Trotter Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I see that Telecaster and Sir Dragonet have both been supplemented for the Derby at a reported fee of around 80,000 quid each On the face of it that sounds like a pretty hefty thumbs up from connections that they think they've got a really good chance I wonder if there are any stats anywhere as to how horses supplemented at a late stage and for a lot of money go on in the Derby ? O'Brien has 8 horses left in ……… now if he's advising that they supplement Sir Dragonet is that a tacit admission that he doesn't think any of his other 7 are likely winners? Madhmoon is 14/1 with a few firms . Looks a decent EW bet for a horse that was unbeaten at 2 including a group 2 win and which was a running on 4th in the Guineas There used to be a saying '4th in the Guineas, win the Derby' …………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Trotter said: There used to be a saying '4th in the Guineas, win the Derby' …………. Jesus that must be a while ago Trotter, no horse 4th in the guineas has gone on to win the Derby for at least 20 years that I can find. I think Generous did it back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted May 28, 2019 Author Share Posted May 28, 2019 Yes, BH …….. it probably is ! I just googled to see if there was any reference to the saying and only last week Alex Hammond was writing on the Sporting Life site about Mahdmoon and said …… 'The 2000 Guineas has in the past been considered one of the best Derby trials (fourth in the Guineas, first in the Derby as the old saying goes) and this boy did well to finish fourth at Newmarket despite racing up the middle of the track' So I guess it must have happened a few times to become 'a thing' Generous was one of my all time favourites ……. I've got the book about him by Marcus Armitage. What a gorgeous horse ! BillyHills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Rated .... Sir drogonet 256 Broome 250 Only these 2 have come anywhere near the 260 average .....Brooke over 10f and sir dragonet over 12f very very easily .....seems very straight forward ....3/1 looks very good value Sir dragonet 10pts win 3/1 lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Previous Winners All 3yo carrying 9st Trends 10/10 ran within 55 days (9 within 35 days) 9/10 Irish bred 8/10 drawn 10 or lower 7/10 rated 110 or higher 19/21 1st or 2nd last time 17/22 First 3 in the betting 21/22 Ran once or twice this season (the other making debut) 19/22 never ran beyond 10f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 10/10 ran within 55 days (9 within 35 days) All qualify9/10 Irish bred We lose Horoshima, Humanitarian, Japan, Telecaster8/10 drawn 10 or lower We lose Bangkok, Sir Dragonet, Japan7/10 rated 110 or higher We lose Norway, Sovereign19/21 1st or 2nd last time We lose Line Of Duty, Madhmoon17/22 First 3 in the betting We lose Circus Maximus Selection 1pt Broome 9/2 William Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Ratings 1pt EW Anthony Van Dyk 9/1 bet365 yossa6133 and Alley Cat Glover 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yossa6133 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Got to be the fav for me, very visually impressive last time. Saver on Bangkok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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