Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid

[mowgli77]

There have been a few posters mention this as an idea and it is something I do regularly anyway with a list of horses. It will be similar to BTP's diary thread that he used to run and will not have any profit/loss attached but be used to point out horses that are ones to follow or avoid in the future. I will provide a short template to copy and paste in this initial post and if anyone feels it needs to be altered in any way let us know so we can consider it. We're going to ask for just a small amount of reasoning rather than just having a list of horses, it will add quality to the thread and we all know why a horse is deemed worthy of following that way. Each poster can put as many eyecatchers in this thread as they want but it will be your own responsibility to follow up those horses. That way one person is not having to follow dozens of horses. Please make it clear if it is to follow next time out, next 3 races or when it gets its ideal conditions etc. If anyone wants to use a horse tracker for either their own selections or all the horses in the thread feel free to do so and if possible post in this thread the day/night before your "eyecatcher" is due to run. I have included the dates you noticed the horse so punters can then watch previous runs on ATR or RUK and see what you are referring to. I know most people will post eyecatchers but Tedthewolf made a good point about including horses to avoid, these might be ones that never seem to find anything extra, are way above their ideal handicap mark or maybe is a tail swisher and will be ideal for those that like to lay horses as well as back them. Template: Horses Name: Date(s) you noticed the horse: Ideal Conditions: Ideal Trip: Follow/Avoid (for how long): Reasoning: Just as a brief example I have chosen Sariska as it is a horse we are all aware of and this type of thing is what we can expect to see: Horses Name: Sariska Date(s) you noticed the horse: 13th May and 19th August (both at York) Ideal Conditions: Good or Good to soft Ideal Trip: 1m2f to 1m4f Follow/Avoid (for how long): Follow on good/good to soft, avoid on good to firm Reasoning: Sariska travelled well in May when despite getting 5lbs from Midday it then made hard work of beating that opponent on very firm ground. Michael Bell had already stated his concern at the firmness of the ground that day. These horses were to reoppose at the Ebor meeting but once again the ground was good to firm and maybe Sariska did not feel like racing on this surface as it downed tools at the start and refused to race. Has also been fractuous at home and kicked the trainer so maybe one to keep an eye on in the parade ring or on the way to post. Has loads of top class group form and too early to write this one off, those antics may mean it starts at a better price next time out but I think it may need cut in the ground these days. Feel free to get your eyecatchers in the thread as soon as possible. I am hoping this will be a very good quality thread and it will give each poster an indication as to what they are like as a race reader and whether they can pick future winners from what they have seen with their very own eyes. I know in terms of value etc we might not back them all but that stuff is for the daily racing threads. Good Luck. :ok

[chris34]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Are you happy for the so called class 5/6 donkeys to be put in here aswell as the potential classic winners??

[RussP]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid

Are you happy for the so called class 5/6 donkeys to be put in here aswell as the potential classic winners??

Absolutely mate. A winner is a winner, no matter what the class:ok

[StuSimmy]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Should this maybe pinned? Glad the thread has been given the go ahead, is there anyway to restrict a thread to members at all? Me and Chris were speaking on msn and he mentioned about all the eye catchers being on a public forum, it could potentially lead to losing value in a certain horse but I guess thats the risk you take if you post one up. I guess people could still sign up and view the thread anyway.

[bowles10]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid

Are you happy for the so called class 5/6 donkeys to be put in here aswell as the potential classic winners??

yes Chris, this is for ANY horse you wish to note whatever quality from 45 rated to 130 rated it doesnt matter any horse can effectively be an eyecatcher

[mowgli77]

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Should this maybe pinned? Glad the thread has been given the go ahead, is there anyway to restrict a thread to members at all? Me and Chris were speaking on msn and he mentioned about all the eye catchers being on a public forum, it could potentially lead to losing value in a certain horse but I guess thats the risk you take if you post one up. I guess people could still sign up and view the thread anyway.

I wasn't sure whether to Sticky it at the top of the forum as sometimes a lot of posts get missed and it is likely to get bumped regularly. What do other posters/mods think - sticky it? I don't think this thread will have much effect on prices unless it is really successful, the lurkers are more interested in "tips", usually from the man down the pub related to the lad that works with the fella that knows someone from the stable that is well in with the jockey's cousin and has heard a whisper etc etc. I don't think we're in danger of becoming the next Pricewise just yet. ;)

[StuSimmy]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Thought I would one of the horses I backed today: Horses Name: Bollin Judith Date(s) you noticed the horse: 16th October 2009,2nd September 2010 Ideal Conditions: Good To Firm Ideal Trip: 14 furlongs Follow/Avoid (for how long): Follow especially at Redcar Reasoning: The way the horse won on both dates mentioned were really eye catching for me, will obviously face a penalty now and will be interesting to see how she copes with that. The way she picked up today with a few shakes of the reigns was really impressive and she stayed on very gamely and ended up winning the race in great fashion, was also eased down towards the line. Trainer has been having a great season so there may be another win to come from her yet in 2010.

[chris34]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Ok this is something I am doing a lot more of at the moment with so much free time on my hands, I often pull 2-3 horses out a day so not gonna put them all up but they will all probably be daily bets in daily threads but I will however put a few more of perhaps the interestng/potentially bigger prices nto! Horses Name: Stacey Date(s) you noticed the horse: 6th July/1st Sept Ideal Conditions: Polytrack Ideal Trip: 8f perhaps a little further even Follow/Avoid (for how long): Look out for in Nurseries on the all-weather for the winter! Reasoning: ran a good race in a maiden on lingfields aw, before bombing out back on turf next time out on handicap debut but shaped a lot better than bare result suggests at Kempton, looking still a little green and not an easy ride but stayed on very very strongly through a difficult passage from the rear in race it paid to be handy!

[Monterosso]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Horses Name: Beat The Bell (David Barron) Date(s) you noticed the horse: 03 September 2010 Ideal Conditions: Quick ground with lots of pace in the race Ideal Trip: 5/6 furlongs Follow (for how long): Follow over the coming months, especially at Southwell or at any turf surface with Good going or better. Reasoning: Recently joined the David Barron yard from the Osbourne yard for 15,000 gns, he raced at Musselbrugh today which was his first time out for Barron. Missed the break effectively costing him a good 3 lengths or so and flew home late on to grab 4th and was around 1.5 lengths away from the winner. He was well backed from 20/1 into 10/1 suggesting that David has him in good knick and expected him to go closer if not win. Had a poor draw on the outside stall also which was no help and with a clear break he would of won. Barron usually does well with this sort of horse and he's got an entry for the Ayr Gold Cup on the 18th of September, currently 66/1 and worth a couple of quid e/w of anyones money in my opinion. He has been rated as high as 92 on the All-Weather and it'll be interesting to see what David Barron does with him as he's an AW specialist and one of the top trainers around Southwell so if I see him running there I'll definitely be lumping on, especially if Jamie Spencer is on board. He's not as good on the turf but not much worse and there will be a race in him from this sort of mark. He has lots of speed and is tactically versatile, can be ridden from the front or held up to run on late. He's an ideal horse for the Barron yard and if money comes for it next time out it should be taken very seriously. Certainly one to keep an eye on and I'm putting a few quid on him e/w at 66/1 to win the Ayr Gold Cup, in the off-chance that he actually races in it, although I think Barron's other horse, Poet's Place, is a shoe in for it. ;)

[chris34]

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Horses Name: Beat The Bell (David Barron) Date(s) you noticed the horse: 03 September 2010 Ideal Conditions: Quick ground with lots of pace in the race Ideal Trip: 5/6 furlongs Follow (for how long): Follow over the coming months, especially at Southwell or at any turf surface with Good going or better. Reasoning: Recently joined the David Barron yard from the Osbourne yard for 15,000 gns, he raced at Musselbrugh today which was his first time out for Barron. Missed the break effectively costing him a good 3 lengths or so and flew home late on to grab 4th and was around 1.5 lengths away from the winner. He was well backed from 20/1 into 10/1 suggesting that David has him in good knick and expected him to go closer if not win. Had a poor draw on the outside stall also which was no help and with a clear break he would of won. Barron usually does well with this sort of horse and he's got an entry for the Ayr Gold Cup on the 18th of September, currently 66/1 and worth a couple of quid e/w of anyones money in my opinion. He has been rated as high as 92 on the All-Weather and it'll be interesting to see what David Barron does with him as he's an AW specialist and one of the top trainers around Southwell so if I see him running there I'll definitely be lumping on, especially if Jamie Spencer is on board. He's not as good on the turf but not much worse and there will be a race in him from this sort of mark. He has lots of speed and is tactically versatile, can be ridden from the front or held up to run on late. He's an ideal horse for the Barron yard and if money comes for it next time out it should be taken very seriously. Certainly one to keep an eye on and I'm putting a few quid on him e/w at 66/1 to win the Ayr Gold Cup, in the off-chance that he actually races in it, although I think Barron's other horse, Poet's Place, is a shoe in for it. ;)

My worry now is they will run him down the field again before trying again yard renowned for the gamble could sit tight but he did finished like a train today after missing break!

[mowgli77]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Thanks to those already contributing - what do you think of the template? I think it looks quite good and easy to follow. I would say that though, I designed it. :lol Some quality reasoning with these eyecatchers too and as I said we can all watch the performances mentioned because there are dates in the posts. I know they do a similar eyecatchers thing in the Weekender and also in Raceform Update, let's hope we can find plenty of future winners. :ok

[StuSimmy]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid I like the layout, instead of stickying the actual thread how about making a sticky called PL's eyecatchers or something along those lines, make it a locked thread and just update it with the eyecatchers that are posted up, that could work?

[fintron]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid good idea with the thread mods. Horses Name: Bramshaw Date(s) you noticed the horse: 2nd Sept Ideal Conditions: no specific surface identified yet after only two career runs Ideal Trip: a mile for now Follow/Avoid (for how long): probably got two or three wins in him over a mile till the handicapper takes a hold and he is upped in trip Reasoning: was talked up ahead of his reappearance this year but was ultimately withdrawn that day. Made his comeback earlier in the week at Kempton after a lengthy absence. Shaped as if he would come on a bundle for the run and unexposed. Likely to be an awful price nto, but looks capable of winning races and should be marked down as a danger when has ideal conditions.

[StuSimmy]

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I like the layout' date=' instead of stickying the actual thread how about making a sticky called PL's eyecatchers or something along those lines, make it a locked thread and just update it with the eyecatchers that are posted up, that could work?[/quote'] Anybody? :$

[bowles10]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid

I like the layout' date=' instead of stickying the actual thread how about making a sticky called PL's eyecatchers or something along those lines, make it a locked thread and just update it with the eyecatchers that are posted up, that could work?[/quote'] stu, my personal preference is an A-Z in a locked thread maybe as a sticky, which can then have a link i.e Eyecatchers list - link - updated (date) Horse name Awzaan Bramshaw Cantbearsed this takes some admin which i feel is needed for such a thread

[StuSimmy]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Yeah that would definately work :ok

[bowles10]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid

Yeah that would definately work :ok

has to, otherwise i cannot see how anyone can track this thread

[mowgli77]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid What about an A-Z included in the initial 1st post of this thread that people can use to track the horses or is it better to have a separate thread with an A to Z that is updated when each horse has run?

[Tedthewolf]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Horses Name: ON THE HIGH TOPS Date(s) you noticed the horse: Saturday 4th Sept 2010 Ideal Conditions: Firmer the better Ideal Trip: 5f or an easy 6 Follow/Avoid (for how long): Follow when conditions suit Reasoning: Haydock 5/9/10~On The High Tops ran in a fairly decent looking 12 grand nursery over 6f. Thirteen runners went to post and this horse which i backed was sent off the rank outsider at 66/1 double the odds of the next outsider in the field. OTHT ran a cracking race IMO. The field split into three, the main group coming down the stand side, a couple down the middle and a few down the far side, where the fav and very comfortable winner Easy Ticket who lead all the way came from. My horse led the stands side till about a furlong out but fought back like a loin till eventually fading close home beaten 6 3/4 L finishing a very respectable 5th of 13. The horse imo is better suited to 5f a distance it has won at. Has to have good firm ground and is worth following in good class handicaps probably be next year as winter is now approaching. Trainer Tom Tate is good at placing his horse and has a very capable pilot in Micky Fenton they could have a lot of fun with this horse next year. A try on the AW this winter might even be on the cards. The winner looks a smart horse and should l be well worth following also. ± Just noticed OTHT it is entered for a listed race at Redcar in Oct not sure it will be up to that esp as its over 6f but will reassess nearer the time.

[ELCAKER]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid This is an excellent idea for a thread, well done guys for getting it together. :ok

[StuSimmy]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid

What about an A-Z included in the initial 1st post of this thread that people can use to track the horses or is it better to have a separate thread with an A to Z that is updated when each horse has run?

I would opt for a seperate thread.

[fintron]

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good idea with the thread mods. Horses Name: Bramshaw Date(s) you noticed the horse: 2nd Sept Ideal Conditions: no specific surface identified yet after only two career runs Ideal Trip: a mile for now Follow/Avoid (for how long): probably got two or three wins in him over a mile till the handicapper takes a hold and he is upped in trip Reasoning: was talked up ahead of his reappearance this year but was ultimately withdrawn that day. Made his comeback earlier in the week at Kempton after a lengthy absence. Shaped as if he would come on a bundle for the run and unexposed. Likely to be an awful price nto, but looks capable of winning races and should be marked down as a danger when has ideal conditions.

Declared tomorrow in the 3.25 at Sandown, RP forecast prices is 5/1, Sporting Life 7/2. The race is over 7f though so Im not backing as think he might need a mile. It may be that he gets 7f and that his last run can be partly explained by fitness, but I dunno if he will be outpaced so am leaving alone. At least the run will shed some light on whether he acts on turf (good at present)......

[bowles10]

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Declared tomorrow in the 3.25 at Sandown' date=' RP forecast prices is 5/1, Sporting Life 7/2. The race is over 7f though so Im not backing as think he might need a mile. It may be that he gets 7f and that his last run can be partly explained by fitness, but I dunno if he will be outpaced so am leaving alone. At least the run will shed some light on whether he acts on turf (good at present)......[/quote'] Fin, i always find that horses that need further will act over a shorter trip at Sandown, the uphill finish certainly has something to do with this. 7f may just be ok.

[fintron]

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Fin' date=' i always find that horses that need further will act over a shorter trip at Sandown, the uphill finish certainly has something to do with this. 7f may just be ok.[/quote'] I hope you are right as it would be nice if he won even though I arent backing him....might have had a tiny bet if the price had been any good but he is only 15/8 this morning, so happy to let it go off unbacked now...

[fintron]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Bramshaw got beaten by a neck by Master Mylo but lost no caste in defeat and now reveals he acts over 7f as well as on turf. Only beaten today as he raced more prom than the winner, one of those making plenty of late headway. Looks sure to win races although expecting a couple of pounds rise for this effort. Anyway, upshot is that I will follow him over 7-8f nto now and on turf or the AW

[mowgli77]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid I've stickied and locked an A to Z of Eyecatchers at the top of the page for quick reference. All discussion on how they have run etc for this thread as Fintron has done today. I'll update that thread regularly and any moderator can edit it. I have included name of poster and date of selection so we can see how the horses have done since being put up and who noticed them. :ok I'll be adding a few myself today or tomorrow.

[StuSimmy]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Horses Name: Harlestone Times Date(s) you noticed the horse: 12th September 2010 Ideal Conditions: Good/Softer side of good Ideal Trip: 10f+ Follow/Avoid (for how long): I imagine Harlestone Times is now going to be upped in trip again after staying on gamely to win a 10f race at Goodwood today but might be worth having a bet on again over 10 furlongs. I think 12-14 furlongs will be his ideal trip but will put 10 furlongs or longer as I do believe he could win over this trip again. Still lightly raced having had only 6 to date so is likely to progress over further and I believe this win may just urge him on to win more races. This was probably the only time he has run over an adequate trip judging on pedigree so I feel that makes todays run even better as the previous runs can really be set to the side now.

[kroni]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Horses Name: Coolminx Date(s) you noticed the horse: 12-9-10 Ideal Conditions: soft last time but has won on good to firm so any conditions could suit Ideal Trip: 6 furlongs Follow/Avoid (for how long): Follow next time out. Has entries on 16th, 17th and 18th of september Reasoning: A pretty consistant performer has won twice and placed 3 times from 8 starts including when second last time out, was very unlucky on that occasion and should of won if getting a clear run. the selection was traveling very well just behind the leaders but was boxed in against the rail when wanting to challenge and was shuffled back to almost last before getting a clearish run to come and challenge, stayed on strongly all the way to the line but the winner just held on.

[calculus]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Horses Name: Desert Icon Date(s) you noticed the horse: 12-9-10 Ideal Conditions: Soft side of Good. Ideal Trip: 6 furlongs Follow/Avoid (for how long): Follow next time out. Reasoning: Well backed (15/2 into 9/2) and did exceptionally well to get as close as he did in finishing 3rd beaten 3 lengths. After being held up against the rail didn't get any luck in running and had to check at a crucial moment, was stone last a furlong out and ended up staying on well down the middle of the track to take a never nearer 3rd. A record of one win in 18 outings does not inspire great confidence, but has had relatively few runs with a bit of cut in the ground and has now dropped down to a career low mark. The strong support suggests that connections feel confident that there is a race to be won off it's current rating. Has been ridden by seven pound claimer Harry Bentley on its last 3 outings and although I do rate Harry Bentley as very good value for his claim, this one may benefit from a more experienced jockey as is not the easiest of rides.

[Aidymac]

Re: *NEW* - Eyecatchers thread - horses to follow/avoid Horses Name: European Dream Date(s) you noticed the horse: Today Ideal Conditions: Good, Good to Soft, Soft, Ideal Trip: 2 Miles or 1 Mile Follow/Avoid (for how long): Follow until it wins Reasoning: Wow wow wow, very interesting. European Dream is the name of the horse i won my most substantial sum of money from a few years back in a huge handicap at Newcastle, something like 28 runners that day.. Anyways it was with Richard Guest and i see it has its first run for Richard Fahey tomorrow and Hanagan is on board in the Ayr 4:20... This is very significant and this is a classy animal that i feel hasnt been given the best oportunity to succeed with the Guest stable. I feel the Fahey stable will be getting the best tune out of this animal and im getting excited cos i know a win is just around the corner with it!! :cow It probably wont win tomorrow but it is one to keep a very close eye on