Derek 'Tommo' Thompson

[royalbelle]

Derek Thompson: 89 tips 72 losers. The essence of the tipster's art has always been to convince the gullible that the bookies can be bashed and that enormous profits are just around the corner. In Flann O'Brien's 1939 novel At Swim Two Birds, this approach is memorably captured in a letter written by a certain Vernie Wright, a tipster with a Newmarket address. 'Bounty Queen was indeed a great disappointment,' Vernie writes, 'but anybody leaving me now because of bad luck would indeed be a "puzzler". You had the losers, why not row in and make a packet over the winners that are now our due. SENSATIONAL NEWS has reached me that certain interests have planned a gigantic coup involving a certain animal who has been saved for the past month. To all my friends forwarding 6d and two SAE's I will present this THREE-STAR CAST-IRON PLUNGER and we will have the win of our lives and all the bad luck forgotten.' Six decades on, sixpence and a stamped addressed envelope have given way to the premium-rate phonecall, but the flow of money from punter to bookmaker has never been interrupted. 'All horseplayers die broke,' wrote Damon Runyon in 1938. A select few professional tipsters are in a position to disagree. One is Melvyn Collier, the Racing Post's Pricewise correspondent, who will soon join the ranks of those with private subscription services. By limiting his advice to a handful of races every week, those for which the bookmakers offer morning prices, Collier has turned a profit for eight successive years. The only secret, he says, is assiduous study of the form book - and that would also apply to the country's top (and very expensive) tipping lines, Isiris and Marten Julian. Another tipster with a Newmarket address is Derek Thompson, better known as a Channel 4 racing presenter. Asked for an opinion on the merits of his fellow tipster, Collier hesitated. And then he laughed. Read on, and you'll discover why. Clean-cut, forever smiling and keen to please - if Derek Thompson was a novel he'd be something by Barbara Cartland. His Channel 4 Racing bosses admire him because they know that if a 90-second gap appears, Thompson will ad lib 90 seconds precisely. 'Tommo' sells himself expertly as the punter's pal. On our evidence he's anything but. Tommo brings this same effortless quality to his other job, that of professional tipster. Flick through the Racing Post and you will find him, along with many others, casting his net for more customers. Need some tips for Royal Ascot? Tommo can oblige. Just call 0901 5638238 and, for 60p a minute, you're sorted. If you have an aversion to premium-rate telephone numbers, you can pay up front, £199.99 per year, to join the Derek Thompson Racing Club and get access to a non-premium line. There's even a visit to a Newmarket yard thrown in, an opportunity to see Tommo in the flesh. As Tommo says: 'Shame on you if you haven't joined!' But if you're the cautious type, the kind who prefers to try before you buy, there's no shame in not joining. Far from it. In the spirit of punter solidarity, Observer Sport called Thompson's tipping line every day for four consecutive weeks, as well as those of two of his rivals. We staked a notional £50 to win on each selection and put a stopwatch on every call. Of the 89 horses tipped by Thompson - many of them obvious and short-priced - 72 were beaten. Even though he was 40p a minute cheaper than his two rivals, one call to his line can still cost four times as much the Racing Post . Thompson seems to believe that his callers live in a land where newspapers have been suppressed and he is the source of all information. 'I've got very good news,' he said during the second week, when he was tipping at Pontefract, as though it would never have occurred to anyone that In Space, the 5-4 favourite in the 2.45, might be in with a chance. The horse finished fifth, the same as Puffin, Thompson's tip in the 4.20. After asserting that Benedectine would 'take the beating', he moved on to a lengthy plug for his racing club. Benedictine was second. Three tips, three losers, but for Thompson, there was no need for an explanation. Had he backed any of the three himself? Did he feel his callers' pain? We can, perhaps, deduce something from the words with which he greeted his regulars the next morning. 'Hi, it's Tommo - and I've got some good news.' It was as if Pontefract had never happened. One of Thompson's rival services, The Sweeney, is more into bombast than intrigue. Every tip is 'a pearler' that will put his clients 'in clover', every defeat attributable to factors beyond his control: the jockey, the misleading going, the 25-1 shot that should never have been there. His faith in his own powers would be touching, were it not so misguided. 'I have no doubt whatsoever about the victory of Dubai Seven Stars,' he said on 17 May. Only 'an act of God' could stop this filly. Step forward that act of God in the shape of Arrive, the winner at 6-1. After tipping four losers, The Sweeney will admit to being 'not totally inspired by the profits'. In week two, he made 24 selections, but the real story was not that 19 of them were beaten, it was that learning their identity cost £64.75, or £2.69 for every tip. At 71p per tip, Thompson was practically benevolent by comparison. The Sweeney was a master of the delaying tactic. He didn't quite reveal what he had had for breakfast, but it was close. 'Without further ado, let's skate over to Ripon,' he said one day. 'Well, not in a literal sense, of course, but with your newspapers, or whatever...' The third tipster we followed, Henry Ponsonby, stressed almost daily that he rides out for Mick Channon, but otherwise played a straight bat. He still ran up losses of £748.10. Over the four weeks, Thompson's tips resulted in a loss of £1,846.05, which rose to £1,921.37, with the cost of calls. Fighting off stiff competition from The Sweeney, he was confirmed as our survey's worst telephone tipster of the four weeks we covered only on the last day of 25, thanks to a clean sweep of five losers at Newbury and Thirsk, including 11-8 and 7-4 favourites. Of course, it may have been a bad four weeks for our selected tipsters, and they may not be alone in that. Fourteen of Thompson's 17 winners were returned at 3-1 or worse; five were odds-on. In short, they were never going to put callers ahead of the game. In the Channel 4 Racing Guide to Form and Betting , Thompson's advice to readers is brief: 'Never bet odds-on - it's as simple as that.' If only. On 11 May, Thompson plumbed the depths by tipping two 4-6 shots, both of which were beaten. On Friday, Thompson defended his tipping line: 'If people don't like the service, then don't ring.' Asked how much he thought callers should have on his tips, he said, 'At the most, a fiver.' Did he back his own selections? That, said Tommo, was 'a very personal question'. When pressed, he replied that he invested his own money 'as often as I see fit'.

[danoxford]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson I happened to see his "tips" floated around Twitter six or seven months ago, and having read a little in the past about the, er, success of his service, I thought I'd paper trade them for laying for a few weeks. I tweeted him the results - in a jovial, banter-ish manner, I must add - his response? Join in the banter? "Very drole, I haven't had much luck recently" etc.? Nope. He responded with questioning whether I was at work right now (due to my Twitter profile showing my employment with a bookmaker) and said he'd "get me the sack so fast my feet wouldn't touch the ground". I told him that no, I wasn't at work right now, and that I was pretty sure there wasn't anything in my contract that stopped me from engaging in debate with other human beings. He called me some names then deleted his messages. Guilty conscience?! :D But in all seriousness, you'd make back his premium charges and more if you laid the lot of them.

[jayalexander]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson Most tipsters are shit anyway. Why have a tipping line to increase your profits and potentially drive a price down rather than increase your stake? Only one reason - they are losers!

[mowgli77]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson There is a twitter campaign to stop rogue tipsters and Tommo deservedly gets a boat load of abuse. I still get mailshots now to sign up to tipping services and they go straight in the bin. I tried a few when I was about 19 and they were tipping up 6-5 and 13-8 shots, often that lost. I actually think there should be some kind of law that a service like Tommos that is clearly failing the punters should be stopped or at least the figures month to month should be published in the Racing Post to highlight the best and worst tipping services. If there was a spreadsheet showing Tommos disastrous strike rates and losses it might put people off ringing. Maybe this already exists with tipping services having to proof their results? The main criticism I'd have is the lack of personal responsibility from those tipping losers, even the successful punters that do well. It's always the jockeys fault, the ground or some other influence. I believe you have to learn from your mistakes but if you never admit to making them how can you ever develop and improve?

[The Saint]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson As I get older, I am struggling to have much sympathy with anyone that is stupid enough to ring tipping lines. They are, at best, no better than the average tipster on BBOTD - and that's being very, very generous. At the age of 19/20 I tried them... Penny Fitch-Heyes I think - there were 100s of them to choose from. The worst thing was that she got off to a great start and I muct have been sucked in for at least a couple of months. I was young and stupid (no offence to any 19/20 y.o's!) I guess people ring them through naivity and greed. It's a free market place and I don't think you can blame Thommo etc for using his profile to pray on the weak. That's sounds incredibly harsh but noone is holding a gun to peoples heads just as Bookmakers don't force people onto FOBTs either. I'm probably sounding incredibly mean but if it wasn't for losing punters that phone tipping lines etc then the winning punters wouldn't be able to win! I mean it's not the Bookmakers money we are hopefully winning - it's the losing punters money - the bookie just acts as a middle man and take their cut. I have some sympathy with adicts but having a very addictive personality myself, I am fortunatly blessed with enough intelligence to know there are no short cuts and that bloody hard work is ultimatly the only way to make the game pay. Hope this post isn't too offensive to anyone but I find it hard to believe that many people on here use tipping lines to be honest. Hope not!!

[mowgli77]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson

As I get older, I am struggling to have much sympathy with anyone that is stupid enough to ring tipping lines. They are, at best, no better than the average tipster on BBOTD - and that's being very, very generous. At the age of 19/20 I tried them... Penny Fitch-Heyes I think - there were 100s of them to choose from. The worst thing was that she got off to a great start and I muct have been sucked in for at least a couple of months. I was young and stupid (no offence to any 19/20 y.o's!) I guess people ring them through naivity and greed. It's a free market place and I don't think you can blame Thommo etc for using his profile to pray on the weak. That's sounds incredibly harsh but noone is holding a gun to peoples heads just as Bookmakers don't force people onto FOBTs either. I'm probably sounding incredibly mean but if it wasn't for losing punters that phone tipping lines etc then the winning punters wouldn't be able to win! I mean it's not the Bookmakers money we are hopefully winning - it's the losing punters money - the bookie just acts as a middle man and take their cut. I have some sympathy with adicts but having a very addictive personality myself, I am fortunatly blessed with enough intelligence to know there are no short cuts and that bloody hard work is ultimatly the only way to make the game pay. Hope this post isn't too offensive to anyone but I find it hard to believe that many people on here use tipping lines to be honest. Hope not!!

Your last line kind of hits on the point that when you and I were 19/20 there weren't great betting forums around like today. You are 38 going by your profile, I'm 34. I used to have to look at ceefax for results or teletext channel 4 page 561 as you'll no doubt remember. I was certainly naive at the time rather than greedy and if your knowledge of racing is limited at that time you have no idea how scammers, tipsters etc work. How many on here will know about the brown envelope trick as you enter a racecourse? In many ways I agree with you that in 2012 people shouldn't be wasting money on tipping lines/services and that is probably down to greed rather than naivety when so much info is available to you these days at the touch of a button. I'd rather put the effort in myself to find a winner or loser and fully accept responsibility than pay someone else to basically do the form study or try and brag about a whisper they have heard on the gallops. You'll still see the mug punters in the bookies and on course with their sun newspaper racing section and it is them more likely to be ringing tipping lines than the fella with his head buried in the form section of the RP.

[Aidymac]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson And he is an even worse commentator!!! :lol Why pay for tipsters when you can have Hugh Taylor and Tom Segal for free? Don't understand it...

[Lars]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson

Most tipsters are shit anyway. Why have a tipping line to increase your profits and potentially drive a price down rather than increase your stake? Only one reason - they are losers!

Think you're overlooking the fact that most successful punters struggle to 'get on' at fair stakes, so use a Tipping service of some sort to bring in another income.

[Trotter]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson If you're interested in rerading about tipping lines, the good, the bad and the ugly........this is a cracking site......... http://www.puntersverdict.co.uk/Home.php Punters Verdict To receive the current weekly issue you have to register but if you click on 'Latest Cases' you can read all the backdated issues up to the last week

[Jimmy2shoes]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson Its Simple.......Avoid them. That's a free Tip from me. Tommo's catch phrase before EVERY race.........Yipp i think, he'l take the world of beating. lol

[erhaab1965]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson The original post was published well over 10 years ago , so the performance figures may well be significantly different a decade on. It mentions that Pricewise was about to launch his own private tipping service on the back of a fantastic 2001, it ended up being called Priceless Advice which was rubbish and lasted a little more than a year. Melvyn Collier subsequently went back to the Racing Post as a weekly columnist.

[corky]

Re: Derek 'Tommo' Thompson there are literally hundreds of tipping lines being advertised daily, it costs money so they will be used, unfortunatley, people will continue to use i have to admit that i have used them before, again when i was a lot younger, "anglo american" was one i used and he gave weekend trebles,no odds on,got 8 winning weekends out of 10, then loser after loser. next guy wanted £50 up front for a fool proof system, i was young,foolish and nuts and paid for it, and all i got back was,,, use the same daily paper everyday,take the shortest priced favourite in the paper and thats the bet, if there are 2 at the same price, then no bet hook line and sinker never done it again, 30 years later and i can laugh