SamPa Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy He deserved the :Td: on the river!! :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldric Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Re: Coolers - lets discuss strategy A simlilar hand history and really, REALLY poor play from my last game tonight: ***** Hand 1323964529 ***** 300.00/600.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 16 November 2008 21:53:31 Cooler (Real /Tournament ) Seat 1: oulu123 (4219.00) Seat 2: cisco8 (1757.00) Seat 5: PL-Aldric (1820.00) Seat 3: Unknown (0.00) Seat 4: KickAcees (5684.00) Seat 6: spikken (990.00) Seat 7: imlennon (530.00) Seat 8: Unknown (0.00) Seat 9: Unknown (0.00) Seat 10: Unknown (0.00) cisco8 post SB 300.00 KickAcees post BB 600.00 ** Deal ** oulu123 [N/A, N/A] cisco8 [N/A, N/A] PL-Aldric [2c, Jd] KickAcees [N/A, N/A] spikken [N/A, N/A] imlennon [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** PL-Aldric Fold spikken Fold imlennon Fold oulu123 Fold cisco8 All-in 1757.00 KickAcees Call 1757.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [7s, 8h, Ac] *** Turn(Board): *** : [7s, 8h, Ac, 3s] *** River(Board): *** : [7s, 8h, Ac, 3s, Qs] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3514.00 oulu123 Fold Win: 0.00 cisco8 [5c, As] Pair of aces Win: 1757.00 PL-Aldric Fold Win: 0.00 KickAcees [Ad, 4d] Pair of aces Win: 1757.00 spikken Fold Win: 0.00 imlennon Fold Win: 0.00 Why on earth did he get involved with the 2 short stacks about to be swallowed by the 300 / 600 blinds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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