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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings

Nice result Bill, a couple of interesting things; McCain said before the race that Al Qeddaaf wasnt 100% but had no option but to run to get him qualified for Cheltenham, he ran like he was a gallop short, maybe give him the benefit and the winner had ran well when the King horses were suffering so rightly had the + sign, a few of his are in the same boat, improving a lot and maybe worth keeping an eye on. Orsippus has surprised me, had him down as a non stayer earlier on in the year but I suppose these juveniles do get stronger and improve, I was wrong there. Keep it up:ok
Thanks mate. Yes I heard the comments, which were pretty fair, and given he travelled well before weakening I'd say it was very much the case. Definitely worth another chance. I think the race is decent, haven't rated it yet but would guess the winner run to at least 121. Just realised I've tipped and backed Orsippus on each of his last five starts, and collected each time, one of my current favourites, if there are such a thing. ;) I really liked his 5th to Monsieur Jordain back in October, it looked a decent race at the time. There were early doubts regarding his stamina, no clues from the breeding and he only won over a mile on the flat. However after his third hurdle start they went back to the flat and he was a 0.5l 2nd at Newcastle over 2m, on that evidence there is even an argument for him getting slightly further still, 18/19f maybe. :ok
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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings

Cornish Castle (rated 98) runs off a mark of 92 in the all-age handicap at Huntingdon at 4.40. Could be worth an interest on Betfair (EW 1-2-3-4) but ability to stay the 2m4f has to be taken on trust.
Didn't stay a yard in this ground, at that pace, I should've forseen that to be honest.
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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings 2.40 Warwick No Sting 111 Fin Vin De Leu 104 Ebiayn 102+/90 Highway Code 90 Seaquel 73 Doric Echo FTO Double Handful FTO Turnham Green FTO Allformary FTO I've yet to decide on a rating for Ebiayn such was the difference between his promising debut and his poor 2nd start. A decision on the bet will follow tomorrow, but a definite rating for Ebiayn may have to wait until after this race.

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2.40 Warwick No Sting 111 Fin Vin De Leu 104 Ebiayn 102+/90 Highway Code 90 Seaquel 73 Doric Echo FTO Double Handful FTO Turnham Green FTO Allformary FTO I've yet to decide on a rating for Ebiayn such was the difference between his promising debut and his poor 2nd start. A decision on the bet will follow tomorrow, but a definite rating for Ebiayn may have to wait until after this race.
No Sting 0.35pt each-way 9/2 William Hill, Ladbrokes, Betfred Ebiayn 0.15pts each-way 8/1 Bet365, Betfred, Paddy Power 1pt staked ------------------------ No Sting x Ebiayn x Fin Vin De Leu 0.1pt forecast combination No Sting x Ebiayn x Highway Code 0.05pt forecast combination 0.9 forecast pts staked
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No Sting 0.35pt each-way 9/2 William Hill, Ladbrokes, Betfred Ebiayn 0.15pts each-way 8/1 Bet365, Betfred, Paddy Power 1pt staked ------------------------ No Sting x Ebiayn x Fin Vin De Leu 0.1pt forecast combination No Sting x Ebiayn x Highway Code 0.05pt forecast combination 0.9 forecast pts staked
1st Fin Vin De Leu 4/6 2nd Highway Code 25/1 3rd No Sting 9/2 I don't know why I didn't do a four-horse combination? You will struggle to see a worse ride than the one given to No Sting just then. Total brain-dead stuff from Mark Bradburne. Ebiayn looks a rogue.
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3.20 Bangor-on-dee Marsool 118x Stir On The Sea 117x Devil To Pay 111 Highland River 110x Braveheart Move 110 Lively Fling 110 Ciceron 109 Veronicas Boy 100
This is tough, just 9lb seperates seven of the eight runners and five are rated with 2lbs of eachother. Also three of the top-four rated have x's due to their early season or Irish form. Highland River 0.1pt each-way 66/1 Sportingbet Marsool 0.1pt each-way 16/1 generally (BOG) Stir On The Sea 0.1pt win 11/2 generally (BOG) 0.5pt staked ---------------------------------------------------- Highland River x Marsool x Stir On The Sea 0.05pt forecast combination 0.3 forecast pts staked
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This is tough, just 9lb seperates seven of the eight runners and five are rated with 2lbs of eachother. Also three of the top-four rated have x's due to their early season or Irish form. Highland River 0.1pt each-way 66/1 Sportingbet
4th. :puke 8/15 in-running for a place too. Once wrong I was glad it was Ciceron who won, boosting the Anak formline a little.
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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings According 75+ Acquisitive 69 Advisor 126 Am I Blue 103 Anak 129 Alaivan 134+ Alazan 119 Albulharith 90 Alhaque 100x Al Qeddaaf 117 Arabian Silk 85 Ascendant 111 Ashes Summer 101 Astracad 100 Aven Mac 73 Baccalaureate 127x Bachelor Days 1 Bahamian Ceiliedh 57 Bahkov 80 Bandanaman 100 Barbarian 100x Bari Bay 69 Barizan 134x Barwell Bridge 122 Beat The Devil 70 Beat The Shower 103 Bedarra Boy 111 Beidh Tine Anseo 112 Billy Smart 61 Blakeneys Pet 48 Blazing Buck 112xx Blue Nymph 110 Blue Tango 99 Blushing Soul 101x Bocamix 122 Bomber Brown 80 Bothy 129 Bounty Reef 1 Brad's Luck 90 Braveheart Move 114x Bromhead 87 Bubses Boy 66 Call It On 106 Camomile 1 Captain Walcot 11 Carlito Brigante 138 Catchmeifyoucan 1 Causeway King 124 Celtic Ballad 87 Ciceron 120 Classically 45 Coeur Brule 102 Coka 46 Comprimario 93 Cornish Castle 98 Corredor Son 111 Cross Appeal 116 Dalrymple 90 Dannios 30 Dark Oasis 109 Dayanara 1 Decision 89+ Descaro 102x Devil To Pay 113 Diktalina 122 Doctor Deejay 112 Doran's Lodge 94 Double Handful 43+ Douchkette 67 Doric Echo 32 Dream Risk 102 Dreamwalk 102x Drumshambo 114 Drussell 93 Dr Valentine 106 Dubai Creek 66 Duke Of Urbino 1 Ebiayn 97xx Emirates World 55 Epee Celeste 112 Evening Sunset 116 Everaad 79 Extreme Impact 107x Eyesore 1 Father Figure 77 Fin Vin De Leu 115 First Bay 108x Flannel 86 Fongoli 86 Game Roseanna 70 Garter Knight 90 George Nympton 123 Gilded Age 122 Good Lord 76 Googoobarabajagal 106 Group Leader 114+ Gwyre 105 Halling Park 98 Hallstat 105 Hector's House 115 Hector Spectre 51+ Heez A Cracker 96+ Helieorbea 113 Heredias 90 Highland River 107 Highway Code 97 History Lesson 85+ Hunterview 122+ Hydrant 82 Icy Colt 71 Igneous 75 Ingenue 94 Investisement 90+ Jeronimo Joe 109 K'Gari 79 Kapowee 1 Khan Tengri 102 Kind Heart 112 King's Chorister 74 King's Counsel 101 Kings Troop 110 Kochanski 95 Kudu Country 124 Lady Of Ashcott 52 Lady Rusty 71 Lakeman 105x Lastkingofscotland 87 Leblon 110 Lively Fling 109 Luthien 90x Mallory 104 Marsool 104 Maskateer 1 Master Fong 114 Mosstown 108 Melange 119 Me Voici 138 Midnight Bay 29 Mille Chief 127+ Moggy 69 Mohanad 122 Monsieur Jourdain 123 Mosstown 108 Mr Melodious 55 Mr Prolific 90 Ms Slocombe 94 Mt Kintyre 44 My Les 102 Mymateeric 106 Myshkin 70 Nafaath 111+ Navajo Nation 71 Nayessence 75 New Tricks 105 Nicky Nutjob 106 Night Knight 86 No Sting 107 Notus De La Tour 125 Olofi 130 Onemix 94+ Open Day 125+ Order Order 1 Orsippus 121 Orzare 130 Owls FC 60 Pacific Bay 66 Park Lane 108x Peace Corps 94 Perception 41+ Pergamon 6 Peter Grimes 118x Pezula 40 Pistolet Noir 134 Pittoni 120 Pokfulham 115 Pool Of Knowledge 40 Prince Pippin 121 Princess Soroya 82 Puzzlemaster 82+ Quick Single 38 Racingisdreaming 100 Rajamand 113 Ravati 113 Rawaaj 91 Reaction 123x Regal Lyric 97 Rio Gael 52 Riptide 122 Riskareas 122 Rougham 123 Royal Max 112

Royal Mix 123+ Royal Premium 74 Rupestrain 127 Salontrye 97 Sang Bleu 129 Santo Thomas 86+ Screaming Brave 122 Seargeant Pink 122 Seaquel 73 Secant Star 124+ Shalambar 100+ Shifting Gold 115 Singarpore Reef 116 Sir John 56 Sitwell 1 Six Of Clubs 1 Sohcahtoa 72 Soldatino 136 Some Time Good 67 Solis 111+ Souter Point 106+ Space Telescope 107 Spiv 82 State General 1 Stellar Cause 1 Stars Du Granits 122 Stormy Morning 50 Stormy Weather 124 Strikemaster 113 Strong Storm 100 Super Fourteen 83 Supernoverre 96 Takelli 110 Tarawa Atoll 103 Taste The Wine 90 Telling Stories 80 Tessarae 85 Theologist 112 The Saucy Snipe 79 Toldedo Gold 104 Toubab 122 Toujours Souriante 85 Transformer 73 Transporter 91 Tropical Bachelor 93 Troubletimestwo 119 True Britannia 119 Trumpstoo 120 Turnham Green 1 Turn To Dreams 24 Ultimate 132x Uncle Bunge 88 Vain Betoli 1 Valentine Bay 1 Valid Point 45+ Veiled 120 Venture Capitalist 71 Veronicas Boy 100 Warrior One 108 Watergate 107+ Westlin' Winds 132 Windpfeil 90 Woodlark Island 85 Worth A King's 106 Zarinski 116 Zelos Diktator 90 Zepnove 115

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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings A quick look at the market leaders in the Triumph. Alaivan 4/1 Carlito Brigante 6/1 Secant Star 8/1 Soldatino 10/1 Advisor 12/1 Westlin' Winds 18/1 Super Kenny 20/1 Me Voici 20/1 Notus De La Tour 20/1 Pittoni 25/1 Alaivan 134+ Carlito Brigante 138 Secant Star 124+ Soldantino 136 Advisor 126 Westlin' Winds 132 Super Kenny unraced Me Voici 138 Notus De La Tour 125 Pittoni 120 I know lameness was blamed for Pittoni's defeat at the weekend but I'm not surprised to see him drop away from the head of the market. He had chunks to find on the book, his graded wins amounted to very little. The day after connections said he wasn't lame - personally I think he ran to form, in fact given my opinion on him I actually thought it was decent run to finish 3rd against his elders.

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I think Billy is having connection problems right now .... but Cornish Castle runs again today in a hcap hurdle over 2m 3f. Race is 2.50 - Just noticed it myself. Dont know if Billy would be tipping it, but he has backed it twice in this thread I think.
Cheers Stew, yes I had a nightmare getting online early part of the week. No surprise to see Cornish Castle run well off that mark. Sure his time will come soon.
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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings No juvenile races today but plenty of interesting runners in all-age races. Ayr 2.10 Nafaath 111+ Ayr 3.20 Warrior One 108 (runs off 101) New Tricks 105 (runs off 100) Sandown 2.20 Kings Troop 110 (runs off 113), I may have been harsh lowering him to 110. Bets: Nafaath 1pt win 13/8 Victor Chandler, Stan James, Coral Nafaath x Caerlaverock x Catach A Cloud 0.05pt forecast combination Nafaath x Caerlaverock 0.1pt reverse forecast

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2.10 Ayr Nafaath 1pt win 13/8 Victor Chandler, Stan James, Coral Nafaath x Caerlaverock x Catach A Cloud 0.05pt forecast combination Nafaath x Caerlaverock 0.1pt reverse forecast 3.20 Ayr Warrior One 0.2pt each-way 4/1 Victor Chandler, Coral New Tricks 0.05pt each-way 9/1 Stan James Warrior One x New Tricks x Overturn 0.1pt forecast combination
1st Nafaath 13/8 (adv) 2nd Saveiro 3rd Caerlaverock 1st Overturn 2nd New Tricks 11/1 FC: £10.00 Races played 27 Staked 27.4pts Returns 39.88pts Profit 12.48pts Yield 46% F/C's Races played 11 Winners 4 Staked 10.4pts Returns 9.64pts Profit -0.76pts Yield -7%
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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings Ignore this, it's just my early Fred Winter workings. Will re-post once I get the final decs. Bothy 129 Stormy Weather 128 Kudu Country 127 George Nympton 127 Riptide 127 Olofi 124 Bocamix 124 Hunterview 124+ Orzare 123 Prince Pippin 123 Orsippus 123 Diktalina 121 Baccalaureate 120x Causeway King 119 Barwell Bridge 119 Notus De La Tour 118 Open Day 117+ Theologist 115 Cross Appeal 115 Star Du Granits 114 Fin Vin De Leu 113 Doctor Deejay 112 Son Amix Sanctuaire Ned Of The Hill Shanrod Capellanus Loch Long Chebona Bula

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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings Taunton 2.20 Stir On The Sea 109x Onemix 101+ Casual Style 97 Arabian Silk 90 Lucky Score 86 Seaquel 73 Perception 41+ Dayanara 40 Halling Gal FTO Baraquet no rating 2.10 Stratford Ultimate 132x Reaction 126x Royal Max 115 Googoobarabajagal 112 Nicky Nutjob 102 Weet In Nerja 88 Doric Echo 38 Catchmeifyoucan 7 Jeremiah FTO Super Kenny FTO

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Taunton 2.20 Stir On The Sea 109x Onemix 101+ Casual Style 97 Arabian Silk 90 Lucky Score 86 Seaquel 73 Perception 41+ Dayanara 40 Halling Gal FTO Baraquet no rating
Laying fairly short odds for the money here but the ratings suggest it's correct to do so. Onemix 0.55pt win 10/11 generally Casual Style 0.3pt each-way (w/o Onemix) 7/2 Paddy Power Stir On The Sea 0.2pt each-way (w/o Onemix) 3/1 Paddy Power --------- Onemix x Casual Style x Stir On The Sea 0.1pt forecast combination Onemix x Casual Style 0.1pt reverse forecast Onemix x Stir On The Sea 0.1pt reverse forecast
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2.10 Stratford Ultimate 132x Reaction 126x Royal Max 115 Googoobarabajagal 112 Nicky Nutjob 102 Weet In Nerja 88 Doric Echo 38 Catchmeifyoucan 7 Jeremiah FTO Super Kenny FTO
Ultimate 0.6pt win 11/8 generally Googoobarabajagal 0.1pt each-way (w/o Super Kenny) 20/1 Paddy Power Royal Max 0.1pt each-way (w/o Super Kenny) 16/1 Paddy Power Above three 0.05pt forecast combination
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Laying fairly short odds for the money here but the ratings suggest it's correct to do so. Onemix 0.55pt win 10/11 generally Casual Style 0.3pt each-way (w/o Onemix) 7/2 Paddy Power Stir On The Sea 0.2pt each-way (w/o Onemix) 3/1 Paddy Power --------- Onemix x Casual Style x Stir On The Sea 0.1pt forecast combination Onemix x Casual Style 0.1pt reverse forecast Onemix x Stir On The Sea 0.1pt reverse forecast
Debutant bolts up and puts a spanner in the works. 1.55pts staked, 0.32pts returned. 1 forecast point lost.
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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings Races played 29 Staked 29.95pts Returns 43.22pts Profit 13.27pts Yield 45% F/C's Races played 13 Winners 4 Staked 11.7pts Returns 9.64pts Profit -2.06pts Yield -18% Forecasts are always going to be tough, but I love a challenge. Was just a nose away from being well in front with those too though.

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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings Looks like two very big players won't be going for the Triumph. Super Kenny was touted to be machine at home and certainly looks the real deal on today's evidence. And the Nicholls horse that won easily at 16/1 few weeks ago too. With double figures on Alaivan and Secant Star I'm glad :D

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Re: BTP's Juvenile Hurdle Ratings According 75+ Acquisitive 69 Advisor 126 Am I Blue 103 Anak 129 Alaivan 134+ Alazan 119 Albulharith 90 Alhaque 100x Al Qeddaaf 117 Arabian Silk 85 Ascendant 111 Ashes Summer 101 Astracad 100 Aven Mac 73 Baccalaureate 127x Bachelor Days 1 Bahamian Ceiliedh 57 Bahkov 80 Bandanaman 100 Barbarian 100x Bari Bay 69 Barizan 134x Barwell Bridge 122 Beat The Devil 70 Beat The Shower 103 Bedarra Boy 111 Beidh Tine Anseo 112 Billy Smart 61 Blakeneys Pet 48 Blazing Buck 112xx Blue Nymph 110 Blue Tango 99 Blushing Soul 101x Bocamix 122 Bomber Brown 80 Bothy 129 Bounty Reef 1 Brad's Luck 90 Braveheart Move 114x Bromhead 87 Bubses Boy 66 Call It On 106 Camomile 1 Captain Walcot 11 Carlito Brigante 138 Catchmeifyoucan 1 Causeway King 124 Celtic Ballad 87 Ciceron 120 Classically 45 Coeur Brule 102 Coka 46 Comprimario 93 Cornish Castle 98 Corredor Son 111 Cross Appeal 116 Dalrymple 90 Dannios 30 Dark Oasis 109 Dayanara 1 Decision 89+ Descaro 102x Devil To Pay 113 Diktalina 122 Doctor Deejay 112 Doran's Lodge 94 Double Handful 43+ Douchkette 67 Doric Echo 32 Dream Risk 102 Dreamwalk 102x Drumshambo 114 Drussell 93 Dr Valentine 106 Dubai Creek 66 Duke Of Urbino 1 Ebiayn 97xx Emirates World 55 Epee Celeste 112 Evening Sunset 116 Everaad 79 Extreme Impact 107x Eyesore 1 Father Figure 77 Fin Vin De Leu 115 First Bay 108x Flannel 86 Fongoli 86 Game Roseanna 70 Garter Knight 90 George Nympton 123 Gilded Age 122 Good Lord 76 Googoobarabajagal 106 Group Leader 114+ Gwyre 105 Halling Park 98 Hallstat 105 Hector's House 115 Hector Spectre 51+ Heez A Cracker 96+ Helieorbea 113 Heredias 90 Highland River 107 Highway Code 97 History Lesson 85+ Hunterview 122+ Hydrant 82 Icy Colt 71 Igneous 75 Ingenue 94 Investisement 90+ Jeronimo Joe 109 K'Gari 79 Kapowee 1 Khan Tengri 102 Kind Heart 112 King's Chorister 74 King's Counsel 101 Kings Troop 110 Kochanski 95 Kudu Country 124 Lady Of Ashcott 52 Lady Rusty 71 Lakeman 105x Lastkingofscotland 87 Leblon 110 Lively Fling 109 Luthien 90x Mallory 104 Marsool 104 Maskateer 1 Master Fong 114 Mosstown 108 Melange 119 Me Voici 138 Midnight Bay 29 Mille Chief 127+ Moggy 69 Mohanad 122 Monsieur Jourdain 123 Mosstown 108 Mr Melodious 55 Mr Prolific 90 Ms Slocombe 94 Mt Kintyre 44 My Les 102 Mymateeric 106 Myshkin 70 Nafaath 111+ Navajo Nation 71 Nayessence 75 New Tricks 105 Nicky Nutjob 106 Night Knight 86 No Sting 107 Notus De La Tour 130 Olofi 130 Onemix 94+ Open Day 125+ Order Order 1 Orsippus 121 Orzare 130 Owls FC 60 Pacific Bay 66 Park Lane 108x Peace Corps 94 Perception 41+ Pergamon 6 Peter Grimes 118x Pezula 40 Pistolet Noir 134 Pittoni 120 Pokfulham 115 Pool Of Knowledge 40 Prince Pippin 121 Princess Soroya 82 Puzzlemaster 82+ Quick Single 38 Racingisdreaming 100 Rajamand 113 Ravati 113 Rawaaj 91 Reaction 123x Regal Lyric 97 Rio Gael 52 Riptide 122 Riskareas 122 Rougham 123 Royal Max 112

Royal Mix 123+ Royal Premium 74 Rupestrain 127 Salontrye 97 Sang Bleu 129 Santo Thomas 86+ Screaming Brave 122 Seargeant Pink 122 Seaquel 73 Secant Star 124+ Shalambar 100+ Shifting Gold 115 Singarpore Reef 116 Sir John 56 Sitwell 1 Six Of Clubs 1 Sohcahtoa 72 Soldatino 136 Some Time Good 67 Solis 111+ Souter Point 106+ Space Telescope 107 Spiv 82 State General 1 Stellar Cause 1 Stars Du Granits 122 Stormy Morning 50 Stormy Weather 124 Strikemaster 113 Strong Storm 100 Super Fourteen 83 Supernoverre 96 Takelli 110 Tarawa Atoll 103 Taste The Wine 90 Telling Stories 80 Tessarae 85 Theologist 112 The Saucy Snipe 79 Toldedo Gold 104 Toubab 122 Toujours Souriante 85 Transformer 73 Transporter 91 Tropical Bachelor 93 Troubletimestwo 119 True Britannia 119 Trumpstoo 120 Turnham Green 1 Turn To Dreams 24 Ultimate 132x Uncle Bunge 88 Vain Betoli 1 Valentine Bay 1 Valid Point 45+ Veiled 120 Venture Capitalist 71 Veronicas Boy 100 Warrior One 108 Watergate 107+ Westlin' Winds 132 Windpfeil 90 Woodlark Island 85 Worth A King's 106 Zarinski 116 Zelos Diktator 90 Zepnove 115

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