The Jockey Thread

[The Saint]

I agree that would be best - there is little mileage in trying to change punters opinions in the main! ;)

[Haystacks]

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JP Mcmanus is worth hundreds of millions. Why does he bother backing horses?

Yes of course, J P McManus is renowned for landing touches on 66-1 and 25-1 shots. When these guys back horses they are going to be putting enough on that it is worth their while and that will significantly affect the market. They are not just trying to nick a few thousand. Ground conditions are very dodgy at the moment, so why is it so surprising that some big outsiders (especially front-runners) are coming in?

[Jimmy2shoes]

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I am not going to say they definately backed Windsor. But i do honestly believe they knew SNA was not going to win and that Windsor had a good chance... We will never know if they back the horses or not' date=' but for me too many of his "good-things" get turned over and get beat by a stable-mate for it to be a coincidence. I will leave it at that[/quote'] Pretty much spot on, and even if this makes me some Grade A' nutter i agree with this comment 100% People need to wake up and smell the coffee, sure all these yards are worth millions but ONCE AGAIN they race horses for a reason, they have staff to pay, fuel bills, vets fees, transport, tax & vat etc etc YES they make alot of money from stud BUT they also send horses out every now and again and line up to race for a reason. But am with Aidy 100% in they knew SNA would get beat !

[Chaostheorie]

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I am not going to say they definately backed Windsor. But i do honestly believe they knew SNA was not going to win and that Windsor had a good chance... We will never know if they back the horses or not' date=' but for me too many of his "good-things" get turned over and get beat by a stable-mate for it to be a coincidence. I will leave it at that[/quote'] 100% agree

[Jimmy2shoes]

Re: The Jockey Thread Jack Doyle in the last at Exeter, never gave up trying. Some jockeys should take note on how its done, Jack, i salute you. http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,495725,00.html

[switzerland]

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Jack Doyle in the last at Exeter, never gave up trying. Some jockeys should take note on how its done, Jack, i salute you. http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,495725,00.html

Think he's mustard Jimmy. Had a nibble on his mount Rosslyn Castle today so fingers crossed.

[Jimmy2shoes]

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Think he's mustard Jimmy. Had a nibble on his mount Rosslyn Castle today so fingers crossed.

Its a good horse, you have the right man in the plate. Good luck.

[davierich]

Re: The Jockey Thread Should Joseph have been stronger in the finish on Betterx3 there?

[Aidymac]

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Should Joseph have been stronger in the finish on Betterx3 there?

No.

[DLL]

Re: The Jockey Thread I don't think you could say he was at fault in the finish, but he might have been for getting him into a barging match turning into the straight. Plus with hindsight he shouldn't have sent him to the front so soon the horse would've won but for idling once he was there.

[erhaab1965]

Re: The Jockey Thread I don't dislike young Joseph ,I think the owners are not doing themselves justice by having such an inexperienced jockey on some of their decent horses. Chester is a specialist track , that was his first ride there, maybe an older jockey would have won.

[DLL]

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I don't dislike young Joseph ' date='I think the owners are not doing themselves justice by having such an inexperienced jockey on some of their decent horses. Chester is a specialist track , that was his first ride there, maybe an older jockey would have won.[/quote'] Got a 4 day ban too.

[mowgli77]

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Think he's mustard Jimmy. Had a nibble on his mount Rosslyn Castle today so fingers crossed.

I think you mean James Doyle. What a ride on Rosslyn Castle, settled at the back, picked up 5 places when given a squeeze from the back of the field and then ran on really strongly to beat a decent field. If you see my facebook or twitter you'll find I had a few quid on it too. :)

[switzerland]

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I think you mean James Doyle. What a ride on Rosslyn Castle' date=' settled at the back, picked up 5 places when given a squeeze from the back of the field and then ran on really strongly to beat a decent field. If you see my facebook or twitter you'll find I had a few quid on it too. :)[/quote'] Have to admit I wasn't that confident when he was held up so far back but Jack Doyle clearly knew he had a good horse under him. Nice way to finish the day.

[Jimmy2shoes]

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Have to admit I wasn't that confident when he was held up so far back but Jack Doyle clearly knew he had a good horse under him. Nice way to finish the day.

LOL Think we got our wires crossed on the jockey, Jack Doyle / James Doyle. Nice result for you anyway.

[Edberg]

Re: The Jockey Thread The more I see Graham Lee riding on the flat the more I recognize his qualities. He rides very well indeed and his stats are getting impressive too: 5 wins in the last 7 days, 3 from his last 4 rides and all very nice rides with almost everything perfectly judged and not on short priced favourites.

[mowgli77]

Re: The Jockey Thread Witnessed 2 awful rides today: Dettori on Hunter's Light and Hamilton on Calaf. Dettori left the horse with far too much to do and unless you are on a top class sort or one that flies through soft ground you can't really expect your horse to sprout wings from a hold up ride. He actually looks like he doesn't care though, hardly put the horse in the race and then made the minimal effort when throwing down a challenge. I've seen a few others mention him too. If he can't be arsed anymore then why doesn't he step aside because I'd much rather see SDS on a horse instead of him anyway. Retire and let some of the younger lads have a fair crack. I was worried about Calaf being held up too long as Spencer was booked to ride. He cried off sick in the afternoon and Hamilton got the ride. As I was watching the race I was eager for him to make a move on the front two but he waited and waited and already had to make up about 4 lengths turning in for home. he let the front two kick, get first run and build up momentum and then stayed on nicely for 3rd but was well beaten by the front two. If it had been level with the front two kicking for home it would have had every chance but you can't expect it to make up ground when already behind and given your rivals first run round the bend. RP comments in running are:

Held up, ridden 2f out, headway over 1f out, kept on under pressure to take 3rd well inside final furlong, no chance with front pair (op 11-4)

That's exactly as it was and it had no chance of getting competitive from the ride it was given. Make a note of Calaf as it will win races under a better jockey with a better ride.

[The Saint]

Shame I backed the begger today then! Hamilton obviously got wind of this info before the off. I'm not sure if he'd of won or not because I stopped watching on the bend... As u say - too far back...

[south_eastern_ram]

Re: The Jockey Thread Wasnt the best ride, but still think the front two would have been a long way clear of Calaf no matter what Hamilton did. He didnt pass the fourth placed horse till well inside the final furlong. Resurge was well handicapped and far better than this grade on his day, i feckin debated with myself for ages last night whether to back him and choose not to in the end, still gutted. Stand To Reason is progressive and ran a massive race, better than his mark of 90 today. Dont think Calaf is much better than a mark of 80, picked up a weak apprentice race lto but on all previous form hasnt shaped as if he's ahead of his mark, imo.

[Aidymac]

Re: The Jockey Thread Daryl Daryl Daryl!!! Hughie won't be very happy with you sir.

[Jimmy2shoes]

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Daryl Daryl Daryl!!! Hughie won't be very happy with you sir.

Very very unlucky. http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,497940,00.html

[andyjkmak]

Re: The Jockey Thread I disagree, he didin't wait too long, the horse just took an age to respond, he had to wait for some space before stating his run but you cannot call that a bad ride.

[Aidymac]

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I disagree' date=' he didin't wait too long, the horse just took an age to respond, he had to wait for some space before stating his run but you cannot call that a bad ride.[/quote'] The best horse lost. So some blame has to go on the jockey. There is no reason why he shouldn't have produced the horse a touch sooner, he only had 1 horse to beat. He had loads of horse under him.

[Jimmy2shoes]

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The best horse lost. So some blame has to go on the jockey. There is no reason why he shouldn't have produced the horse a touch sooner' date=' he only had 1 horse to beat. He had loads of horse under him.[/quote'] Fully agree he had loads of horse under him but he had no where to go, you see him at point trying to nip down the rail but it was a risky move, i know its always hard taking in but its just one of them things.

[andyjkmak]

Re: The Jockey Thread He had loads of horse under him so he had no reason to expect the horse to take so long to pick up,. I just think we can be a bit harsh on jockeys sometimes. I recently visited a rescue centre for racehorses and was amazed by the size and power of them. They are just incredibley big powerful machines, I certainly have a lot more respect now for the guys who jump upon them day in day out.

[stewartd14]

Re: The Jockey Thread Shirroco Star should have won, yes, and it probably wasn't Darryls finest ride. However, I wasn't convinced by his attitude in the finish - still should have gone on when he came to challenge the winner. Maybe it was greenness, maybe it was attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter.

[Aidymac]

Re: The Jockey Thread On reflection ye are correct, it was my pocket talking! Horse didn't respond.

[erhaab1965]

Re: The Jockey Thread Great to see Daragh O'Donohoe back riding in Britain again , not seen him here for a few years. He's a decent jockey who has won multiple Gr1's and had often rode for multiple Gr1 winning trainer S B Suroor , lets hope he has a fruitful season.

[erhaab1965]

Re: The Jockey Thread Fantastic to see TG McLaughlan win the Yorkshire Cup ( Group 2 ) , he has been considered a journeyman jockey for all his riding career and today he's finally won a big race. Well done . Probably the horse will be campaigned at the top races around the world and unfortunately for Tom will probably have a top jockey aboard in future . At least he's won a Group race which very few jockeys ever achieve.

[cpo]

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Fantastic to see TG McLaughlan win the Yorkshire Cup ( Group 2 ) , he has been considered a journeyman jockey for all his riding career and today he's finally won a big race. Well done . Probably the horse will be campaigned at the top races around the world and unfortunately for Tom will probably have a top jockey aboard in future . At least he's won a Group race which very few jockeys ever achieve.

Ed Dunlop said after the race that the horse is being targeted at the Melbourne Cup again and that the trainer prefers to have a local jockey on board that knows the track. That's fair enough I suppose as the Melbourne track is quite tricky from what I remember? I backed Lucas Cranach last year that finished placed but I am sure in the build up they kept mentioning the track.