slapdash Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I have a cunning theory! :loon I seem to remember somebody a while ago claiming that the big stacks seem to end up on the same table in the later stages of Boss MTTs more often than you'd expect by chance. I'm not one for "online poker is fixed" conspiracy theories, but I kind of had the feeling that it did often seem to be true. Playing in the Paradise league tonight, about half way through, the biggest stack at my table got moved to another table, and I got to thinking. When a table needs another player, there will tend to be a big stack there, because somebody at that table has just taken all of somebody else's chips, and the players who knock other players out tend to be big stacks anyway. So if the biggest stack from another table is moved there, then the big stacks would tend to congregate. I started to pay attention to who got moved from my table. It happened twice more, and both times it was the largest stack at the table! Now, I know this is probably just a meaningless coincidence, but I wonder if people could keep an eye out to see if this is what always/usually happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avongirl Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I think we were down to 2 tables tonight when I commented that all the short stacks were on our table. I think at that point I had 2000-odd chips and was the big stack on the table. Not too long after that all the big guns arrived (or did I move) and Mike was saying top 6 were on the table. How is it supposed to be decided who to move - is it randomly generated or should there be a rule? Isn't it based on position in a live game? :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I always thought that "table balancing" was exacty that. When the tables needed to lose or gain a player then the player moved would be the one that would make the total chip counts at each table as close as possible to equal. In fact it seems to be the opposite that is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I've seen this far too often for it to be a coincidence. I haven't paid that much attention to it as you have done Slapdash but even so its 'one of those things' with Boss Media I guess. :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Definitely been happening on Boss for as long as I can remember. They seem to funnel the players so that one table represents the expected final table and contains most of the big stacks. Seems a stupid idea to me, although there will be plusses and minuses depending on your point of view. This is the only site that I have noticed this...in fact I have noticed that Betfair seem to do a great job of balancing their tables so that numbers and stacks stay pretty well balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I doubt very much that they make a conscious decision to shepherd all the big stacks onto the same table. As I said, I think it may just be a consequence of the way they choose players to move. They might even have thought something like "Let's move the big stacks: that should be fairer, as the same players won't have to play against them all the time." Except that's not the way it works out. Anyway, another Boss tournament tonight. Let's see if it is true that it's always the table chip leader that gets moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss A Tourney Director in a live game (you know with real cards an all) will always take the next big blind regardless of stack size. I'm sure this could be incorporated into Boss's software, or is there a meaningful reason it isn't :unsure Jeez where is thepro19 when you need him, he would have sorted this little conundrum no problem :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Yeah pretty sure it was me that was complaining about boss doing this. And yes I notice they move the big largest stack onto the other table this usually cumulates in the largest stacks on one table. This is unfair; you have been playing well and have a big stack, bulling the smaller stacks, knowing you can go all in without major damage, then 10 minutes later the top 6 people in the tournament are on your table:@. You might still be winning but an all in against any of these people or a re-raise and you are in trouble. Where the small stacks on the other table are more likely to make the final table as they are tighter (possible and they know they are not far from the final table) and there are no big stacks to knock them out or bully them. They should do what MCFC said and follow the suit of the casino and move the next big blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss The method of always moving the next big blind has the advantage of being simple and straightforward, which is important for a live game, but not so important for an online game, where a much more complicated procedure could be used just as quickly. So I don't think online games should necessarily copy the live game rule if there is a "fairer" alternative. But they should be sure that their alternative really is better. It would be interesting to know how various poker sites do decide who moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Yep I've noticed this on Boss loads of times. It is always the big stack that gets moved from the table and when there are 2 tables left one table will have the majority of big stacks and the other will have the small stacks almost to the point where the biggest stack on the 'small' table would probably be 8th or 9th if it were moved to the big table. Seems completely unfair to me and Boss is the only platform it seems to happen on. Boss also seem to be the only platform where you can be the BB, get moved to another table and be the BB immediately again. Other networks seem to be much better and fairer at table balancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Boss also seem to be the only platform where you can be the BB, get moved to another table and be the BB immediately again. Other networks seem to be much better and fairer at table balancing. Agree with what everyone else has said, it seems to happen a lot. Re. the BB thing it happens on PKR too, once i had the BB 3 hands in a row from moving tables :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss One platform (I think it was William Hill's before their update) used to pause for approx 20 seconds whilst 'table balancing was in progress'. This seemed to give the impression that the software actually calculating something and re-allocating people on a fair basis. Whether it was or not is another question, but it seemed fairer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss This never affects me as I am never the big stack:lol, but I have seen it on Stars and the IPoker network aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpegasus Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss There was a time in last nights tournament, I think it was when there were 3 tables left with about 24-25 players when 6 of the top 7 chip stacks were on the same table. Mostly you have to feel sorry for the short stacks at that table - very difficult to play anything other than All In poker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss in the $ challenge last night and 14 left the top 6 (of which i was 4th) where all on the same table - the other stack on our table was 9th I had about 100K or so, the chip leader had about 250K it was fecking carnage! you had to be raising 6-8BB at least (1K/2K blinds) to get any respect at all (i.e only one caller not 4 to a 4BB raise....... LOL) I would have loved to be on the other table, the big stack there had about 50K and everyone between 6-20K or so - and they all were playing soooooo tight with the big stack clueless and folding every hand..... :eyes Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss In tonight's focus game, there were four times that a player was moved. All four times it was the player with the largest stack from the table(s) with most players. I don't know what happened when a whole table was broken up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Noticed this a lot on Boss network and decided to keep an eye on who moved from my table. It seemed to be the big blind, however sometimes my table could be two players short for a couple of rounds before a new player was diverted. (Conspiracy theorists out there may say that the other tables were waiting for the big blind to have a healthy chip stack) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Also on Boss network I have been moved to three different tables without playing a hand before :) And I mean no cards not folding them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Last night it was the button who got moved after the hand played out so I guess he could have been unfortunate in having to post the blinds in quick succession. Illogical Captain :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I remember 2 or 3 times having AA in MTT and before my turn comes, Im moved before hand is finished.How foked up is that? :eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I've been moved a couple of times to the BB and the hand plays out without me being able to see my cards! :eek Think that was on Prima sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Re: Table Balancing on Boss I hadn't realised how annoying (and unfair!) the table balancing was in Boss when playing satellites - 5 seats available - uber turbo - 20 left - and all the big stacks sat together on one table..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Re: Table Balancing on Boss Hadn't noticed this thread before but it has always seemed to me that when down to 2 tables all the big stacks are usually on the same table and I thought the software was made to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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