definition of a pro tipster?

[mic79]

Would like you guys opinion on this.

[WorkingForTheEnemy]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? Conman

[WorkingForTheEnemy]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? Or on a slightly more serious note. Someone who gives their tips as part of a paid/subscribed service. Success/failure rate has nothing to do with it.

[Winner4Me]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? LOL WFTE. Yeah so he can use your money to back horses rather than his own...

[bowles10]

Re: definition of a pro tipster?

Conman

perhaps said in jest however not everyone should be tarred with the same brush guys to me, the definition is "someone who supplies information for a payment" The word pro is key here. If i tip a horse on my website, it has come from my methods & occasionally from an information source. I dont advertise as a pro however i dont ask for money for my service. What is a pro? Someone who spends all day working on each race to produce a selection?

[Trotter]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? I'd say one of the following - - someone who sells tips ( phone tipsters, subscription website tipsters) - someone who is paid a salary to provide tips ( eg on a newspaper) The tips don't have to be any good..........it's whether people pay for them that counts.

[WorkingForTheEnemy]

Re: definition of a pro tipster?

What is a pro? Someone who spends all day working on each race to produce a selection?

Surely the definition of pro is the paid part. You could spend all day studying for selections but not charge. You could also stick a pin in the paper, charge someone money and call yourself a pro tipster.

[welshman 2005]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? just a quick ? how exactly did templegate et al, get their jobs in the newspapers. I cant make head nor tail of it. cos most of them are useless

[whoneedsrio]

Re: definition of a pro tipster?

just a quick ? how exactly did templegate et al, get their jobs in the newspapers. I cant make head nor tail of it. cos most of them are useless

Whilst some newspaper writers/tipsters are better than others they all have the same problem, they have to put up their tips even if they don't fancy anything. Most such as Templegate have to provide a daily nap, even if they can't find one. On any given big race day that nap will be in the big race of the day so that the paper can trumpet the success of their ace tipster. The current talked about tipster is value scope in the Mirror who has had a fine run over the last two or three years. However the column is finding it a bit harder this year & there must be times when he looks at a race & thinks I can't see a bet. What he can't do is say to the editor "Sorry boss I haven't got anything for you" he has to provide his copy. The ones to have a pop at are the telephone leeches. Rio.

[billy the punter]

Re: definition of a pro tipster?

Whilst some newspaper writers/tipsters are better than others they all have the same problem, they have to put up their tips even if they don't fancy anything. Most such as Templegate have to provide a daily nap, even if they can't find one. On any given big race day that nap will be in the big race of the day so that the paper can trumpet the success of their ace tipster. The current talked about tipster is value scope in the Mirror who has had a fine run over the last two or three years. However the column is finding it a bit harder this year & there must be times when he looks at a race & thinks I can't see a bet. What he can't do is say to the editor "Sorry boss I haven't got anything for you" he has to provide his copy. The ones to have a pop at are the telephone leeches. Rio.

I don't see the problem in coming up with a selection every day. Racing's biggest myth is that pro's only bet now and again. Complete rubbish. I probably have 25+ bets a week and EVERY other pro (actual pros, not ones who have columns/services/TV jobs) I know bets on a daily basis (or at least 5 times a week). No work, no money. I've never listened/followed a tipster in my life, but I don't see any problem with the game - if someone wants to follow a newspaper tipster or pay for one, then fair enough - it could work for them. Even if the service shows a loss, it could still be in the customers favour. Although I agree that selecting on EVERY race (like the Sun etc do) would be a pain, due to time constraints.

[bowles10]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? i once tipped (ghostwriter) in a national newspaper when the tipster simply had too much to do. It was a long time ago, cant remember how i did! Newspaper tipsters often lose thier enthusiasm as they are based on overall total of tips plus thier naps. If you ask them, they would like to be monitored on certain races where they show thier class. If i had a newspaper I would continue with the 1 tip per race scenario but then also have a second section which outlined the best bets for the day which would provide much more detailed information about that particular tipster.

[whoneedsrio]

Re: definition of a pro tipster?

I don't see the problem in coming up with a selection every day.. Racing's biggest myth is that pro's only bet now and again. Complete rubbish. I probably have 25+ bets a week and EVERY other pro (actual pros, not ones who have columns/services/TV jobs) I know bets on a daily basis (or at least 5 times a week). No work, no money. I've never listened/followed a tipster in my life, but I don't see any problem with the game - if someone wants to follow a newspaper tipster or pay for one, then fair enough - it could work for them. Even if the service shows a loss, it could still be in the customers favour. Although I agree that selecting on EVERY race (like the Sun etc do) would be a pain, due to time constraints.

The last sentence is more the point I was trying to get across, however you have hit the nail on the head with the EVERY other pro part, the actual pro & not those who are supplementing their day job by offering their tips as a sideline. What we have are basically two different animals, the pro punter & the pro tipster & whilst I would agree that it is posible to find something to back/tip most days there still must be days when nothing stands out. On these days the pro punter would probably have the day off where the tipster would still have something on the phoneline for his customers, it's his work. Rio.

[Gingertipster]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? Who Is A Pro Tipster? I would imagine most pro tipsters are also “pro” punters who want some security, getting a wage. Though why Mr. Nevison wants to do it when he is making the money he claims is beyond me. I know one pro punter who told me he now puts lay bets on his telephone line because that is what punters want these days. Despite rarely laying horses himself. They are not all ogres, he is a nice bloke who will talk to you and give advice on how you can become more successful. Is Tommo a pro tipster? Think not. Be careful, anyone can call themselves a “pro”, but also be aware even the best gamblers can go on losing runs. I am going to try to be a pro punter, have been building up to it for some years. The problem I, and many others have is bottle. To have the nerve to put enough on. Any pro gambler would be glad to have the percentage profit I do. But the amounts I stake are not enough so don't make enough. I suspect one reason so called pro gamblers get jobs on newspapers, tipster lines etc. is that it is difficult to get enough money on, or having the bottle to do so. As for newspaper tipsters making losses.... They have my utmost respect but are on a hiding to nothing. Unless they can “take the price” like Pricewise or Valuescope, it is impossible to make a consistent profit. Value is everything. Might have tremendous knowledge about the game, but unless they can win better than 20% of their 4/1 bets and 10% at 9/1 etc. they will not make a profit. And how can they do this not knowing what price each horse is going to be? Spotlight for example in the Racing Post, does the betting forecast for what he thinks the betting will be, and then has to make a value selection on those prices he has made. He does not know what the SP's will be, just takes an educated guess. If a tip is given believing it to be a 20% chance, and is expecting it to be 5/1 it is a good bet. However, if it ends up being less than 4/1, then it is no tip at all. Yet the tipster is stuck with that selection. Also when punters see the selection, their money shortens the SP. Tipsters can not even take a price because the early prices are not known when their selections are made. Even if a tipster manages to predict SP's and his selections make a profit one year. If he gets a good reputation, more people will back those selections, so the SP will be lower still. Even less value, so even less likely to make a profit. A tipster from a large newspaper or with a large following has no chance. Ginge

[BillyHills]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? definition of a pro tipster? The definition of a Professional in a specialist field is someone who earns more than 75% of their income from this 'job'. Has as already been said the quality doesnt have to be of a standard. I call myself a Professional Photographer beacuse all of my income comes from selling photos that I take, now whether or not i'm good enough to be called that title is irrelevant, the taxman calls me that anyway! I feel a second question coming on ?

[mileni4uk]

Re: definition of a pro tipster?

I feel a second question coming on ?

Errrr ... "how much is the taxman asking for your betting income (if any) ?" .. :loon

[BillyHills]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? I dont bet Milen, I just take money for giving duff tips:lol

[SteveO]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? Derren Brown is one of the best tipsters around.

[cavello]

Re: definition of a pro tipster? " am going to try to be a pro punter, have been building up to it for some years. The problem I, and many others have is bottle. To have the nerve to put enough on. Any pro gambler would be glad to have the percentage profit I do. But the amounts I stake are not enough so don't make enough. I suspect one reason so called pro gamblers get jobs on newspapers, tipster lines etc. is that it is difficult to get enough money on, or having the bottle to do so". Your right bottle or confidence to stake high enough to make a reasonable level is a problem. I have obviously made money in periods of unemployment and in these periods often staked above my comfortable level. I remember one day having £500 on @4/6 which for me is massive. The horse won fairly easy after a blunder at the 2nd last. I actually felt ill after the race. At that time my bank was possiblly not adequate at c8k with a weekly turnover of c2k(far too high in relation to the bank IMO) Secondly would I now be willing to finance my betting bank to a suitable level (30K+ IMO*) by selling shares and pumping in other savings etc the answer is no., even with my mortgage paid off. I quite content to just have an additional income source to supplement my modest main income with bets in the range 25 -100 pounds. This still involves outlays in the winter on Saturdays of 600-1000 pounds and 4.15 to 5 o'clock on that day is stressful enough for me already. * For somewhat aiming to make £25K+ (tax free)Staking say 5K per week in all bets(football and racing) For someone with young family and nortgage committments more would be required.to say double the above figure.