The Accountant Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 Delicate Kiss won at 5.09. Nice winner for us. Todays selections are; 12:22 Warwick Galidermes 12:45 Newcastle Onward Route 14:55 Newcastle Maid O'Malley 15:17 Taunton Glajou 15:47 Taunton Mystic Court 17:30 Chelmsford Rockesbury 18:30 Chelmsford Nigel Nott 19:30 Chelmsford Scofflaw 20:00 Chelmsford Splash Of Verve Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 Positive day yesterday for us and it should have been better with Scofflaw trading into 1.10 only failing to win. Todays selections are; 12:40 Cheltenham Tegerek 12:55 Bangor Lex Talionis 14:25 Cheltenham Storm Control 15:10 Bangor Minella Drama 15:25 Doncaster Bushypark 16:15 Southwell Luscifer 18:15 Southwell Little India 18:45 Southwell Liamba 19:15 Southwell Dark Side Prince 19:45 Southwell Jazz Legend Flash_ and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 12:05 Ayr Wetlands 13:10 Ayr Kalaharry 13:18 Plumpton Mountain Leopard 13:53 Plumpton Benevolentdictator 14:50 Ayr Glittering Love 14:58 plumpton Impulsive Leader 17:00 Kempton The Good Ting 18:35 Kempton Giuseppe Cassioli 19:05 Kempton Culture Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 Here is the bank update since last Wednesday; +€95 since last Wednesday with the places; Place Bank -€332 +€1,543 since last Wednesday on the wins; Win Bank +€5,218 Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 Places +€121 yesterday, wins -€397 Place bank +€211 Win +€4,821 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 13:45 Newcastle George Ridsdale 14:15 Newcastle Gaelic Secret 14:25 Catterick Airgead Suas 14:45 Newcastle Quest For Fun 15:15 Newcastle Mondammej 15:45 Newcastle Perfect Swiss 16:20 Newcastle Defence Treaty 17:10 Wolverhampton Athmad 17:25 Newcastle Arcavallo 19:40 Wolverhampton Doctor Nuno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 Just wanted to give you all some stats to back up what we are at here & note two tweeks on the system. Here's the results for this system (with the tweek we're about to implement included) over the recent years. Please note that these results are all listed at Betfair SP and after a full discount of 5% for commission. (In the vast majority of cases people are getting 2% and in some cases 0% commission or using BOG, so these results below would be your worst case scenario profits wise). Year Win Backs Place Backs 2016 127.26 3.97 2017 157.97 73.51 2018 -50.89 -33.30 2019 128.36 -17.49 2020 123.82 -26.62 Total 486.52 0.07 So we have 4 huge years profits with the Wins and one loss making year in the last 5 (for reference 2015 & 2014 we also in profit). The places over the last 5 years are now at breakeven and now we are going to use this info to tweek where we are at. 1. From now on the selections will need to have a minimum WIN Betfair SP of 5.0 to be backed. Any selection below this at the off will be ignored. So I'm backing selections to WIN with a BSP minimum of 5.0. 2. We are going to stop backing & recording the "places" in the interim. I will stay recording these results in the back ground and we will revisit this in 2021. No backs on the Place market for selections at all. On this basis todays selections are; 12:20 LUDLOW Kakamora 13:45 NEWBURY Magic Of Light 14:10 LINGFIELD (A.W) Comeatchoo 14:45 LINGFIELD (A.W) Lady Pendragon 14:55 NEWBURY Atlantic Storm 16:00 KEMPTON (A.W) Touchwood 17:05 KEMPTON (A.W) Eagle One 17:35 KEMPTON (A.W) Shady McGee 18:05 KEMPTON (A.W) Delicate Kiss 18:35 KEMPTON (A.W) Tipperary Jack 20:05 KEMPTON (A.W) Combine Wildgarden, nenad986, alancraik and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 Place bank as is now when stopping place backs is -€507 Win bank is now €3,821 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alancraik Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_rag Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, The Accountant said: From now on the selections will need to have a minimum WIN Betfair SP of 5.0 to be backed. Any selection below this at the off will be ignored. So I'm backing selections to WIN with a BSP minimum of 5.0. How does this work in practice? Would you have to wait until just before the off to back every selection so you could be sure it met the minimum price criteria or can you back the selections in advance but stipulate that the bet only stands if the criteria are met? Apologies if it's a dumb question, I'm mainly a sports bettor! Just wondered how one avoided backing the selections that are "too short". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgarden Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, harry_rag said: How does this work in practice? Would you have to wait until just before the off to back every selection so you could be sure it met the minimum price criteria or can you back the selections in advance but stipulate that the bet only stands if the criteria are met? Apologies if it's a dumb question, I'm mainly a sports bettor! Just wondered how one avoided backing the selections that are "too short". I have same problem of so prices occasionally drifting out of 'system' price... But it's breakeven out of system price so okay for me. Accountant what is lsp with new rules? Edited December 16, 2020 by Wildgarden harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labrador Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Presumably you use a Bot to enter your bet at Betfair SP with the command that the bsp must not be below 5.0. This avoids sitting at the computer just before every selection runs, although the downside is perhaps that early bigger bookmaker prices are not taken. harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 you can set sp min odds limit when backing at bfsp...just click 5 and let run(i think this is correct) harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hello, thank you for making contact and your interest in this. It is actually quite straighforward, you select to back your selection at Betfair SP. There is then a "Set SP odds limit" box to tick on the Betfair SP section and you simply put 5.0 in the option then for what odds you want the "min" to be. The system is built/recorded using BSP so I can't comment about other exchanges/using BOG etc. harry_rag and Wildgarden 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 There's some videos on youtube covering it for anyone that's having any issues. Yesterday was very nearly an excellent start. We won €134 on the day anyway for the 5 horses at 5.0 BSP or above to Win but Comeatchoo traded from 12.53 into 1.17 only to be beaten by a neck in a very tight finish. Win Bank +€3,955 Wildgarden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Here's todays selections; just to note again, we're backing to Win only where the BSP price is 5.0 or above. 13:05 EXETER Dock Road 14:15 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Arzaak 14:50 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Passional 15:15 EXETER Bogoss Du Perret 15:25 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Accrington Stanley 16:00 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Grimsthorpe Castle 16:35 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Notation 16:55 CHELMSFORD (A.W) Who Cares Wins 17:10 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Compass Point 17:45 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Pearl Of Qatar 19:00 CHELMSFORD (A.W) Red Verdon alancraik and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronl Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 For anyone still struggling, you have to switch to desktop version to set minimum SP odds. It won't work on mobile version. Hope that helps harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Tomorrow's selections. 11:55 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Liamba 12:55 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Stone Soldier 13:30 SOUTHWELL (A.W) Birkenhead 13:45 UTTOXETER Kilbrew Boy 14:20 UTTOXETER Saint Dalina 14:55 UTTOXETER City Never Sleeps 16:45 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Trouser The Cash 17:15 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Beauty Stone 18:15 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Hafez 19:15 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) The Quiet Rebel 19:45 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Singing The Blues 20:15 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Truly Together Flash_ and Wildgarden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 12:30 LINGFIELD (A.W) Critical Thinking 13:00 LINGFIELD (A.W) Sweet Believer 13:30 LINGFIELD (A.W) Buckingham 14:25 NEWCASTLE (A.W) Captain Cooper 14:35 LINGFIELD (A.W) Patsy Fagan 14:45 MUSSELBURGH Overcourt 15:15 MUSSELBURGH Warriors Story 15:25 NEWCASTLE (A.W) Palazzo 15:55 NEWCASTLE (A.W) Irreverent 16:55 NEWCASTLE (A.W) Qaaraat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 Nothing yesterday despite having two selections trading into evens. Todays selections are below; backing the Win only where the BSP price is 5.0 or above. 11:45 LINGFIELD (A.W) Vincenzo Coccotti 12:35 HUNTINGDON Mr Washington 13:35 HUNTINGDON Great Hall 13:55 SEDGEFIELD Cybalko 14:05 HUNTINGDON Prince Llywelyn 14:55 SEDGEFIELD Crackdeloust 15:15 LINGFIELD (A.W) Saucy Encore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 Win bank +€3,005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 qualifiers yesterday but none came home. Bank is +€2,605 We're going into a quieter period now for us a few days. There's no racing today, 24th or the 25th. There may be selections posted between now and the New Year but its unlikely. There are a lot of horses being specifically primed for this period and the results can be erratic so we tend to leave off until the first days of the New Year. Thank you again for your interest & we'll be in touch again shortly. Flash_ and harry_rag 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash_ Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Thanks for you very much for your help this year. Happy Christmas and I am looking forward to next year? harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 Hi All, A very Happy New Year to you all and best wishes for 2021. We're back live from today and looking to replicate last years and the previous years great returns. Just to recap, we looking to back for the Win only once the Betfair SP price is 5.0 or above. Any horse below this is being ignored. You can use the "set SP limit" at 5.0 on Betfair to ensure this is completed automatically for you. 12:40 LINGFIELD (A.W) Baba Reza 13:10 LINGFIELD (A.W) Ornate 13:40 LINGFIELD (A.W) Anisoptera 14:10 LINGFIELD (A.W) Too Friendly 14:25 FAKENHAM Perfect Moment 15:10 LINGFIELD (A.W) Cafe Sydney 15:50 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Kyllukey 16:50 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Inevitable Outcome 17:20 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) My Girl Maggie 17:50 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Athmad 18:20 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Odyssey Girl 19:20 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Inaam 19:50 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Revolutionary Man Flash_ and harry_rag 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Nothing yesterday, all below our cutoff won but in the long term we're on the right side of this. We looking to back for the Win only once the Betfair SP price is 5.0 or above. Any horse below this is being ignored. You can use the "set SP limit" at 5.0 on Betfair to ensure this is completed automatically for you. 12:55 LUDLOW Kilpin 13:40 LINGFIELD (A.W) Cappananty Con 14:10 LINGFIELD (A.W) Jennivere 14:25 LUDLOW Forgot To Ask 14:40 LINGFIELD (A.W) Ballydoyle 15:10 LINGFIELD (A.W) Passional 15:25 LUDLOW Volcano 15:55 LUDLOW Jaunty Freyja 16:10 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Ballyare 16:40 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Gavi Di Gavi 17:40 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Sharrabang 18:10 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Blue Moonrise 19:10 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Fard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Two winners yesterday at 5.95 & 5.70 which was good. Bank for the last 2 days so is +€231 Win Bank +€2,823 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Have updated the final 2020 figures; last 5 years totals net of a full 5% commission and using Betfair SP Year Win Backs 2016 127.26 2017 157.97 2018 -50.89 2019 128.36 2020 142.33 Total 505.03 harry_rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 If anyone wants copies of the results broken down for each year feel free to email me at [email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 I haven't calculated it fully as yet but I am reasonably sure that if 2% was applied as the commission that 2018 would be breakeven or also most likely be in profit. Certainly if BOG was used in that year it would be in profit, this would mean that all of the last 5 years would be in profit. Obviously this would equally mean that the other 4 years results would be considerable higher again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Accountant Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 13:15 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Power On 14:20 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Qaaraat 14:55 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Toronado Queen 15:55 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W) Greengage 16:10 KEMPTON (A.W) Cristal Pallas Cat 18:15 KEMPTON (A.W) Rock Eagle 19:15 KEMPTON (A.W) A Sure Welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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