Stevet1859 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Never seen anything like it !!!! Really pleased for Henry and especially well done for Prince Khalid Abdullah for keeping the faith.....that's been richly rewarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gingertipster Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Or maybe they will... Henry Cecil is seriously thinking of running Frankel in the Dante, with a view to the Derby. He's 2-1 from 7-2 for the Derby with Stan James If he were to win the Derby too, then blimey...And we thought Sea The Stars was a freak! Shortening up?:unsure Why? Superb mile performance, but needs to settle like he's never done before to stay the Derby distance. In fact, if they take him on with a 5f sprinter pacemaker, might not get a mile another day. I've laid the 5/1 on betfair for the Derby. But hey, Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant today! Awsome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandCrus12 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Brilliant run, amazing horse! Well done Frankel!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingertipster Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Were the bookies looking at a different race? William Hill 6/4 for the Derby!!!:loon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas just got back from work and absolutely gutted by that result ......how bizarre is that result ? thats the slowest guineas ive seen in 10 yrs (121 )!!!! and all the other fancied horses have finished no where ......what the hell happened .i wouldnt read too much into the result as the time was exceptionally slow so i think something freaky happened today .put into context the 2yr old i backed yesterday ran faster than the time frankel just achieved .......unbelievable and the proximity of the 2 outsiders just goes to back that up as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas just got back from work ......looked at the result and thought oh well ....what the hell happened to the other horses? and just looked at the sectionals and the race has been run in a record slow (121) .......the manner of the win looks like hes a super horse but in context the 2yr old i backed yesterday actually ran a faster time than frankel just did !!!!!! it seems all the other horses have just not turned up for some reason .......the proximity of the 2 outsiders franks that outcome as they ran to their marks ..........thats just unbelievably bad :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas ignore that last post its taking time for the posts to go through and i thought it hadnt taken .......im not stuttering ....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculus Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Most impressive Guineas winner I have ever seen, don't see how anyone can knock him now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileni4uk Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas If we were in USA/Australia, I'd say Frankel is a cert for the Derby. I have big doubts he can win it though. The shortening of World Domination and Carlton House tell the story for me. And if he actually wins the Derby, fair enough. I'd love to be proven wrong! We'd probably witness a perofrmance of the greatest horse ever if he is to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas and before anyone says ahhhhhh just a bad loser ...lol -1.8 on good /firm for a group 1 is dire and we all know it !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculus Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Running into a headwind... Anyway, I prefer to believe my eyes rather than anything else and visually that was a stunning performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2shoes Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Looked pretty good where i was standing, class is class, if you were on heavy then very well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas and i always trust the clock and we'll see what the fillies do tomorrow .....if they run faster the colts thats ........embarassing .......lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenyatta Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas and i always trust the clock and we'll see what the fillies do tomorrow .....if they run faster the colts thats ........embarassing .......lol Frankel has won the Guineas by 6 lengths, led all the way, what more do you want :eyes Theres not a 3 year old filly alive that could beat this horse, hes exceptional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas i'll be interested to see how timeform rate this then .......anything over 120 and they are having a laff . seta at goodwood just ran the 1mile on good/firm in 1min 37.35 (-0.35 ) for a group 3 and frankel has just run 1 min 37.30 (-1.80 ) ......says it all really and seta was carrying 7lb more !!!!!( faints ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Frankel given a provisional Timeform rating of 142 after his stunning Guineas success. The new rating just announced live on Timeform Radio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Richard, I'm a big speed and times man myself, and I can see where your coming from. However, the way he ran the race was unlikely to produce a super fast time. Whilst it's true that a fast pace ensures a true time, going the pace Frankel did was never going to produce a great performance on the clock. Instead, he drove his rivals into submission, and quite simply destroyed them within 4f. It's credit to him that he got home in the time he did considering how quick he went early. Don't know if you've ever read James Willoughby's blog, but he writes at length how horses can run the fastest times when going at a constant speed. Frankel ran his race in a hugely innefficient manner, so I don't believe we can knock the performance based on the time. Ask your 2 year old for example to run the same first 4f as Frankel, and see what time he comes home in. I guarantee it would be substantially slower than the time Frankel recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas that's the same as Harbinger?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenyatta Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas i'll be interested to see how timeform rate this then .......anything over 120 and they are having a laff . seta at goodwood just ran the 1mile on good/firm in 1min 37.35 (-0.35 ) for a group 3 and frankel has just run 1 min 37.30 (-1.80 ) ......says it all really and seta was carrying 7lb more !!!!!( faints ) You are getting bogged down in times, hes just beat the best horses of his generation 6 lengths in a Group One, if he met Seta he would annialate her, have you already forgotten the performance he put up in the Greenham at Newbury. Hes led, idled infront and still Won by 6 lengths, he was never ridden and has loads left in the locker. Your standards at Goodwood are WRONG, and Goodwood is not Newmarket. You have a lot to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenyatta Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Richard, I'm a big speed and times man myself, and I can see where your coming from. However, the way he ran the race was unlikely to produce a super fast time. Whilst it's true that a fast pace ensures a true time, going the pace Frankel did was never going to produce a great performance on the clock. Instead, he drove his rivals into submission, and quite simply destroyed them within 4f. It's credit to him that he got home in the time he did considering how quick he went early. Don't know if you've ever read James Willoughby's blog, but he writes at length how horses can run the fastest times when going at a constant speed. Frankel ran his race in a hugely innefficient manner, so I don't believe we can knock the performance based on the time. Ask your 2 year old for example to run the same first 4f as Frankel, and see what time he comes home in. I guarantee it would be substantially slower than the time Frankel recorded. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas 142 is a joke ........theyve just got wrapped up in the whole hype of the day .......if timeform think -1.8 on good.firm warrants a rating of 142 ..........am i thick or what ....if anyone does speed ratings do they honestly think that was a performance of 142 ? all hes done is accelerate off a snail pace and fair play to the horse im not knocking him doing the business on the day .....but does no one else think that form is highly suspect and dont be surprised if he gets beaten by something in a race or 2 time then we'll revise his rating and what happens if the fillies run a quicker tomorrow ?not saying they will but if they do then this forms a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenyatta Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas 142 is a joke ........theyve just got wrapped up in the whole hype of the day .......if timeform think -1.8 on good.firm warrants a rating of 142 ..........am i thick or what ....if anyone does speed ratings do they honestly think that was a performance of 142 ? all hes done is accelerate off a snail pace and fair play to the horse im not knocking him doing the business on the day .....but does no one else think that form is highly suspect and dont be surprised if he gets beaten by something in a race or 2 time then we'll revise his rating and what happens if the fillies run a quicker tomorrow ?not saying they will but if they do then this forms a joke Have you heard of collateral form ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas makfi 136.35 (-0.8) sea the stars 135.88 (-0.35) like i said .......absolute joke and the standards are spot on and 142 is a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas 142 is a joke ........theyve just got wrapped up in the whole hype of the day .......if timeform think -1.8 on good.firm warrants a rating of 142 ..........am i thick or what ....if anyone does speed ratings do they honestly think that was a performance of 142 ? all hes done is accelerate off a snail pace and fair play to the horse im not knocking him doing the business on the day .....but does no one else think that form is highly suspect and dont be surprised if he gets beaten by something in a race or 2 time then we'll revise his rating and what happens if the fillies run a quicker tomorrow ?not saying they will but if they do then this forms a joke They may do, but ask whichever filly records a faster time than Frankel to run it in the same way, and they wouldnt manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas if anyone does speed ratings and thinks that was a good performance .....its time to pack up and go home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas if anyone does speed ratings and thinks that was a good performance .....its time to pack up and go home Richard, do you truly believe that your 2 year old yesterday could run the same initial first 4f, and still finish in a faster time than Frankel ? The Speed Rating isn't the be all and end all, the way in which it is achieved is important also. Surely someone so into speed ratings as you are understands that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_eastern_ram Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas Are you listening to what anyone is saying? You're getting too caught up on speed figures, they're not be all and end all that makes a great performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas timeform have just claimed that was the best performance ever and the ratings for the last 2 winners are given above ......even into a head wind he doesnt come close to them ............and people pay for that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Re: 2,000 Guineas so what your saying is if donovan bailey runs 40 metres in 4 secs then accelerates to win by 5 metres in 10.36 he's better than usain bolt who runs in the next race and wins by 1metre and records 9.92 .......because am i thick or is that what everyones saying to me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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