NoFear Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I have recently been successful with a system and it has fair returns over a large sample size. The only problem is I am required to make around 50 or so bets per day. And as u can tell, it wont fair well with the bookmakers. I tried to put the system into practice today and after x20 £10 bets, the different bookies started referring me to traders. I am not limited just yet on other sports but horse-racing bets are being referred. Maybe it's because I always place my bets around 9AM and there is not enough volume for afternoon races so my bets stand out? Unlikely, cos I am aware that some here even bet the day before. I am sure that my accounts are fine for now but wont be if I keep betting so many bets every day. My question is how do I place a huge volume of £10 bets at online bookmakers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidymac Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? Betfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? Betfair. nope. System has a decent return but if paying 5% commission, the advantage is miniscule. (smarkets and betdaq are a no either as they only get liquidity near off by which time the value is gone) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidymac Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? nope. System has a decent return but if paying 5% commission' date=' the advantage is miniscule. (smarkets and betdaq are a no either as they only get liquidity near off by which time the value is gone)[/quote'] For my market movers I have an account with every bookmaker that offers best odds guaranteed and just keep spreading my bets around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? For my market movers I have an account with every bookmaker that offers best odds guaranteed and just keep spreading my bets around. Yeah, I was also intending to spread the £10 bets around if I can. So more to the point, which bookies have people found to be accomodating when placing a lot of £10 bets everyday? Coral doesnt seem to be keen, williamhill seems fine for now though I am not sure of long term repurcussions. Basically my question is - its inevitable that all accounts will get limited one day, especially if you are arbing, etc. But will the accounts get limited when all you are doing is placing £10 bets albeit a lot of them (on different races of course) ? What bookmakers have people found to be best when it comes to horse-racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidymac Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? Yeah' date=' I was also intending to spread the £10 bets around if I can. So more to the point, which bookies have people found to be accomodating when placing a lot of £10 bets everyday? Coral doesnt seem to be keen, williamhill seems fine for now though I am not sure of long term repurcussions. Basically my question is - its inevitable that all accounts will get limited one day, especially if you are arbing, etc. But will the accounts get limited when all you are doing is placing £10 bets albeit a lot of them (on different races of course) ?[/quote'] I have been placing €20 bets around for a long time and have yet to be limited. Maybe because I am not taking top price as I am backing market movers? Might be a different story if I was backing at top price. I find Paddy Power, Sky Bet, Bet Victor, Coral, Bet365, Hills, Betfred, Boylesports, Stan James all accomodating myself. The key though is the staking, if your winning too much you will be limited, £10 bets should be fine, give it a go and see how you fare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? The key though is the staking, if your winning too much you will be limited, £10 bets should be fine, give it a go and see how you fare. i did. It didnt fare well with a couple of bookies. (Coral, ladbrokes, bet365 I am looking at you). A few others seem to be fine for now. Maybe because I have been up after a few months. Still didn't think £10 bets would leave a huge hole in their pockets with all the other offers they do regularly and ones I am not taking advantage of. Maybe its the early price thats the issue, since even at 9AM, betfair liquidity is not too great and bookies odds, though not the best price, are still better while the exchange market is forming. Still never got round the fact how people on here manage to get the early price the night before without having their accounts looked at. Also, all bets are £10 in size regardless of whether the odds are 2/1 or 10/1. Nevertheless, it's only a £10 bet and even a £10 shot will come in once in a while and they won't have to pay more than £100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeblitz Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? For those of you who put faith in betting accounts - good luck!!! You are not allowed to win and as long as you have an account you are monitored. Perhaps betting in small amounts such as 10s and 20s is ok from their point of view? You could join betfair where you can place bets on the fixed odds, it's some bookmaker where you pay no commission on winnings as opposed to the exchange market. Powers seem to be ok about taking bigger bets so long as you don't bet each way while Ladbrokes in my opinion should be avoided at all costs unless you find a loophole like I have;). I have a strategy for getting big money on when I want, anonymously. It involves time and planning and I may lose out on some of the fractions but the reward is proper profit! Anyone wanting to have a bet, be it £10, £100, £10000 or whatever needs to know they will get on and how they should get on. Should even a portion of the bet be refused the whole thing is spoiled. The whole thing from a bookmakers point of view is liability. The shops will never refuse 10 or 20. To get 100 on depends on the price but should also not be a problem but anything 4 figures or above does require thought and planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? thx joeblitz. betfair sportsbook restricts heavily. I m limited to a quid there. Now that I have a winning long-term system, I actually need to find a way to get money on. Shops are fine for mugs who place £10 bets, but my system requires me to make 50-100 £10 bets and If I placed that in shops, I would go crazy. Anyway, forget my system. Even if there was no system, the point of this thread is that it is getting really hard to even bet £10-£20 on horse-racing online. Considered betbutler but they charge 3% commission. Overall, exchanges are not the solution to volume bettors like me (much like with asian books and football). I bet a lot of volume for a 5% yield. Nothing to sniff at but it has taken years to get to this level, however, now i need to find a way to actually make the flipping bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPLouis Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? thx joeblitz. betfair sportsbook restricts heavily. I m limited to a quid there. Now that I have a winning long-term system, I actually need to find a way to get money on. Shops are fine for mugs who place £10 bets, but my system requires me to make 50-100 £10 bets and If I placed that in shops, I would go crazy. Anyway, forget my system. Even if there was no system, the point of this thread is that it is getting really hard to even bet £10-£20 on horse-racing online. Considered betbutler but they charge 3% commission. Overall, exchanges are not the solution to volume bettors like me (much like with asian books and football). I bet a lot of volume for a 5% yield. Nothing to sniff at but it has taken years to get to this level, however, now i need to find a way to actually make the flipping bets. I don't bet on horse-racing (except occasionally following someone's tip, which invariably loses :lol), but if you really have got a winning long-term system for making money on betting, I'm sure you will find a way of getting your bets on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? I don't bet on horse-racing (except occasionally following someone's tip' date=' which invariably loses :lol), but if you really have got a winning long-term system for making money on betting, I'm sure you will find a way of getting your bets on.[/quote'] well, I am struggling to get that kind of volume on, on horse-racing atm. Dont know if I will find a way. I know people get their friends to bet for them and what not but thats not how I roll. Besides, cos of the volume, I cant bet in shops as well. So dont know what to do really. I am praying for a pinnacle, sbobet solution for horse-racing :wall Besides its not a system with a enormous yields so exchanges commission are too high. And with that volume, wont be too long before betfair come knocking on my door asking for the premium charge payment of 70%. The days we live in eh? I keep reading everywhere that punters have never had it so good. Thats I lie imo. Yes, BOG and other offer are good, but not if you cant get a tenner on. TBH I wish they bin the BOG and other offers, and just let us punters bet a decent amount against their professional traders like it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeblitz Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? Well my point is that the easiest way to get money on is not to arouse suspicion and in doing so, ensure that you get on the amount you want to get on. I think your options are: 1. As you are with the online accounts (I have given my opinion on this and it's not for me). 2. Spread it around in the offices whether by yourself (which I recommend) or through friends. Doing it yourself requires time and planning but at the same time only you are guaranteed to look after your own interests. In my case, doing it this way would usually involve one horse - a smash and grab job but I would be fairly frustrated should it involve multiple horses for small stakes. Remember to every problem there is always a good positive solution. Good Luck Anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing Bailey Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? All of the main methods all have their ups and downs but maybe you should consider all 3, albeit it would take a lot of planning. As far as I can count there are 9 proper BOG bookies. That in its self means 5-6 £10 bets on each a day. Across 50 bets they are more than likely to have 5-6 at top/joint top price. The ones that dont appear to like you, do a couple less, the ones that do appear to be ok with your methods do a couple more if needs be. For any that you cant get on or are worried about closing you down either use the non BOG bookies and spread them around or go to your local shop and put on 4 or 5 there. If you still struggle after that then maybe place 1 or 2 on the exchanges. I hear what your saying with the commission, but if it is the odd one or two you will probably be ok, especially if your systems allows you to assess the least likely of the best to come in. It would be a right old pain in the arse but once you got a routine sorted it might not be too bad, depends on your personal situation and how much time you have. As for it being quick and easy to go to just one or two firms, its never going to happen and I don't blame them tbh. At the end of the day, their game is all about profit too and if I was in their shoes I would be doing the exact same thing. If I had the liquidity I probably would! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? Maybe your asking the impossible? Over 50 £10 bets a day! All at around 9am, i mean its not your ordinary punter is it? One quick way to be limited is to stick out from the crowd. If you insist on sticking with the system then i'd settle for less profit by lowering the stakes even more, any profit is better than none. I'm guessing your taking the best prices too. Cant you bet them later in the day when the markets have settled down, your less likely to be barred if your not nicking the value all the time, again its better to win a bit less as over time it will pay off. I know for a fact if you put them on in the high street at that rate you will be logged within days, its the turnover they base it on, not the profit you are making. If your stakes amount to a certain percentage of the shops take the staff will be asked questions by those above. If they work out your betting certain types you will be asked to take them elsewhere. Where i live there are 15 shops for one firm in a 5 mile radius, you will be amazed how quick the word spreads between the shops once someone starts betting patterns especially early in the day. Try at lunch time when its busy for example, don't put the bets on all in one go, don't put them all on single slips. I know a guy who employs a dozen people to put bets on at the same time in different locations, he pays them 2.5% of the profit any bet makes and he still gets knock backs and cant get all the money on. He started out online and got all his accounts shut down within a month. You just have to settle for the drip feed approach and not get greedy too soon i'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedar Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? You could join betfair where you can place bets on the fixed odds, it's some bookmaker where you pay no commission on winnings as opposed to the exchange market. But doesn't Betfair also limit you if you are winning on their fixed odds market (of course, they don't on the exchange)?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFear Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Re: Placing a high volume of low limit bets at online bookmakers? But doesn't Betfair also limit you if you are winning on their fixed odds market (of course' date=' they don't on the exchange)?!!![/quote'] yes they do and also for exchange u have premium charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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