morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Gigabet Scores One from Tran Kenny Tran raised 17,000. Darrell "Gigabet" Dicken called. The flop was . Gigabet check-called a 50,000 bet from Tran. The turn was the and both players checked. The river was the . Gigabet checked and Tran bet 80,000. Gigabet went into the tank for a few minutes before he called. He showed and Tran mucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event "Woooo!" Flop: Bob Lauria pushed all-in on the flop against a single opponent. His opponent called and showed pocket tens while Lauria showed . The turn was the and the river was the , giving Lauria the flush. The other player was eliminated and Lauria became overly excited. He began yelling and cheering at the top of his lungs until Nolan announced over the speakers, "Someone get that man a Milwaukee's Best. And make it a cold one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Humberto Brenes Doubles Up Three players, including Humberto Brenes limped in and saw a flop of . The big blind bet 15,000 and only Brenes called. The turn was the . The big blind bet 38,500, the exact amount remaining in Brenes' stack, and Brenes called instantly. "You got me" said the big blind, showing . Brenes turned over and starting waving his famous "Chark" around, saying something about how the shark might be hungry as the ESPN cameras swarmed. The river was the , and Brenes doubled up to 153,000. GEET IN!!!! HAVE HUMBERTO IN MY DREAM TEAM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Shirley Williams Doubles Up Action folded around to Shirley Williams on the button, who raised to 13,000. Christian Togsverd, who had Williams well covered, re-raised all in from the big blind. Wiliams made the call for her remaining 71,000 and the players showed... Williams: Togsverd: The pocket Jacks of Shirley Williams held up and she doubled up to about 170,000. Christian Togsverd slips to 244,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Verma Doubles Through Mortensen Board: Raj Verma raises and Carlos Mortensen re-raises in the small blind. Verma re-pops all in for 69,000 and Mortensen calls, turning over . Verma has and it holds up. Mortensen is down to 420,000 and Verma has 155,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Rolf Slotboom Has Been Eliminated He made an all-in move from middle position with and was called by a player with pocket Tens. The flop gave Slotboom a...let's see...it gave him a backdoor flush draw. But the on the turn left him drawing dead and he was eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Cory Carroll Busts a Player After a flop of , the big blind checks, Cory Carroll bets 20,000, the big blind moves all in for about 56,000, and Carroll immediately calls with for two pair. The big blind shows for an open-ended straight draw, and he'll need to improve to survive. The last two cards are , and Carroll's two pair holds up to win the pot. The big blind is eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event I saw Steve Liu leave the tournament area after the break, so I assume he survived the bubble and busted shortly thereafter. Other Brits still in: Julian Gardner - 450k Willie Tann - 400k Bad Beat - 160k The ESPN feature table has been changed and I can't see John Duthie anywhere. As morlspin described, he'd taken a hit down to 105k, so it's possible he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Refund Not Necessary After a player in early position raised to 14,000 Kirk Morrison called in the cutoff, and Ken Webster then moved all-in for a total of 57K. The original raiser called and Morrison took a long time to think things through. "Do you have Ace-Queen?" Morrison asked, before making the call. Webster turned over and Morrison pulled back his chips and said, "I think I want my money back." Of course, heh heh, you can't change your mind like that Morrison tabled his . The two players saw an flop that did nothing to help Morrison's hand...but the hit on the turn and the on the river to deliver a brutal beat to Webster than sent him out of the Main Event. Morrison now has 445,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Kenny Tran Bluffs His Way to a Monster Pot Darrell "Gigabet" Dicken raised to 17,000 and Kenny Tran called from the button. The flop was and both players checked. The tun was the . Dicken bet 25,000, Tran raised to 96,000 and Dicken called. The river was the . Dicken checked, Tran bet 160,000 and Dicken folded. Tran showed for a stone cold bluff and raked in the monster pot. After the hand, he was back up over 1,000,000 chips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Tony Hachem eliminated Jon Kalmar raises to 15,000 and Tony Hachem moves all in for 42,000. Kalmar makes the call and opens Hachem has The flop comes giving Kalmar a world of outs and he hits his straight on the turn when the hits. The river is the and Tony starts celebrating. With a second glance at the board, he quickly realizes his Series has come to a conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event "The Matador" Wins Without a Showdown Action folded around to Carlos Mortensen in the cutoff seat who raised to 13,000. Joe Pharo made the call from the small blind and the two took a flop heads up... Pharo checked dark and Mortensen fired out 25,000. Pharo raised to 55,000 and Carlos pondered a bit. Eventually Mortensen silenty pushed out a raise making it 85,000 to see the turn. Pharo called and the turn brought the . Pharo checked and Mortensen bet 90,000. Pharo thought the better of it and tossed his cards in. Carlos "The Matador" Mortensen stacked the pot and is very much in the mix with 510,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Jett Runs Into Cowboys With all the money in preflop, Chip Jett's ran into Ken Evanowski's . Board: Jett lost quite a bit on the hand and is now down to just 93,000 in chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Celebrity Poker Showdown At Table #2, the random draw has moved actor Tobey Maguire (best known for playing Spiderman) to the immediate left of Sully Erna, the lead singer for Godsmack. Most celebrities bust from the Main Event long before the money bubble, so it's particularly unusual that these two would find themselves seated next to each other so close to the dinner break on Day 3. Both Maguire and Erna have played the Main Event the past few years, and occasional other events. Maguire reached the final table of the first-ever Bellagio Cup in the summer of 2005, before it was turned into a televised WPT event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Fabrice Soulier Doubles Up Fabrice Soulier moved all in for 80,000 pre-flop and Michael Tureniec called. Soulier turned over and was in a race situation with Tureniec's . The flop was , but Soulier spiked the on the turn to take the lead. The river was the , making Soulier two pair and he doubled up to 180,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Recent Eliminations: Places 590-610 The following players won $20,320: 590 Johnathan Stanton 591 Eddie Gravalese 592 UNKNOWN 593 Ryan Osborne 594 Joe Graziano 595 Rick Barabino 596 Frank Holloway 597 UNKNOWN 598 Joan Fernandez 599 Dean Hamrick 600 Patric Martensen 601 Michael Quist 602 Jan Sorensen 603 Jeremy Joseph 604 Lor Tran 605 Richard Warburg 606 Ole Bergan 607 Jeffrey Lowenhar 608 George Dolofan 609 Takeo Oishi 610 Joseph Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event The Armenian Express Stays on Track Board: Prelfop, in the small blind and the short stack, Chris "Armenian Express" Grigorian goes all in blind (eventually revealed to be ) and is called by Randal McLoughlin with . The board comes and Armenian Express doubles up to 30,000 with Men "The Master" Nguyen at his side cheering for a ten or a diamond after the turn. McLoughlin is down to 291,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Mr Heniek can you take over again please? im off to bed.........nite all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event 518th $25,101 Daniel Palmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event this is just fantastic - am really enjoying reading all this many many many thanks Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Courtesey of Gutshot.com comes this snippet of what happened on the bubble... PENALTY BOX With 622 players remaining there only needed to be one more elimination before the money. While this is a great time for someone with chips to accumulate more, there was one player who had different priorities. This gentleman, who was a previous winner of the prestigious Sweet Moustache Award, has a little bit of heart as well. The board was out and the river had brought along a third diamond. Sweet Moustache was on the button and was up against the big blind. The big blind checked, electing not to bet his final $6,000 or so. Moustache thought for a second and then checked as well turning up his Ace-Nine of diamonds. Wait a minute? The stone cold nuts? He checked with the stone cold nuts? Moustache didn't want to eliminate the other player in the hand. He was trying to be a nice guy by not being responsible for eliminating the final player before the money. Unfortunately, as a player from another table cried out,''He gets a penalty for that! He checked the nuts on the river! You can't do that! He needs to get a penalty!'' A floorman nearby had witnessed the scene as well and made his approach. Poor Moustache was having a laugh with the dealer over how he was just trying to be nice. The dealer didn't seem to think it was too wrong, she laughed along. The floorman approached Moustache and told him he would have to sit out for a round. He was being penalized for 'colluding'. Moustache was a little shocked, not realizing that he'd done anything wrong. One player at the table commented,''Hey don't worry about it man, it's just one round, what you did was really cool.'' Though his heart was in the right place, what he did was not really right. Though he had 'saved' one player, another player at a different table would have to pay the ultimate price instead, and how fair is that? The man who had been saved didn't dare look towards the tournament director during the ruling. -------------------- Personally I am amazed that he thought he had done nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event this is just fantastic - am really enjoying reading all this many many many thanks Damo My pleasure mate, 3 more days to come!!!!:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event PADDY POWERS ODDS TO MAKE FINAL TABLE Final Table = 9 PlayersDario Minieri 7 - 4Cyrus Farzad 16 - 1Daniel Quach 35 - 1Gus Hansen 5 - 2Steven Ma 16 - 1Ed de Haas 35 - 1Jeff Weiss 11 - 4Travis Belles 16 - 1Yuan-I Hsieh 40 - 1Kenny Tran 11 - 4John Spadavecchia 16 - 1Ben Lamb 40 - 1Robert Nehorayan 5 - 1Jose Severino 16 - 1Mickey "Mouse" Mills 40 - 1Jeff "Mr. Rain" Banghart 5 - 1Alan Keating 16 - 1Alexander Dietrich 40 - 1Hevad Khan 5 - 1Peter Darvill 16 - 1Eduardo Santi 40 - 1William Spadea 11 - 2Theodore Park 18 - 1Ken Gacek 40 - 1Atlan Nicolas 11 - 2Steve Ettenger 18 - 1Mike Souza 40 - 1Rep Porter 11 - 2Lamar Wilkinson 18 - 1Amanda Baker 40 - 1Brock Parker 11 - 2Sorel Mizzi 18 - 1Sylvester Geoghegan 40 - 1Clint Schafer 6 - 1Adam White 18 - 1David Names 40 - 1Francois Safieddine 6 - 1Brandon Adams 18 - 1Greg DeBora 40 - 1Jerry Yang 13 - 2Patrick Huse 18 - 1Kit Manoel 40 - 1James Williams 13 - 2Randy Holland 18 - 1Sang Kim 40 - 1Jon Kalmar 13 - 2Rox Winston 18 - 1Derek Thorpe 40 - 1Phillip Lion 7 - 1Chris Overgard 18 - 1Mimi Tran 40 - 1Andrew Barnes 7 - 1Chris Lovelace 18 - 1Yuval Friedman 50 - 1Conor Tate 7 - 1Deb Blair 18 - 1Brent Sheirbon 50 - 1Isaac Haxton 15 - 2Raj Verma 18 - 1Fred Reyes 50 - 1Lars Bonding 15 - 2Richard Harris 18 - 1Veronica Dabol 50 - 1Pete de Best 8 - 1Jac Arama 20 - 1John Ambrust 50 - 1Bart Hanson 8 - 1Steven Garfinkle 20 - 1Matt Schepsky 50 - 1Sverre Sundbo 8 - 1Stigtop Rasmussen 20 - 1Karlo Lopez 50 - 1Bill Edler 8 - 1Dave O'Neil 20 - 1Noah Schwartz 50 - 1Jon Moonves 8 - 1Alex Kravchenko 20 - 1Billy Baxter 50 - 1John Bird 8 - 1Adam Weiss 20 - 1Scott Mayfield 50 - 1Huckleberry Seed 8 - 1Scotty Nguyen 20 - 1Frank Schram 50 - 1Kristian Obbanus 9 - 1Daniel Elizondo 20 - 1Luis Velador 50 - 1Justin Rollo 9 - 1Danny Smith 22 - 1Steve Crockett 50 - 1Christian Togsverd 9 - 1Karam Vegas 22 - 1Rick Munro 50 - 1Darrell Dicken 9 - 1Willie Tann 22 - 1Jason Glass 50 - 1Robert Damiano 9 - 1David Wells 22 - 1Justin Sellers 50 - 1Scott Freeman 9 - 1Terris Preston 25 - 1Ken Stead 50 - 1Kirk Morrison 10 - 1Laughlin McKinnon 25 - 1Mitch Garshofsky 50 - 1Justin Sadauskas 10 - 1Ray Henson 25 - 1Pat Atchison 50 - 1Bjorn-Erik Glenne 10 - 1Robert Starkey 25 - 1Vinny Jadav 50 - 1Steve Austin 10 - 1Warren Karp 25 - 1Hasan Habib 50 - 1Billy Willis 10 - 1Ayaz Mahmood 25 - 1Al Riccbono 50 - 1Richard Weisman 10 - 1Allan Levin 25 - 1Daniel Schleber 50 - 1Ryan Lawrence 10 - 1Jared Hamby 25 - 1Gregory Owen 50 - 1Thomas Barnard 10 - 1Art Cole 25 - 1Terry Magill 50 - 1Kevin Kim 10 - 1Humberto Brenes 25 - 1Peter Hill 66 - 1Sven Abelsson Runing 10 - 1Dag Martin Mikkelsen 25 - 1Mans Montgomery 66 - 1Brett Kimes 11 - 1David Tran 25 - 1Al Riccobono 66 - 1Josh Evans 11 - 1Kenny Rumdh 25 - 1Dolph Arnold 66 - 1Matthew Olin 11 - 1Liana Hakopian 25 - 1Javier Gonzalo 66 - 1Elie Said 11 - 1Matthew Hilger 25 - 1Brian de Bruijn 66 - 1Hong Nguyen 11 - 1Phi Tran 25 - 1Nick Binger 66 - 1Tom Peterson 11 - 1Sam Simon 25 - 1Steve Dargenio 66 - 1Peter "Nordberg" Feldman 11 - 1Paul Spitzberg 28 - 1Donnacha O'Dea 66 - 1Henry Ma 11 - 1Randal McLoughlin 28 - 1Wayne Johnson 66 - 1Thierry van den Berg 11 - 1Adam Noone 28 - 1Salvatore Passariello 66 - 1Tommy Le 11 - 1Imran Ahmad 28 - 1Sully Erna 66 - 1Julian Gardner 11 - 1Stephen Lynch 28 - 1Tinten Olivier 66 - 1Jason Lester 11 - 1Markus Gonsalves 28 - 1Andy Stocker 66 - 1Ken Evanowski 12 - 1Rick Murnick 28 - 1Berry Johnston 66 - 1Jimmy Blevins 12 - 1Ut Nguyen 28 - 1Hans "Tuna" Lund 80 - 1Carlos Mortensen 12 - 1Marco Mills 30 - 1Alexander Johnotf 80 - 1Zachary Clark 12 - 1Raymond Rahme 30 - 1Nasser Hamedani 80 - 1Alfred Megrabyan 12 - 1Bryan Adams 30 - 1Jared Okun 80 - 1Cody Slaubaugh 12 - 1David Levi 30 - 1Gnalter Salles 80 - 1Thomas Koo 12 - 1Mikkel Madsen 30 - 1John Matwey 80 - 1Cory Carroll 12 - 1Joe Brandenburg 30 - 1Tobey Maguire 80 - 1Tuan Lam 12 - 1Mickey Seagle 30 - 1Mike Laing 80 - 1Karga Holt 12 - 1Stephen O'Dwyer 30 - 1Carl Olson 100 - 1Matt Sterling 12 - 1Lewis Pilkington 30 - 1Kevin Howatt 100 - 1Chad Brown 12 - 1Jeff Norman 30 - 1Christoph Stiehler 100 - 1Robert Varkonyi 12 - 1Diego Cordovez 30 - 1Sean Boles 100 - 1Jim Lucas 14 - 1Leo Boxell 30 - 1Roy Vandersluis 100 - 1Kelly Jo McGlothlin 14 - 1Seymour Gaiherson 33 - 1Andrew Barton 125 - 1Kenneth Smith 14 - 1Ryan Elson 33 - 1Angie Italiano 125 - 1Stefan Mattsson 14 - 1Daniel Alaei 33 - 1Gary Benson 125 - 1Lee Watkinson 14 - 1Kyle Davis 35 - 1Andre Grimason 125 - 1Senovio Ramirez III 14 - 1Will Wilkinson 35 - 1Nils Ersson 150 - 1Steven Jacobs 14 - 1Lee Biddulph 35 - 1Vandy Krouch 150 - 1Maria Ho 14 - 1Bob Poole 35 - 1Matt Smith 150 - 1Matt Keikoan 14 - 1James Campbell 35 - 1Laurence Hughes 150 - 1Cliff Pappas 14 - 1Brian Miller 35 - 1Pierre Bounahara 150 - 1Hal Lubarsky 14 - 1Kyu Cho 35 - 1Sam Khouiss 175 - 1Thor Hansen 14 - 1Ronald Kluber 35 - 1Tom McCormick 200 - 1Jason Sell 16 - 1Mark Weitzman 35 - 1Claude Cohen 200 - 1Alex Melnikow 16 - 1Mark Muchnik 35 - 1Lasse Aspen Melby 300 - 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robilaruk Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event wow - Paddy are generous.... Damo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Courtesey of Gutshot.com comes this snippet of what happened on the bubble... PENALTY BOX With 622 players remaining there only needed to be one more elimination before the money. While this is a great time for someone with chips to accumulate more, there was one player who had different priorities. This gentleman, who was a previous winner of the prestigious Sweet Moustache Award, has a little bit of heart as well. The board was out and the river had brought along a third diamond. Sweet Moustache was on the button and was up against the big blind. The big blind checked, electing not to bet his final $6,000 or so. Moustache thought for a second and then checked as well turning up his Ace-Nine of diamonds. Wait a minute? The stone cold nuts? He checked with the stone cold nuts? Moustache didn't want to eliminate the other player in the hand. He was trying to be a nice guy by not being responsible for eliminating the final player before the money. Unfortunately, as a player from another table cried out,''He gets a penalty for that! He checked the nuts on the river! You can't do that! He needs to get a penalty!'' A floorman nearby had witnessed the scene as well and made his approach. Poor Moustache was having a laugh with the dealer over how he was just trying to be nice. The dealer didn't seem to think it was too wrong, she laughed along. The floorman approached Moustache and told him he would have to sit out for a round. He was being penalized for 'colluding'. Moustache was a little shocked, not realizing that he'd done anything wrong. One player at the table commented,''Hey don't worry about it man, it's just one round, what you did was really cool.'' Though his heart was in the right place, what he did was not really right. Though he had 'saved' one player, another player at a different table would have to pay the ultimate price instead, and how fair is that? The man who had been saved didn't dare look towards the tournament director during the ruling. -------------------- Personally I am amazed that he thought he had done nothing wrong. I agree that this shouldn't be allowed, but I don't think it's actually "colluding" unless he has some kind of agreement with the big blind. Takes two to collude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event Lets face it, regardless of what he did there, the short stack aint gonna call when he has enough for the small blind anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted July 13, 2007 Author Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event They made a point before this started that this would be a penalty - I knew about it and I wasn't there!!! This guy should have made himself aware of the rules, and especially the rules they were making a point of!!! There was a similar style of play last night in the Betfair WSOPE freeroll with 10 left (9 seats) - had both tables open - one table had players who were openly talking about soft playing and slow playing, the big stack was checking down the hands, the other table was playing properly, and the big stack (staffy) was bullying the short stacks out of the hands ...... I was really hoping that the bubbler came from the "colluding" table, and it did, but unfortunately it was a PL'r :sad I don't understand why people feel a loyalty to someone they don't know, sat on their table, above someone they dont know sat on another table.... If I'd been on the table playing properly, I'd bubbled and I saw what happened on the other table, I wouldn't have been happy and would have been asking Betfair to look into it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event There was a similar style of play last night in the Betfair WSOPE freeroll with 10 left (9 seats) - had both tables open - one table had players who were openly talking about soft playing and slow playing, the big stack was checking down the hands, I think that is a bit different, though. If they suggested soft playing, then that is colluding. If you spontaneously soft play from some misguided feeling that you're being nice, then that's wrong, but I don't think it's ethically as bad as colluding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofjoe Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event I don't understand why people feel a loyalty to someone they don't know' date=' sat on their table, above someone they dont know sat on another table.... [/quote'] So if you knew him ? you would collude ? ... if Slapdash was in the WSOP and you knew you could bust him out on the bubble, are you saying you would, or wouldn't ? I know I wouldn't bust him out ... (as the other guy would probably have more potential for greatness anyway !! :tongue2 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Re: WSOP Main Event So if you knew him ? you would collude ? ... if Slapdash was in the WSOP and you knew you could bust him out on the bubble' date=' are you saying you would, or wouldn't ?[/quote'] I'm sure he would. (I'd kill him if he didn't and I found out he could have! :@) There's a difference between understanding and condoning. I could "understand" somebody committing perjury to save a friend, where I couldn't understand them doing it to save a complete stranger, but it doesn't mean I think it's right in either case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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