Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June)

[mr chips]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/index2.html?noscores 6-1 6-1

[ian3012]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) thanx chips:clap

[libi71]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) all over for Lisnard 6-1 6-1 6-4 seemed to get into the match in the third, but there it was too late. Ah well, one gone down the drain. :cry

[kiko1983]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Unlucky libi - ive been using the Roland Garros one the past 2 days and it is by far the best one available for instant updates!

[libi71]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) oh, never mind, think some other's had their money on him as well. ibm's scoreboard on the official grand slam sites is definately the best place, detailed stats available and fast updates.

[mr chips]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June)

10pts Wawrinka to beat Massu (3.40 @ Betfair) This is a bit of a joke, really. If the prices were sorted on the basis of the form of both players this year, Wawrinka should be odds-on here, but evidently his lack of experience has been taken into account in the way this match has been priced. It must be said Massu's decent run at the Hamburg Masters a fortnight ago did Wawrinka's price no harm at all and that's certainly too irresistible a price to be given a miss. Massu has had a torried time since Athens last year and up until Hamburg, he hardly looked capable of making progress in any tournaments and I still remain unconvinced he has what it takes to make the second round of Roland Garros this year. Once again, my only reservation - which basically holds me back from putting a bigger stake on Wawrinka - is Wawrinka's lack of experience at the major events(this is only his first Slam) and you never know how his nerves might hold out. Having said that, Massu is equally capable of the ridiculous in equal measure just as he did at the Aussie Open when he crashed out to Kohlschreiber. Worth a dabble nonetheless. ;)

:clap well done, lets hope kuerten wins

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Hope nobody lost too much on Lisnard! :( The cnut played a shocker and is totally unlike what you'd expect from him in a Grand Slam. Having said that, Wawrinka came through 6-7, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4. I said a few months ago this is a name to look out for and let's hope he'd continue to show the sort of bottle he did today - I thought he put up a really courageous fight throughout(Massu was 5-4 up in the first set and serving for set only to be broken back by Wawrinka) and thoroughly deserved his win. Nevertheless, I'm sure he'd have raised a few more eye brows had it not been for his more illustrious countryman Federer. :clap Hope that made up for those who went with Lisnard! Fingers crossed, Kuerten will deliver - he's only ever been knocked out in the first round at Roland Garros once and that was way back in 1997 when he made his first appearance at Roland Garros...

[Punto83]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Well done edtkh, your bank will be looking even more healthier if Kuerten gets through :clap

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June)

Well done edtkh' date=' your bank will be looking even more healthier if Kuerten gets through :clap[/quote'] Cheers, fingers crossed though - after what happened with Agassi... :hope

[rasher]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Terrific call on Wawrinka. Well done Ed.

[mr chips]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) First set Lost 6-3!

[The Saint]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkk!:(

[The Saint]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) what the fuk is he doin!? 3-0 down in 3 minutes??!

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) As I won't be in for long tomorrow, thought I'd post up some of the previews for Day 3 matches first. 20pts Hanescu to beat Chela (2.75 @ Ladbrokes) :D This has got to be the bet of the day for me. It's absurd trying to work out how sportsbooks price games up sometimes - Hanescu's game on clay is perhaps his finest and much as you try to make a case for Chela, there isn't a lot you could make of him being that much stronger than Hanescu on clay. The pedigree of both players at Roland Garros is pretty even if you ask me(so long as you ignore Chela's quarter-final appearance last year which was obviously an aberration from the norm) as both have a knack of hovering at the 2nd to 3rd round stages. As I have said so often, Chela's inability to hold serve is bound to hurt him and even though he got away with that against Schuettler despite losing the first set, I can't see him going away unpunished by Hanescu if he repeats the same mistakes. For the record, Hanescu's claycourt W-L record this year reads 6-5 and Chela's reads 7-8 and Hanescu beat Chela(though not really significant as that took place on grass 2 years ago) 3-0 at Wimbledon in the only meeting ever between the pair. This is probably a 60-40 game in Chela's favour at best - definitely not going to justify Hanescu's 2.75! ;) 10pts Horna to beat Henman (3.75 @ Ladbrokes) :D Horna really shouldn't be this big - period. Henman, another one who had a surprisingly outstanding year in 2004, is a perennial also-rans at Roland Garros down the years, not having gone past the third round in 8 attempts until last year. Realistically, I wouldn't expect him to come anywhere close to making another semi-final appearance and while Horna may not stand a hope in hell against Henman had this been played on any other surface, this really isn't more than a 50-50 affair as far as I'm concerned and 3.75 on someone who can proudly boast of having beaten a certain Roger Federer in years gone by at Roland Garros certainly represents massive value. 20pts Tipsarevic-Stepanek (1.91 @ Ladbrokes) :( Ferra beat a hopeless Andrei Pavel to get here and should really not be rated at all. Stepanek, while shaky against Srichaphan in the first set, simply outplayed his opponent - and bored the crowds if I may add - to grind his way into round 2. There's only going to be 1 winner in this. Young Janko Tipsarevic is coming into this match on the back of having beaten a consistently solid player inthe form of Dominik Hrbaty. That should stand him in good stead against a 28-year-old journeyman who only got here on the back of beating part-time American Hugo Armando in 5 sets. Truth be told, 1.57 for the Serb to nick this is just too generous for me. Cheers & Good Luck! :ok Starting Bank : 100.00pts Current Bank : 94.50pts Profit/Loss : -5.50pts

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June)

what the fuk is he doin!? 3-0 down in 3 minutes??!

And the famous Guga Groans are at it again - after sleepwalking through the first two sets, he's claimed the first 8 points in the third to take a 2-0 lead in the third... :lol

[ian3012]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) i reckon kuerten is taking the piss...... 6-3 6-0 down...... and he's 2-1 games up in the third......his first break of the match...... lets hope he gave the second set away.... and has now come out to play.:hope

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) And Guga saves 2 break points to make it 2-1... :clap

[ian3012]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) hmmm..... i thought so........ 2-1 :clap c'mon kuerten!

[mr chips]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Having a laugh in the third though 3-0 down!

[The Saint]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Definately takin the `piss! idiot!:wall

[libi71]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) Not such a good day, only Wawrinka coming through for me, as I had as well gone for the Kürten/Haas combo and a single on Lisnard. Still a nice profit after two days, with Mamic and Moya/Grosjean double coming through. Just for completeness, my current bank, after all bets had been staked with 2.5pts from 100pts starting bank (apologies for not consistently posting all bets, but I am not really trying to prove anyhting here). Thanx to all for their contributions and especically edtkh for his very concise previews.:clap Starting Bank : 100.00pts Current Bank : 104.5pts Profit/Loss : +4.5pts #bets: 5 Wins: 3 Losses: 2 Strike: 60% Staked: 12.5pts Yield: ~36%

[1ted]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) need some help! Made 1000 euro bet for Agassi when he was set and break down with good odds (@2.3). Waited till he wins his second set. And he did (made it 2-1). Thought about good Nieminen price and good profit in any way and wanted to play it safe. BUT Willhill decided not to make live betting after the tie break and Agassi lost his match. Is everything ok? Can they do that kind of tricks? If they do these kind of tricks can I get my money back? They told that suspension of live betting was a bussiness thing but I guess WilliamHill is not a safe place to make bets because you never know when they will suspend match without any particular reason (injury, rain). I want you to ask is it legal and not against the rules? How could I prevent myself from this kind of s**t? What about ethics? Is it all about money and customers are in the last place? Thank you for your help! Could you please tell me the safest betting companies. i don't wanna this kind of bullss**t anymore! THANK YOU for your help and support!

[libi71]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) I like the two outsider bets from edtkh on Hanescu and Horna, which I am gonna take. Probability of one coming through for a nice profit is good enough. 2.5pts on both bets. Especially Henman is suspicious to fall, as this is not his natural ground. Should weather conditions improve further and heat set in over the next days, Henman find more favourable conditions if he survives tomorrow. Else I could not find a lot of value in the straight sets, so I looked into the handicaps. Would anyone fancy this? Federer - Almagro +2.5 at 3.2 (better prices might exist). This means Almagro would just have to win one set, a goal which he has certainly set himself. My reasoning would be that Federer is not a natural clay court player (even though he plays very well on this turf) and that this is only the second round of the tournament, so he might not have found his rythm yet. Almagro on the other hand is a specialist on clay, though inexperienced at this level. At 3.2 (or better) there might be a bit of value, as Federer won't go through the tournament so clean as on other surfaces. Any thoughts?

[heniek31]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) :welcome 1ted

They told that suspension of live betting was a bussiness thing but I guess WilliamHill is not a safe place to make bets

Believe me ted every bookie does it when they sense something fishy. Did you watch the game? When Agassi went 2-1 up he picked up injury and it was obvious he will go down as he really looked in bad state. As he is true champion and gentleman he decided to play to the end and thats why he lost next two sets 6-1 6-0. I watched the game and followed live betting on bet365. They suspended all markets as soon as they saw a grim on Andres face. In such situation bookies always go safe. Obviously you were very unlucky in this case cause Agassi would have won that game or if he retired you would have got your money back (if thats the rule for player retirement at Hill). No bookies to blame this time but our champion Andre. I feel sorry for you mate :(.

[edtkh]

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need some help! Made 1000 euro bet for Agassi when he was set and break down with good odds (@2.3). Waited till he wins his second set. And he did (made it 2-1). Thought about good Nieminen price and good profit in any way and wanted to play it safe. BUT Willhill decided not to make live betting after the tie break and Agassi lost his match. Is everything ok? Can they do that kind of tricks? If they do these kind of tricks can I get my money back? They told that suspension of live betting was a bussiness thing but I guess WilliamHill is not a safe place to make bets because you never know when they will suspend match without any particular reason (injury' date=' rain). I want you to ask is it legal and not against the rules? How could I prevent myself from this kind of s**t? What about ethics? Is it all about money and customers are in the last place? Thank you for your help! Could you please tell me the safest betting companies. i don't wanna this kind of bullss**t anymore! THANK YOU for your help and support![/quote'] Just to touch on your point, there's nothing wrong with the conduct of the bookies in this respect as they're only looking after their self-interests. Put it this way, would you have put any money on Agassi if you were watching midway through the 5th set? If your answer to that is no, it pretty much applies to the bookies' mentality that it wouldn't be prudent for them to accept any bets for the match since they can't realistically open only a market for people to back Agassi, but not Nieminen. On a sidenote though, I recall Ladbrokes taking bets for the match right up till the third game of the fifth set so you might want to take note of that. Having said that, in-running bets right till the moment the match is still over at the exchanges like Betfair. For sporting exchanges, they don't stand to lose anything as all they basically do is serve as the 'matchmaker' between two parties betting on opposite outcomes at an agreed price. Hence, the reason they keep the market open until the end of the match(although it must be said there was more than USD100,000 unmatched bets for Nieminen by the 5th game of the final set). So if you want to be sure you can back and lay right till the end, stick with the exchanges... Hope that helps clarify things... ;)

[edtkh]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June)

Would anyone fancy this? Federer - Almagro +2.5 at 3.2 (better prices might exist). This means Almagro would just have to win one set, a goal which he has certainly set himself. My reasoning would be that Federer is not a natural clay court player (even though he plays very well on this turf) and that this is only the second round of the tournament, so he might not have found his rythm yet. Almagro on the other hand is a specialist on clay, though inexperienced at this level. At 3.2 (or better) there might be a bit of value, as Federer won't go through the tournament so clean as on other surfaces. Any thoughts?

From my perspective, no. With no disrespect to Almagro, he's not in Federer's class(even after accomodating the claycourt factor) and this effectively means it's very much in Federer's control. I know Federer has been known to take things easy at times and consequently, has a knack of dropping a set every now and then. Having said that, I have also noticed Federer takes a far more serious approach to the Slams(especially so for the French Open where he knows he still has a lot to prove) and he leaves little room to complacency. Obviously, he's often stated he wants to get things over and done with as soon as possible for Grand Slam matches so as not to exert undue pressure on himself and help keep him in top shape for the subsequent games. With that sort of mindset, I just can't see Almagro living with Federer especially when you consider Federer's probably in the best shape of his life to take a serious shot at the singles' title. Another point you might want to note, Federer only dropped 2 sets at Wimbledon last year (1 against Roddick and 1 against Hewitt) and he dropped just 2 sets to Agassi at last year's US Open and earlier this year at the Aussie Open, went on a rampage and dropped no set until he played Safin when he lost. Of the 4 sets he dropped at Wimbledon and the US Open last year, 3 of those matches were played in highly disruptive conditions where rain wrecked havoc on those matches forcing play to be interrupted every other game(and in the case of his clash with Agassi at the US Open last year, the match was completed over 2 days). Basically, those who took a set off him were top 10 players capable of winning Slams themselves and with no disrespect to Almagro, I just don't feel he's ready - not yet, anyway. :tongue2 Nevertheless, if you choose to persist with the bet, you might want to consider Federer 3-1 instead as that presents far better odds since firstly, I believe you don't think Federer will lose this match and secondly, this is not a match that's likely to go to 5 sets to begin with. :tongue2

[libi71]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) hmmm, well, thanx a lot edtkh for your input. As I said, I am not sure about this. On any other surface, it would be no question. Especially in the Grand Slams, Federer does not want to loose any time, so he is extremly concentrated. On Monday though, he let slip his concentration a bit in the second set, against a stronger player this might have cost him the set. Regarding his form, I am not convinced a hundert percent. With only two tournaments on clay, he might still be a bit rusty. I will follow your suggestion and go for the 3-1, which is actually the result I could very well imagine to happen in the outlined scenario. I will definately have to find the time to watch at least the highlights. Are there any useful highlights on the Web to watch? [email protected] on Federer to win 3-1 Furthermore I am playing 2 out of 3 on the 3 outlined bets for 1pt (Federer3-1, Horna, Hanescu)

[mattsthebest]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) libi, If it's any encouragement to your Almagro pick, I have seen some very well respected punters on other fourms share a similar view to yours. There is a general feeling that Almagro can realistically take a set off Federer. So your not alone on this one. Good luck with your pick. :ok

[1ted]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June) thank you heniek31 and edtkh for your help and support!

[libi71]

Re: Tennis : French Open (23rd May to 5th June)

libi, If it's any encouragement to your Almagro pick, I have seen some very well respected punters on other fourms share a similar view to yours. There is a general feeling that Almagro can realistically take a set off Federer. So your not alone on this one. Good luck with your pick. :ok

well, it's always nice to know that you are not alone in your foolishness :rollin let's see and :hope