azzybear Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago dilawar 12.40 france Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago # Horse Odds Rating Val 1 Silky Wilkie (IRE) 6 105.77 88.75 2 Ferrous (IRE) 9 103.07 70.79 3 Radio Goo Goo 9 102.72 62.86 4 Manila Scouse 21 101.93 104.06 5 Dapper Valley (IRE) 21 101.61 86.56 6 Dare To Hope (IRE) 13 100.74 24.67 7 Rage Of Bamby (IRE) 17 100.52 22.71 8 Trefor (IRE) 5 100.14 1.82 9 Korker (IRE) 15 99.60 Â 10 Badri 13 98.09 Â 11 International Girl (IRE) 26 98.04 Â 12 Rock Opera 23 97.75 Â 13 Bergerac (IRE) 17 96.83 Â 14 Brazen Bolt 36 93.19 Â Bit of a "hmmm" reaction to this one. Nothing that clear on rating, top 8 fairly closely bunched. Not a lot of value either, just on the numbers. Manilla Scouse and Dapper Valley appeal as best value e/w plays though you'll struggle to get the 5th place at close to best price. I might try and refine the calculation for the value number as it feels to me that it's overstating the gap between the two 20/1 shots and I'm not sure the top rated merits quite such a high value number at 5/1. Might be just a case of the race being so close that it's skewed the numbers a bit but I'll give it some thought. richard-westwood and MCLARKE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) Edited 6 hours ago by The Equaliser explai black rabbit and richard-westwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equaliser Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, The Equaliser said: Difficulties copy/paste from Bet365. Anyway, my attempt at the ratings races. Tales of The Heart smashed into . win bet only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCLARKE Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago AW selection Newcastle 2.00 THE GLEN ROVERS The Equaliser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzybear Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Sunway 3.40 The Equaliser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago My first take of the races so far is that we didn't do too bad a job at Ascot but for York I'm not sure if they ran the race or just drew the finishing order out of a hat at random! Props to Zil and Topspeed who both had the winner in their top 3. It was bottom rated by the other 2 which just goes to show you don't always get a consensus. Let's hope Luxembourg can land the odds in the last one. I added Sunway 22/1 and Dubai Honour 30/1 (both e/w) based on today's prices moving the value numbers around a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago That last race was ridiculous. Â For a moment I thought it was ran over a 4 mile slog . Zilzalian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Total waste of 150,000+ quid in that 4 runner race at York, Surely they can use that money better, the betting told you Passenger wasn't going to win. Talk about bringing racing into disrepute FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Zilzalian said: Total waste of 150,000+ quid in that 4 runner race at York, Surely they can use that money better, the betting told you Passenger wasn't going to win. Talk about bringing racing into disrepute FFS. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a flat race start off so slow. Makes a mockery of the money and Group 2 status . Zilzalian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: Don’t think I’ve ever seen a flat race start off so slow. Makes a mockery of the money and Group 2 status . Well its everything that's wrong with English racing. Good prize money, a group 2, 4 runners producing a non race. blah blah blah. 4 jockeys that need "interviewing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Zilzalian said: Well its everything that's wrong with English racing. Good prize money, a group 2, 4 runners producing a non race. blah blah blah. 4 jockeys that need "interviewing" Yep learned nothing from that race apart from the fact it suited the only horse that had won over 6f so the sprint finish suited him. Zilzalian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Didn’t expect that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Now there is a head scratcher if there ever was one. the only thing that surprised me was why wasn't it 100/1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago Well ......typically super competitive day ....some horses just didn't fire or started crap on day .....but learnt a lot .......top 4 rated in all 5 races gave Top 4 rated has given 1st 3rd 1st 2nd 2nd 1st  22/1 5th 2nd .... My best friend had 3pts wins on all top 3 ...his argument was you get best form horse and most likely the best value horse ......his outlay was 45 and has returned 91 so a profit of 46 PTS on the day ......so that might be a bet to follow as time goes on ...... BBBC and LeMale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fd1972uk Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Well that turned out pretty poor, lol  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago First time on fast ground that Goliath and looking at that race time I would never back against it in future races on that ground so if they go the breeders cup route and Meydan there may be good money to make because that was no fluke it was just too quick for them, they all didn't underperform that's for sure and that lot are pretty much the best we have got to be honest. Going to stick my neck out here and say the only thing i can see getting near it on that ground is wait for it........Passenger (at its best) Villa Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Zilzalian said: First time on fast ground that Goliath and looking at that race time I would never back against it in future races on that ground so if they go the breeders cup route and Meydan there may be good money to make because that was no fluke it was just too quick for them, they all didn't underperform that's for sure and that lot are pretty much the best we have got to be honest. Going to stick my neck out here and say the only thing i can see getting near it on that ground is wait for it........Passenger (at its best) It’s previous  race at Ascot was on Good/Firm where he finished a well beaten second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGC Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 425 nc Barleybrown 9/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Villa Chris said: It’s previous  race at Ascot was on Good/Firm where he finished a well beaten second. If you watch the hardwick race again i suspect you might change your mind a tad, keep your eye on goliath "thru the race" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGC Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 435 y Brasil Power 22s ew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMale Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Zilzalian said: First time on fast ground that Goliath and looking at that race time I would never back against it in future races on that ground so if they go the breeders cup route and Meydan there may be good money to make because that was no fluke it was just too quick for them, they all didn't underperform that's for sure and that lot are pretty much the best we have got to be honest. Going to stick my neck out here and say the only thing i can see getting near it on that ground is wait for it........Passenger (at its best) It ran on g/f lto and came 2nd behind Isle Of Jura which i had backed for this race ante post at 66-1 and was gutted it was pulled out, so based on that, i went for it. MinellaWorksop, Zilzalian, The Equaliser and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMale Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Just now, LeMale said: It ran on g/f lto and came 2nd behind Isle Of Jura which i had backed for this race ante post at 66-1 and was gutted it was pulled out, so based on that, i went for it. I must learn to scroll down, sorry it's already been mentioned by Villa Chris. Zilzalian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilzalian Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 34 minutes ago, LeMale said: I must learn to scroll down, sorry it's already been mentioned by Villa Chris. I must admit because i was dealing with so many races my mistake (although i couldn't rate it near top anyway) i certainly didn't look as close as i usually do and i just don't go off speed figures for selecting horses, in retrospect i could have given it a squeak based on the Jura race so lesson learned. in this race Goliath earned a speed figure of 146 which is now top if i was to rate the same horses in a mythical same race in future. i think i have only 1 horse higher on speed and that's Passenger. LeMale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 57 minutes ago Share Posted 57 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Zilzalian said: If you watch the hardwick race again i suspect you might change your mind a tad, keep your eye on goliath "thru the race" I’ll watch it shortly . You are possibly right as some of the going descriptions given out are not very accurate. Fine margins are everything in racing especially the flats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMale Posted 44 minutes ago Share Posted 44 minutes ago 30 minutes ago, Zilzalian said: I must admit because i was dealing with so many races my mistake (although i couldn't rate it near top anyway) i certainly didn't look as close as i usually do and i just don't go off speed figures for selecting horses, in retrospect i could have given it a squeak based on the Jura race so lesson learned. in this race Goliath earned a speed figure of 146 which is now top if i was to rate the same horses in a mythical same race in future. i think i have only 1 horse higher on speed and that's Passenger. You was the only one that had what should have been my nap today, Rage Of Bamby, and i got distracted by a bacon sarnie, thought i had already done it but i didn't. (was quite popular in the naps comp i believe) I spent a lot of time this morning looking through Ascot and York, don't know where the time went, before i knew it, i was behind and couldn't catch up and lost out on, what would have been, a decent L-15 and just ended up with 3 win singles, frustrating day all round really. The thing i have noticed with these speed figures is not to write off something i fancy, but, like what you said the other day, if my fancy matches all/some/most of you guys, just up the stake a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 38 minutes ago Share Posted 38 minutes ago 4 losing singles today -38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Chris Posted 32 minutes ago Share Posted 32 minutes ago (edited) https://www.racingtv.com/news/obrien-unhappy-with-ascot-ground-after-auguste-rodin-falters The commentators yesterday mentioned that the ground seemed to be softer than described and some horses weren’t travelling. When I did my ratings I rated it as Good ground not G/F . I used the going stick measurements on Turftrax . Edited 26 minutes ago by Villa Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGC Posted 30 minutes ago Share Posted 30 minutes ago (edited) 700 s All Ways Glamorous 16/1 ew Edited 30 minutes ago by MGC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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