deadlydaveLDN Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com BB (t4805) UTG (t2000) Hero (UTG+1) (t14885) MP1 (t2325) MP2 (t2350) MP3 (t5465) CO (t8560) Button (t4395) SB (t11756) Hero's M: 99.23 Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q UTG raises to t2000 (All-In), Hero ??? Table is playing kind of crazy, in particular the UTG guy, who's on massive tilt. So should I be flat calling, or shoving here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation I should add that this is very shortly before the first break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation I'd probably just flat call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy the punter Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Think either is fine as the difference in your bet only really effects two players behind you. As you say, he is playing like a loon, a flat call from you may not automatically be seen as strength by others and you may get a reraise from a smaller pair. With AA or KK I think a flat call is a great move and surely the tactic on the sort of table you've described. Trouble is, you don't want the two smaller stacks next to you calling and then it being 5/6-way due to apparent value. I like my stack here, so with QQ I probably take the safer option, raise to protect my hand a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Ok, thanks. I flat called, SB also called. Complete hand PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com BB (t4805) UTG (t2000) Hero (UTG+1) (t14885) MP1 (t2325) MP2 (t2350) MP3 (t5465) CO (t8560) Button (t4395) SB (t11756) Hero's M: 99.23 Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, QUTG raises to t2000 (All-In), Hero calls t2000, 5 folds, SB calls t1950, 1 fold Flop: (t6100) K, 2, J(3 players, 1 all-in) SB bets t3900, Hero folds Turn: (t6100) 3(2 players, 1 all-in) River: (t6100) 3(2 players, 1 all-in) Total pot: t6100 Results: SB had Q, K (two pair, Kings and threes). UTG had 4, 7 (one pair, threes). Outcome: SB won t6100 Not sure whether I cost myself a small pot, or stopped myself from losing a big one :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation For what its worth I'm raising every time in this position, about 98% sure I am ahead. Flat call gave the sb odds to call and you could have ended up in a right mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlydaveLDN Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Flat call gave the sb odds to call I'm not saying the flat call was the right play, but please expand on this point. I don't see how 1950 into 4150 consitutes good odds for a junk hand to call, especially with such shallow stacks in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy the punter Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Yeah it's bad play from the SB, but you get bad play in $10 rebuys. You have to adapt as you well know. Like I said, I don't think it's incorrect to flat call, it's a gamble and in this spot it's probably a gamble I wouldn't take, as stated above. AA or KK though - cracking play. He would've hit his Q and you would doubled up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Not call with complete junk but a hand like k/q is well ahead of the initial raisers range and fair enough against your likely flat calling range. Dont think much of the sb's play after flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muttley Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Dont think much of the sb's play after flop. As a rookie I might have made that play too. My thinking would be "I'm probably best here and I don't mind scaring off my one remaining opponent to get HU with the maniac." Should he have checked it, or should he have bet more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation I'd bet the flop, your only behind to k/j as far as I can see. I mean the flat caller cant have A/k, pkt aces, kings or jacks can he? Surely he would have raised to isolate? Mind you he cant have pkt queens either, which is were my hand analysis falls in a heap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfaz Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Re: Rebuy Tournament Situation Firstly, the small blind's call was terrible. Really terrible. You can't do anything about his call. No decent player calls there, the only play that can be made there is fold, or re-shove with AA/KK/maybe AK, and you're folding. That is why you just flat call there, if you re-raise and get re-re-raised you have to fold. You made the right play, but you're just playing a $10 tournament! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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