Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

I don't think anyone with half a brain would' date=' but it was still a battle of the serves more than most matches.[/quote'] You wouldn't be saying the same thing about Beck if that match had taken place on a hardcourt - says a lot about Beck's serves...

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

Sounds good to me Dave, I've a little bit of that double as well, don't really know much about Tennis, but there seems to be a few in here that do. I noticed the following odds on Bet365

21 Jun 09:00

1.00

Andy Roddick

V

Jiri Vanek

17.00

more

They have Andy Roddick @ 1.00 to win. So risk your cash for no return. Shortest odds in the womans game is 1.01. Wierd

Wrong, that's basically an interpretation of something below 1.01. In other words, if you viewed the odds in fractions, you'd probably see something like 1/150 or 1/200(1.005) - basically, anything smaller than 1/100.

[Vilamoura04]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

Noticed that last night and also thought WTF?:( They are basically saying Roddick is a dead cert to win this but why are they pricing up the match at all?:(

Am I missing something - if Roddick is a dead cert how can his opponent only be priced at 16/1?

[rcgills]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

I noticed the following odds on Bet365

21 Jun 09:00

1.00

Andy Roddick

V

Jiri Vanek

17.00

more

They have Andy Roddick @ 1.00 to win. So risk your cash for no return. Shortest odds in the womans game is 1.01. Wierd

Roddick is 1/200 (so 1.005 in decimal odds, although they only seem to show two decimal places, hence it saying 1.00), you'll get a penny back for every £2 you stake, so strictly speaking it's not for no return, although it might as well be :( .

[stereoman]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Let me have a look! Which bookie is this price at?!

[Tulenos]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

the following odds on Bet365 Roddick is 1/200 (so 1.005 in decimal odds

Not a very fair price, though. As stated above, dead certs in women's tennis are 1/100 - not that anyone bets on them, but they are double the price.;)

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) On to Day 2 with a couple of quick previews from me... 20pts Murray-Karlovic-Soderling (2.62 @ Ladbrokes) :( Personally, I feel Murray's the best British hope at this year's Wimbledon and not the overrated 6th seed as many would have you believed. Nevertheless, as dave has mentioned earlier, Bastl simply isn't in any sort of form to trouble the Scotsman so long as he isn't plagued by injury. Karlovic has never been eliminated before the 3rd Round in his last 2 visits to Wimbledon and I can't see that changing - his titanic serves will be a challenge to most on the ATP tour and I can't see Bracciali having what it takes to counter that massive weapon. Andreev has come a long way since beating Agassi on grass at Queen's a year ago and he just can't seem to do anything right on this stuff at the moment - expect Soderling to batter him and nick this 3-0 or 3-1. 15pts Grosjean-Sanguinetti-Carlsen (3.53 @ Ladbrokes) :( Llodra may have made the final at Ordina last week, but he's up against a totally different proposition in Grosjean - expect the two-time semi-finalist at Wimbledon to prevail here simply because he has got better returns which will go a long way towards making a difference. Sanguinetti at 1.53 is absolute madness. Seppi is utter thrash on this surface and I'd have settled for a 1/4 show on Sanguinetti. For one, Sanguinetti has got a titanic serve which I can't see just how Seppi will be able to cope and add that to Seppi's inaptitude, there's only going to be 1 winner. Similarly, Carlsen at 1.83 baffles me big time as well. No disrespect to Hanescu, but he simply hasn't got a game for this stuff and it'd be an achievement if he could just take a set off the Dane, nevermind the match. 15pts Mirnyi-Nalbandian-Djokovic (2.14 @ Ladbrokes) :D Mirnyi has shown what a superb grasscourt player he can be when he's in the mood as he was over the last fortnight - I said before the start of this year's grasscourt season the Mirnyi we're seeing this year is a much better prepared one than the one we'd seen over the last few years and he hasn't looked any different from what I'd expected. I expect him to take out Schuettler without too many problems as Mirnyi's simply one of those who can blast his opponent off court with his aces - something which Schuettler will have no answer to, not to mention he doesn't have too much up his sleeve to trouble Mirnyi on his own serves either. I know Nalbandian isn't in the form of his life this year, but this is afterall a guy who has made 4th Round and Final appearances on his last 2 visits to SW 19 - quite simply, he should have too much for Sluiter who is pretty useless anyway. Lastly, Djokovic will be as good a banker you could find as any for the day not so much because he's brilliant on this stuff, but more a case of Juan Monaco being inept on grass. Monaco simply doesn't have a game for grass at all and I can't imagine him doing much damage to Djokovic at all. 15pts Karanusic-Popp (2.70 @ Ladbrokes) :( Popp should see off Haehnel easily as the Frenchman prefers a game on a much slower surface. He simply isn't of much use on grass and add that to Popp's big serves, it's not hard to see who has got the edge in this one. Karanusic is once again overpriced just because his opponent happens to be a certain Andrei Pavel. I'm starting to believe the sportsbooks have got a fetish for Pavel because I simply wouldn't know how else you could explain the prices available for this useless cnut who's eternally overrated - if this was priced up on ability alone, Karanusic will probably be a 1/2 shot and not a 11/10 one. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a genius to figure the Romanian sucks on this surface and he hasn't got a hope in hell of getting anything here. Lastly, a couple of underdogs whom I think are just way overpriced and definitely worth a shot. 10pts Lu to beat Clement (3.35 @ Ladbrokes) :D Yen-Hsun Lu is obviously a name not many are familiar with as he hasn't got a game for any surface bar grass. These 2 couldn't have a more contrasting style : Lu has got a decent serve with good movement on grass, while Clement looks to fare better on slower surfaces like the hardcourts and clay which gives him time to get his game going. While Lu's still no world beater on grass, I must stress this Taiwanese upstart has got more than a game for Arnaurd Clement who hasn't exactly adept on grass. Basically a 50-50 shot in my book. 10pts Ginepri to beat Stepanek (4.20 @ Betfair) :( Stepanek is by no means a shoo-in here. I thought Ginepri has done reasonably well in the run up to Wimbledon, especially at Queen's where he took a set off Henman and ran him close before losing the third. I have no doubts Stepanek doesn't really fancy this surface as much as the others as the quicker bounce on grass simply mean he doesn't have as much time to execute his perfect game plan of suffocating his opponents as he would on other surfaces. I'd rate Ginepri as having at least a 40% chance of winning this one. 5pts Spadea to beat Nadal (4.50 @ Ladbrokes) :( If Nadal's going to play Wimbledon the way he did at Roland Garros, he'd pack his bags by the end of the first week. Looking at how he played Waske at Halle though, I can't see Nadal going too far and I must admit I find Nadal and Henman to be amongst the most overrated frontrunners for the tournament. Spadea made the 4th Round here last year and he's a veteran who always seems to just come good when the Slams come along. This match will be much closer than the odds will have you believed IMO. Cheers & Good Luck! Starting Bank : 100.00pts Current Bank : 106.80pts Profit/Loss : 6.80pts

[Punto83]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Any idea why on Will Hill I can't place a bet on karlovic? I'm a small time punter (hardly any big bets, all £10/£20. Karlovic is 1.25, at first I was restricted to £0.25p, so i tried again then it was 8p and now nothing? I've had no restrictions in the past and have large limits on other matches?

[stereoman]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) LOL! I've got 0.00! I'm guessing someone's dumped a ton and William Hill ain't gonna take any more money on Karlovic.

[Punto83]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) LOL, it not just me then! Wish I'd have taken the 25p then ;)

[Punto83]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Can have £20 now, I've taken it lol

[Luddite71]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) KARLOVIC v BRACCIALI Lots being said about Karlovic on here and in other places. Just been looking at the ATP site and of the 70 sets Karlovic has played this season 31 have gone to a tie break. Ignoring clay the breakdown is as follows: Carpet: 6 sets played; 4 tie breaks Hard: 19 sets played; 8 tie breaks Grass: 25 sets played; 16 tie breaks Now this obviously suggests (as we all know) that Karlovic's serve takes some breaking, however it would also suggest that he doesnt break his opponent too often. The only time ive seen him this year was in the final of Queens versus Roddick (lost 7/6 7/6) and he really didnt look like breaking the Roddick serve. Okay, so thats no disgrace, but even when his own serve was returned it was clear that he was always struggling to win a point once a rally ensued. Now add all this to the fact that in their only meeting (on grass) Bracciali won 2 sets to 1 (all tie breaks), and you have an extremely tight match in prospect. Bet365 odds are Karlovic 2/9; Bracciali 3/1. In summary I would not touch Karlovic at those odds and for me this is either small stakes on Bracciali or no bet!

[Tulenos]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) - never realised that, Luddite. Good and informative post, mate;)

[rcgills]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

Not a very fair price' date=' though. As stated above, dead certs in women's tennis are 1/100 - not that anyone bets on them, but they are double the price.;)[/quote'] Apologies for going slightly off-topic, but if I remember rightly, Roddick is the same price as Australia were to beat Bangladesh in the cricket last week. No such thing as a dead cert ;).

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

KARLOVIC v BRACCIALI Lots being said about Karlovic on here and in other places. Just been looking at the ATP site and of the 70 sets Karlovic has played this season 31 have gone to a tie break. Ignoring clay the breakdown is as follows: Carpet: 6 sets played; 4 tie breaks Hard: 19 sets played; 8 tie breaks Grass: 25 sets played; 16 tie breaks Now this obviously suggests (as we all know) that Karlovic's serve takes some breaking, however it would also suggest that he doesnt break his opponent too often. The only time ive seen him this year was in the final of Queens versus Roddick (lost 7/6 7/6) and he really didnt look like breaking the Roddick serve. Okay, so thats no disgrace, but even when his own serve was returned it was clear that he was always struggling to win a point once a rally ensued. Now add all this to the fact that in their only meeting (on grass) Bracciali won 2 sets to 1 (all tie breaks), and you have an extremely tight match in prospect. Bet365 odds are Karlovic 2/9; Bracciali 3/1. In summary I would not touch Karlovic at those odds and for me this is either small stakes on Bracciali or no bet!

I'm not going to argue with the merits of what you've just put across, but something that you perhaps have overlooked in your analysis is the plain and simple fact that today's match is a best-of-5 affair. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I watched a men's Grand Slam match where every single set is decided by a tiebreak(or having 4 tiebreaks in a 5 setter for that matter). What's of concern here is the fact that Bracciali may not have what it takes to hold out a 5 setter the way Karlovic could as some players, for whatever reason, simply get overwhelmed in Grand Slams. For instance, Ljubicic is a prime example - he's never one to make much progress in Slams even though he could push the likes of a Roger Federer close in best-of-3 affairs. Looking at where you're coming from, I could certainly understand your viewpoint that Karlovic looks too skinny, but the way I see this, it's either Karlovic or no bet as I just feel there're too many questions surrounding the psychological and mental toughness of Bracciali.

[Tulenos]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

Apologies for going slightly off-topic, but if I remember rightly, Roddick is the same price as Australia were to beat Bangladesh in the cricket last week. No such thing as a dead cert ;).

I would be the last to claim there is something like a dead cert, mate. I used it more or less as a technical term.;)

[bunglesix]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Guys... a little of topic.

But can any1 with reasonable computer knowledge recommend a good small light laptop to buy ? So I can follow the board in the garden with the sun shining... AND BET ON WIMBLEDON.

Thanks

[mabell]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Has anyone looked at the Arthurs/Volandri match? Volandri appears to represent good value, they have both won against each other this year, despite Volandri's only being a best of 3. Volandri got to the second round last year, and must be looking to improve on this. By comparison, he has had a better season than Arthurs. Volandri is currently at odds of 6.6 on Betfair which looks to be value, what do you think?

2005	ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Clay, R64 Monaco	Clay	R64	Volandri	5 7 2 6
2005	Sydney, Hard, R32 Australia	Hard	R32	Arthurs	7 6 6 7 6 3

[mabell]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Bungleslx, It is off topic, but I would recommend going to Comet. Their selection of laptops are well specced and well priced. Take a look at the link below. http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/320.html Id recommend one of the following two models, the Fujitsu has a better spec but is £100 more but is still good value at 699. If you play 3D games however, go for the ACER. ACER AS1682WLMI FUJITSU SIEMENS AMILO A 1645 Sorry people for going off topic...

[Luddite71]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Thanks for the input edtkh. Wish i could do the quote thing but ive no idea!!! Thats a pretty good point you put across and something that id not really considered. i do think Karlovic should be slight favourite and probably even more so given that its a 5 setter like you say. Think i will give this one the old body swerve though.

[PompeyPunt]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Lots being said here about Karlovic here i see, but i think he and Andy Murray provide a lovely double betting opportunity for the day. Murray should get through here against a qualifier, who rarely plays on the main tour, let alone in decent standard grass tournys. Murray proved although being brought up on clay, he can play on the grass at Queens. Karlovic faces Bracciali and i as little suprised he was not shorter after the fantastic run he had at Queens, and if he again plays to that standard, a decent run at Wimbledon will not be far off. I can kind of understand the concerns voiced over Karlovic, but against someone in the mould of Bracciali i don't personally see to many worries here today over Karlovic's lack of breaking ability. That will come in the later rounds i would expect, against someone who is within the top 100 or so. Don't also forget Karlovic is almost tailor made to play on the grass surface. I will take the double at 1.85 at gamebookers, and be happy that i'm getting a decent shot. picks Murray, Karlovic DOUBLE (1.85) 8/10

[Matt]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) I cant believe the optimism for Murray today, he is playing a guy who is fit after the qualifyers and has knocked out Sampras here before :eek Murray freely admits hes shite on grass, he has cramped up in 3 set matches just a couple of weeks ago and surely if Bastl can nick a set he must fancy his chances of winning.

[mabell]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) I cannot find any evidence to suggest Murray will comfortably win this either. I am probably not looking in the right places but if someone could explain why he will win id be very interested.

[dave]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

You wouldn't be saying the same thing about Beck if that match had taken place on a hardcourt - says a lot about Beck's serves...

Beck's serves are effective on grass, I don't think you can deny that. Anyway, my point was that you could have substituted Beck's name for almost anyone in the men's game and your point about Philippoussis having the stronger serve would still have been true.

[Luddite71]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) First set Karlovic 7/6 Bracciali has won only 2 points against the Karlovic serve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

Beck v Philippoussis should have been a battle of the serves but they've both dropped serve twice each so far in opening set.

Beck's serves are effective on grass' date=' I don't think you can deny that. Anyway, my point was that you could have substituted Beck's name for almost anyone in the men's game and your point about Philippoussis having the stronger serve would still have been true.[/quote'] Put it this way, your first statement hardly holds true - Beck's not a server in the league of the Philippoussis, Karlovic and Roddick(just to name a few); hence, it's beyond me how a Philippoussis-Beck affair could be classed as a 'battle of the serves'(I thought a Karlovic-Roddick affair would qualify better in that context). As for your second quote, yes there's no denying Beck's got an effective serve, but he neither has a titanic serve nor does his game solely revolve around his serve(unlike Karlovic's) - his game is more complete than that, actually. Luddite, you can quote a post by clicking on the 'Quote' link at the bottom right hand corner of the particular post you wish to quote. ;)

[Luddite71]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) thanks for the tip Ed. Not been a break point yet in the Karlo game

[dave]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

Put it this way, your first statement hardly holds true - Beck's not a server in the league of the Philippoussis, Karlovic and Roddick(just to name a few); hence, it's beyond me how a Philippoussis-Beck affair could be classed as a 'battle of the serves'(I thought a Karlovic-Roddick affair would qualify better in that context). As for your second quote, yes there's no denying Beck's got an effective serve, but he neither has a titanic serve nor does his game solely revolve around his serve(unlike Karlovic's) - his game is more complete than that, actually.

The fact is Beck had to hold serve to have any chance against Philippoussis - how the respective serves went was IMO the most important aspect in the match. Please let me know where I said Beck's serve was anywhere near the players you have mentioned.

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July)

First set Karlovic 7/6 Bracciali has won only 2 points against the Karlovic serve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Bracciali wins the 2nd set 10-8 on tiebreak... :lol Under/Over 3.5 Tiebreaks, anyone? :rollin

[dave]

Re: Tennis : Wimbledon 2005 (20th June - 3rd July) Have to agree with Ed about Grosjean - he's a quality player on grass and, judging by the 1.33 odds, underrated on the surface too. Llodra, on the other hand, won in Holland last year before making a 1st round exit at Wimbledon to Cyril Saulnier so I wouldn't read too much into hi performances last week.