BillyHills Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRat Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy At this point in time I am looking forward to this race the most Looks a cracker if they all make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldikova Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy I've been very impressed by Hurricane Fly. He has run two very nice races in Ireland this term. He has pace and stamina in abundance. I do however question whether or not he will run to the same high standards on better going, against better opposition than a reclining Solwhit. I have no worries about Cheltenham, as he has plenty of pace and can get 20 on soft. The prospect of him lining up against Binocular in particular is a race that keeps me very interested. Im a Binocular fan so i find it hard to call because if he gets his ground its going to be some battle. Im taking some NRNB 4s on the Hurricane as hes seriously impressive. Of course there are other who can turn up on the day and make it their own party. 4s is a bit thin but its only going to decline so i have little choice. I have no problem changing my opinion when called for, and on this occasion i have a feeling that HF can shade it against Binocular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRat Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Peddlers Cross - 14/1 EW Champion Hurdle - I understand this price again is high due to not knowing which race he will go to but should be running in the Fighting Fifth and is 7/2 for that and I hope he wins it well and they target the CH after. He looked the part last year winnig the Neptune and a gr2 at Aintree, still unbeaten. His task for the CH is tougher against some smart sorts but if he improves still he will take all the beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2shoes Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Its a very tough race and always has been, can anyone really put their cash down on HF with confidence ? he's never won at Cheltenham, how many times has a big name from over the water came over to the festival and its just not worked out ? I agree with you Rat i think Peddlers cross is in with a great chance, but i still feel they all have to beat MENORAH. He's a touch older than Cue Card and beat him fair and square, you just never really know how wound up they are until the big day, but i will be leaving HF well alone, when it comes to cheltenham i stick with course winners. Starluck could also be a dark horse in this race, he travels very well and seems to get better with age, his price could tumble after the Christmas hurdle a week on Sat. Its going to be a very good race to watch come march, but at 7/2 etc for HF, i will pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldikova Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Sticking with course winners would have left you empty handed for the last couple of renewals off the top of my head Jimmy. I agree the price is a bit thin but HF has class written all over him, and there's NRNB available at 4s. Menorah is definitely a class horse, but i'm not willing to jump on the band wagon after he beat two younger and more inexperienced horses off a slow pace. Peddlers Cross is definitely quality and Davie McCain feels its between his horse, Binocular and Menorah. However i feel that Binocular was baby sitting both Peddlers Cross and Star Luck when they met. If the Hurricanes price is a bit skinny, then so is the price of the other contenders because they're only got get shorter once they all run next time out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2shoes Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Sticking with course winners would have left you empty handed for the last couple of renewals off the top of my head Jimmy. I agree the price is a bit thin but HF has class written all over him' date=' and there's NRNB available at 4s. Menorah is definitely a class horse, but i'm not willing to jump on the band wagon after he beat two younger and more inexperienced horses off a slow pace. Peddlers Cross is definitely quality and Davie McCain feels its between his horse, Binocular and Menorah. However i feel that Binocular was baby sitting both Peddlers Cross and Star Luck when they met. If the Hurricanes price is a bit skinny, then so is the price of the other contenders because they're only got get shorter once they all run next time out.[/quote'] I dont back every race fella, but what i meant was in order for me to put down my cash on a horse at the festival the horse i bet MUST have ran a close race or WON at Cheltenham. HF has never raced at Cheltenham. I got very burnt fingers last year with Go Native. Its always a tough race but as i said from now on i stick with Course winners or at best they must have been placed, at Cheltenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfitz82 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy GN was C&D winner before running in last years CH. HF is a serious horse and Mullins has a serious recent record with hotpot Irish horses first time around Cheltenham. I do agree though that his price is slightly 'skinny'. Peddlers Cross for me. Class horse yet tough as a pair of old boots. 13/2 with PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganjaman Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Hurricane fly has been impressive this season YES!!!! But what has he beat?? Solwhit....Solwhit and Solwhit!! Solwhit ran in the Champion Hurdle (CH) last year and come 6th beaten 18 lengths. So to be favourite in my eyes is ridiculous, I'd be taking him on come the day. He,s up against the Champ Binocular, plus proven contenders like Menorah, Oscar whiskey, Silviano Conti!! Now ask yourself would You take 7/2 against a horse that has never ran on english soil let alone Cheltenham, who is taking on the likes of Binocular , menorah , Oscar and so on?? I know I wouldn't. It happend last year with Go Native and solwhit being first and second fav.. And to come nowhere and not even run a race. But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure Youl have yours. Now if the English horses were traveling over to Ireland to run against him then...I maybe tempted to back HF!! So just think before you go betting on him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Hurricane fly has been impressive this season YES!!!! But what has he beat?? Solwhit....Solwhit and Solwhit!! Solwhit ran in the Champion Hurdle (CH) last year and come 6th beaten 18 lengths. So to be favourite in my eyes is ridiculous' date=' I'd be taking him on come the day. He,s up against the Champ Binocular, plus proven contenders like Menorah, Oscar whiskey, Silviano Conti!! Now ask yourself would You take 7/2 against a horse that has never ran on english soil let alone Cheltenham, who is taking on the likes of Binocular , menorah , Oscar and so on?? I know I wouldn't. It happend last year with Go Native and solwhit being first and second fav.. And to come nowhere and not even run a race. But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure Youl have yours. Now if the English horses were traveling over to Ireland to run against him then...I maybe tempted to back HF!! So just think before you go betting on him!![/quote'] 100% agree, was going to post the same, with HF never been over here before and expecting to beat a high class CH field, i would want double that price at least but someone has to be favourite and let the irish waste thier cash ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy 100% agree' date=' was going to post the same, with HF never been over here before and expecting to beat a high class CH field, i would want double that price at least but someone has to be favourite and let the irish waste thier cash ![/quote'] Not a mention for Khyber Kim from anyone, second to an outstanding binocular in last years champion plus won the aintree hurdle aswel! 14-1 is a massive price since he has proven course form and has beaten afew of the contenders, but take it now before he wins the christmas hurdle (3-1) at kempton against binocular and starluck this saturday! Price will be gone after that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Not a mention for Khyber Kim from anyone, second to an outstanding binocular in last years champion plus won the aintree hurdle aswel! 14-1 is a massive price since he has proven course form and has beaten afew of the contenders, but take it now before he wins the christmas hurdle (3-1) at kempton against binocular and starluck this saturday! Price will be gone after that! yes he is on my list, an excellent 2nd place last year and i hope to be on this one saturday as best fresh and then see what happens. will nibble at the 14s also for the CH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy yes he is on my list' date=' an excellent 2nd place last year and i hope to be on this one saturday as best fresh and then see what happens. will nibble at the 14s also for the CH[/quote'] Yea 3-1 for saturday looks a nice price, in my opinion he has the beating of starluck and if last season (or his last run) is anything to go by we can expect a below par binocular to show up..... He never got going last year until march! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brassic Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy I saw HF at Leopardstown and whilst Solwhit was below par, it was a seriously impressive quickening up off the last. He's got the high cruising speed and stamina any CH horse needs but if there's any suggestion of it being slow on time, he's the one I'd fancy to have the finishing kick. That said, I love Peddler's Cross and have piled in - the horse just doesn't give up and always seems to do enough. I still think there's some improvement in him (which he probably needs, despite panning Binocular in the Fighting Fifth at Newbury) and he'll start to lay it down to them from 3f out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1nsome Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy The forgotten horse at this stage for the C.H. is Dunguib and await his return to action this weekend.Stands at 14/1 for C.H,, which i believe is outstanding value...and will half in price [if not shorter] if he wins at weekend. His training this year has been set out with the specific view towards Cheltenham. Started a red hot fav [4/5] for the Supreme,,but could only finish 3rd beaten 2l by Menorah and believe jockeyship won this race...but thats racing. The betting at this stage Menorah 5/1 against Dunguid's 14/1=bet This horse is an absolute machine,,in the Champion Bumper the year before he absolutely slaughtered a future Ascot Gold Cup winner in Rite of Passage-- effortlessly. I think Ireland will have a 1,2 this year,with Hurricane Fly the biggest danger to Dunguid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Thats a very big "if" in fairness, dont forget Hurricane Fly had 15 lengths on Dunguib in the champ hurdle in Punchestown last year... But i do agree that he has potential, and i think the smaller fields in the champion hurdle will suit him more due to his waiting tactics. But for me i will have to see how he looks the weekend after next when he takes on Solwhit and Hurricane, I couldnt back with any confidence at the minute, since he hasnt really beaten much yet in his career over hurdles! And like I said earlier if you are looking for a big price on a champ hurdle horse its hard to look past khyber kim, been there and done it, which dunguib hasnt yet for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterosso Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy The Champion Hurdle - Tuesday, 15th of March Dunguib - 5pts @ 20/1 (Coral) I'm pretty sure I'll get the chance to trade out if I want. 20's are madness and I just want to make sure I don't miss it. He's definitely the forgotten horse of the race and if he makes any sort of impression on Hurricane Fly in the Irish Champion Hurdle in 10 days time then the price could collapse. He was sent off the 4/5 favourite in last years Supreme Novices Hurdle at Cheltenham, raced in the middle of the track throughout and only managed 3rd place, only 2 lengths behind Menorah, who looks a superstar in the making. I still think that was a wonderful performance from Fenton's charge given the amount of ground that he must of thrown away due to the trainer and jockeys tactics, which were to allow him clear viewing of all the hurdles as he's not exactly a magnificent jumper. However, he has an amazing cruising speed and if/when they go a rapid gallop in the Champion Hurdle at the festival, he'll be bang in the mix I feel. It'd be much better if there was a professional jockey on him but I'll take my chances as Dunguib certainly isn't worthy of such a large price tag. He's a highly talented individual and he'll have a damn good chance of proving that at the festival if he turns up on song. They said he was over the top by the time he faced Hurricane Fly in the Rabobank Champion Hurdle at Punchestown in April and that could help explain his poor performance, which also wasn't helped by the quick-ish ground and a combination of pulling hard and poor jumping mid race. He was beaten by over 15l by Willie Mullins' highly impressive 7 year old but I don't think that's true form. Connections are taking it much easier with their talented 8 year old this year, with plans to send him to Cheltenham straight after the Irish Champion, assuming he makes a decent impression. Fenton said he'd be happy to "come within 10 lengths of Hurricane Fly" but I think that he's only pullin' our leg! He'll be coming a lot closer than that I reckon, plus he does go well fresh. They went to Cheltenham last year having had 4 runs before the Supreme, the first being in October and the last being 5 weeks before his tilt at glory in March. It may well pay dividends to go on the back of just the one run this time and have a fit and fresh animal who isn't burnt out form his previous exertions, although that probably wasn't the case in the Supreme last year but it possibly took its toll on the horse. It's all ifs and buts, however, I'd much rather see him taking this route than having a busy campaign, plus having an outing 7 weeks or so should also help and leave him race fit but he'll also be relatively fresh when turning up at Cheltenham. The way he won the Champion Bumper in 08 was one of the best performances in years and the way he powered 10 lengths clear of the field when going up the hill was a sight to behold. I'd love to see it again and I bought into all the hype last year when lumping on, only to end up disappointed. I'm hoping I'll get a chance to see him power clear in such a high class field again and maybe this could be the year, if he jumps around well for once. They'll be hoping it'll come up relatively soft, as he's not very good on quicker ground and the softer it gets, the better chance he'll have. So I'm praying that the weather stays crap for a while yet and it'll also help my other 5pt bet on Pandorama in the Gold Cup. He'll need some give in the ground too but I reckon I'll get a chance to trade out of that one at a shorter price, as I'm on at 20's. It's risky backing ground dependent horses but I'll take my chances. Maximum bet on now, which is my second for the festival. I don't think I'll be having any more of those for a while anyways. I'll be doing more in-dept proper race reviews (nicer was of saying "opinions") for Cheltenham from the middle of February onwards so this is only a little one to get me started. Bets as of now: Champion Hurdle - Dunguib - 5pts @ 20/1 (Coral) - Placed and posted 13/01/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w1nsome Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Great write up Monterosso and thanks for pointing me towards Coral,,thought the 14/1 on laddies was fair,,,but 20/1 is a stand out:ok Will have £25 e/w on him this morning and £5 e/w double with Diamond Harry in G.C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewPunter Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy I have backed Dunguib and Starluck e/w on Betfair about a month ago. This looks set to be the race of the festival and at the moment there is only one horse I'd want to be with-Peddlars Cross. Can't believe the price it is compared to HF and Menorah, cracking e/w bet if you can get 4 places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganjaman Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Peddlers Cross - 14/1 EW Champion Hurdle - I understand this price again is high due to not knowing which race he will go to but should be running in the Fighting Fifth and is 7/2 for that and I hope he wins it well and they target the CH after. He looked the part last year winnig the Neptune and a gr2 at Aintree' date=' still unbeaten. His task for the CH is tougher against some smart sorts but if he improves still he will take all the beating.[/quote'] taken from the sporting life Paul Nicholls feels Peddlers Cross is the one to beat in the stanjames.com Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham. The Ditcheat trainer is preparing to run Escort'men in Saturday's williamhill.com Christmas Hurdle but says Donald McCain's unbeaten star has made the biggest impression on him this season. "It's a very hot division but I love Peddlers Cross and think he's a great horse. He's not Flat bred bred, he's jumping bred and just gallops and jumps," he told Racing UK. "The Champion is a very open race. Menorah is a great horse, last year's winner Binocular will be good in the spring and it's a job to say what will be winning it but I like Peddlers Cross." ing life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganjaman Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Champion Hurdle Trends ■Only 5 winning favourites from the past 17 runnings ■13 winners from the past 16 had won at least twice over Hurdles. ■Cheltenham experience is important, with 16 of the past 17 winners have run at Prestbury . ■10 of the past 17 winners had previous winning form at Cheltenham. ■A reasonably even split of Irish (7 winners) v British (10 winners) winners in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldikova Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy It should be remembered that Binocular drew alongside Peddlers Cross before lacking the fitness to maintain his challenge. Bincocular was all over him at that point despite having the physique of a tele tubby. It's to PC credit that he fought back gamely, and that proves his credentials. I'm certainly not in a position to doubt Peddlers Cross potentially winning come March. Indeed i think he is a brilliant horse, but i reserve the right to have a slight preference for Binocular and Hurricane Fly. I do agree with those questioning HF, especially the price. However he hasn't saw a whip this term and there's more to come. I certainly don't blame anyone for ignoring the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernon Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy I think this is Binoculars to lose - his form is definetly improved it looks like they have found what makes him tick - I love peddlars but Binoular on his ground will be worth seeing.Hurricane is lacking Cheltenham experience and I seriously think thats important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy I think this is Binoculars to lose - his form is definetly improved it looks like they have found what makes him tick - I love peddlars but Binoular on his ground will be worth seeing.Hurricane is lacking Cheltenham experience and I seriously think thats important. lots to think about though Bill, if there is plenty of rain, that possibly would go against Binocular and peddlars cross would be in with a great shout.i am not touching Hurricane fly at all as you know have to have course form before i touch them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldikova Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy What with these two races coming up at the weekend, i think we could end up with ante post prices being worse than actual on the day prices for the big race. :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganjaman Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy looking forward to the big races on the weekend at haydock we see the return of peddlers cross and walkon and over in ireland we see hurricane fly and solwhit again, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2shoes Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy looking forward to the big races on the weekend at haydock we see the return of peddlers cross and walkon and over in ireland we see hurricane fly and solwhit again' date='[/quote'] Something tells me Solwhit is going to turn HF over at the weekend. Am happy to take the 11/4 on that bet, and a cheeky f/c 1st Solwhit 2nd HF Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldikova Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Nothing suprises me in racing Jimmy. The only way Solwhit could beat HF is if they have changed his program to get a better tune out of him for the latter stages of the season as opposed to the start. He has plenty to find and the Hurricane hardly even knows what a whip is. As someone who has a festival interest in HF, i'd like to see better ground and a fast pace to show us what kind of bet we're holding. Bets aside he's the type of horse i'd like watching regardless of money. I like Mullins horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2shoes Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Looks like they are taking Cue Card the Champion Hurdle route. He only has one entry now for the festival, the champion hurdle. http://horses.sportinglife.com/Futur...490203,00.html I think they are CRAZY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BankofKauto Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Re: Tues 3.20 : Stan James Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Looks like they are taking Cue Card the Champion Hurdle route. He only has one entry now for the festival, the champion hurdle. http://horses.sportinglife.com/Futur...490203,00.html I think they are CRAZY. I dont think the declarations for the supreme are done any time soon so nothing to stop them entering it for that. I cant see it being beat in the supreme but then again I thought that about dunguib last year. I will posy my selection for the champion hurdle later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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