dannyfield Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 hi guys i just wanted to know what courses do you think are specialized courses where the horses perform well there despite what form they are in,i know there are cheltenham,epsom and i think lingfield aw,anymore courses that you guys know will be very greatful,hope i made myself clear thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Re: course specialist Pontefract, carlisle and beverley............all have stiff uphill finishes which suit some horses and not others Southwell AW..........it's the only fibresand track in the country. Some horses love it, others can't handle it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayalexander Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Re: course specialist How about Brighton? I'm sure people have said that previous winners there have a bit of an advantage? Maybe I'm wrong and it's somewhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Re: course specialist I think brighton is one for sure any track that has something a bit out of the ordinary............most horses should be ok on flat sweeping tracks that are often described as 'fair' which means they don't suit any particular type of horse. In fact 'fair' tracks can often not suit some horses who are not competitive in a fair race But tracks that are a bit idiosyncratic can play to some horses strengths and expose others weaknesses..........those are the tracks where you're more likely to find course specialists a track with a stiff uphill finish might suit a steady galloper who doesn't quicken much in a finish...........the track will take the finishing kick out of the ones that win that way on flat tracks an undulating, winding track like brighton might suit horses that don't have a high cruising speed and get left behind on a flat track, the ups and downs and turns of Brighton will slow down the horses that have a high cruising speed and give him a chance to be thereabouts at the finish I think it's often not a case that a certain track suits a particular horse more that it doesn't suit the other horses in the race and the 'course specialist' doesn't have his weaknesses exposed as he would on straightforward tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jones12345 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist Chester :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist Over the jumps; Cartmel : Massive advantage if you can handle the tight turns. Sedgefield: Used to live near the track, quirky course with steep uphill finish. Aintree: Apart from the obvious National fences the Mildmay course does suit a certain type of runner, quick, flat track, need to travel well in races. Towcester: A track that you cant transfer form to anywhere else, more stamina needed than any other NH track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darran Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist From my experinces of the big hunter chases they have Stratford would appear to be one for me. Horses who are proven round there always seem to do well and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabbythecat Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist Over the jumps; Cartmel : Massive advantage if you can handle the tight turns. Sedgefield: Used to live near the track, quirky course with steep uphill finish. Aintree: Apart from the obvious National fences the Mildmay course does suit a certain type of runner, quick, flat track, need to travel well in races. Towcester: A track that you cant transfer form to anywhere else, more stamina needed than any other NH track. Speaking of which BH they are modifying the national course in the wake of what happened, the BBC also came under fire for their coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowan Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist Sprints at Bath favour hold-up horses because the tight turns force front-runners to chagne their legs and lose speed. So you can see in-form horses lose, out-of-form horses win. Opposite is true at Ripon where a horse infront is almost guaranteed to win. Already mentioned but Chester heavily favours a horse drawn on the rail because the track is always turning. Then theres a few C's & D's like 5f at Musselburgh which won't be won by a horse who isn't the frontrunner or on the frontrunners tail. And 5f at Catterick is interesting because it has a downhill start - just to help them on their way ;) Its also good to know that a track with tight turns will favour a slightly built, small, elegant horse. A smooth galloping track will suit a large brute of a horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist I think the five furlongs at Hamilton suits hold up horses because the first half is downhill and the second half is uphill I reckon front runners go too fast on the downhill (particularly in a big field where they take each other on) and grind to a halt on the uphill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabbythecat Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist I think the five furlongs at Hamilton suits hold up horses because the first half is downhill and the second half is uphill I reckon front runners go too fast on the downhill (particularly in a big field where they take each other on) and grind to a halt on the uphill You are quite right about Hamilton its even tougher when the ground is bottomless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyfield Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Re: course specialist really great feedback guys,really helpful information and will take it all in account when betting in the future.hopefully i can find some decent horses and put up in the daily betting selection pages and find some winners.thanks again peeps:) more information is always helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbettle Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re: course specialist Lots of good advice - many thanks to everyone. Over at cdysystems, a Topweights betting strategy seems interesting, "... involves betting to win on topweights in all NH handicap races run over a trip of less than 3 miles on a tight track. Qualifying weights include penalties but not riders' claims. Joint topweights - no bet." He justification seems sound, "... the system relies on tracks where stamina is relatively unimportant, thus negating the handicap of carrying additional weight and thereby putting the best horses on a level playing field with those of less ability." He also recognises that even though a track might be tight they may have significant uphill stretches which could sap strength and stamina in a way that isn't evident at the other tight tracks. So Plumpton and Wetherby are not in the qualifying list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re: course specialist I would agree with some of the cases put forward here. Ripon and Musselburgh do favour pace horses, Folkestone, Thirsk and Warwick are amongst others to consider. A front runner drawn low at Chester can often make all but a hold up performer from the same draw can be at a disadvantage, as they're often snatched up to settle and lose vital energy in the early stages. Sprint trips at Bath show no bias toward any running style but with the quirky nature of the course, previous course form is worth a second look. The five furlong sprint at Hamilton favours front runners. Blindly backing all such runners shows a tidy profit, whereas those held up have a very poor record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabbythecat Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re: course specialist I would agree with some of the cases put forward here. Ripon and Musselburgh do favour pace horses, Folkestone, Thirsk and Warwick are amongst others to consider. A front runner drawn low at Chester can often make all but a hold up performer from the same draw can be at a disadvantage, as they're often snatched up to settle and lose vital energy in the early stages. Sprint trips at Bath show no bias toward any running style but with the quirky nature of the course, previous course form is worth a second look. The five furlong sprint at Hamilton favours front runners. Blindly backing all such runners shows a tidy profit, whereas those held up have a very poor record. Epsom 5 furlong course goes without saying is a track where you never recover from a slow start, the switchback nature of Goodwood is also one to consider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re: course specialist Sprints at Bath favour hold-up horses because the tight turns force front-runners to chagne their legs and lose speed. So you can see in-form horses lose, out-of-form horses win. Sprint trips at Bath show no bias toward any running style but with the quirky nature of the course, previous course form is worth a second look. Just to clarify I'll explain a little more. The tight turns at bath mean that a horse racing on the rail often has to change its legs to negociate the turn which loses speed. Therefore horses drawn by the rail are at a disadvantage but really only the frontrunners because a hold-up horse drawn on the inside would drop out and come wide. A horse racing wide of the rail can turn the corner in a wide sweeping angle thereby retaining its speed. At least this is what I have read in a few books. Perhaps it is now the case that the jockeys know about this and these days all the horses are taken wide at the turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabbythecat Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re: course specialist Just to clarify I'll explain a little more. The tight turns at bath mean that a horse racing on the rail often has to change its legs to negociate the turn which loses speed. Therefore horses drawn by the rail are at a disadvantage but really only the frontrunners because a hold-up horse drawn on the inside would drop out and come wide. A horse racing wide of the rail can turn the corner in a wide sweeping angle thereby retaining its speed. At least this is what I have read in a few books. Perhaps it is now the case that the jockeys know about this and these days all the horses are taken wide at the turns. Good points raised about Bath the configuration has always interested me with the bend inside the final furlong which can unbalance a horse going flat out to the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torn up slip Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re: course specialist Any track can be specialist imo. Even on the flat, sweeping, easy to handle tracks some horses can fall in love with the place and others just not like it for whatever reason. However I do agree that the Brightons, Goodwood's, Ascot's and Southwell's of the world are a lot more "specialist" in the true sense of the word. Disagree about Chester though. It's not the track itself that is specialist. It's all down to the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyfield Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Re: course specialist go to http://www.allaboutbetting.co.uk/horseracing/horseracing.html for more good info on horse racing tracks around the uk including jumps and other info on horse racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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