Nade Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person nice little article here http://www.pokerineurope.com/pokerarticles/detail.php?articleid=1025&PHPSESSID=c209899a58d86847678c708542116080 Damo :ok That has made me think a lot more about decreasing my all-ins PF, makes sense, cheers :ok Nade. Just to touch one what you said in the daily thread. You said that you're experiencing the down turn for the first time. The first time I did I decided to play through it and suffer it for all its horror. I was a fool in doing so and the advice that I would give anyone in this situation is the same, and that is stop playing. If you don't, pretty soon you won't know your arse from your elbow as you try different things in order to break the streak. You will start to feel as though you've never known how to play poker ever and will tie yourself up in knots. - I have to say that is exactly how i'm feeling atm. I've lost that natural 'feeling' for the game, it's all a blur and don't have a basis for a game atm, you've hit the nail totally on the head :ok . Where you are isn't a nice place. We all know it which is why we're trying to provide help and guidance. You also touch on 'it's attack Nade week', which frankly is rubbish. What's worse? Going through a shite time and getting no help or sympathy or taking time to offer help and advice and being ignored? You have had good advice and endless offers of help. It might just be the best play you make to take some of them up. - Yeh that was a bit of a rant by me after a very poor showing in that MTT and was just getting more frustrated and meant nothing against anyone in PL and have to say i've had great advice from people. I've been taking the advice, but i guess it ties in with the point above that i've no game to use the advice in it's all a mush atm :\ Appreciate everything people have said and done and have had more help then i could wish for tbh. :) Good luck in your game, and in your escape. Rather you than me. You've been through it and advise stop playing so that's what i will do, though it will be v. hard i know what you guys say is honest and cool so i'd be a fool not to take the advice. So frustrating to just crumble as a player after 1 and a half yrs playing with a solid base and tweaking bits as i go along to now not even feel as if i have a base so my thoughts can boil over unfortunately, maybe that's my italian roots coming through too :lol Anyway, cheers for the help all much appreciated, i WILL be taking a break from poker. :) :dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person to just crumble as a playerThats the thing mate. You haven't. If you find it difficult to stay away then play freerolls. :ok I can't remember if you're a cash game player, STT player or MTT player but when you come back, stick to the type of poker where you had your success, and instead of hating bad beats, learn to love em. It means you're doing something right. I mean, how I went out tonight wasn't a bad beat at all. I was pretty sure de wolf (Daft Pegasus) had me beat, but I couldn't be arsed in truth to make an easy fold cos my attention was on another matter. It won't be long now, I promise. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftpegasus Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person I mean, how I went out tonight wasn't a bad beat at all. I kwas pretty sure de wolf (Daft Pegasus) had me beat, but I couldn't be arsed in truth to make an easy fold cos my attention was on another matter. What you mean it wasn't the excellent way I played my flopped flush:lol? I must admit I was surprised when you called the river. Nade, poker is the most frustrating game I know, but that's why it's so great. I suspect that each time you play at the moment you expect to be on the end of some bad beats. If that's the case as Valiant says take a break (even for a few days), come back when the desire to play poker is overwhelming and enjoy it. I've played very, very poorly for the whole month of May experiencing only my second ever negative month. Because the slate is wiped clean and June is a new month I feel less under pressure and have cashed in 2 out of 3 MTT's already this month. It doesn't matter how well you play poker there is always a bad beat around the corner. Learning to deal with them is part of becoming a better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person On the way back now i feel. Just placed in a $1 MTT with over 320 ppl came 15th. It's not so much the placing but the feel of the game is coming back after cutting down to about 2hrs of play in the last 2days. I feel fresh and the knowledge is coming back, hard to put my finger on it but the minds a lot clearer in terms of what i should and shouldn't be doing at the table. I genuinely think that PKR screwed with my head big time as i was playing there for a few weeks and it was so rare that i actually knew what hand the opposition had because most of them play any hand no matter how much you raise. I was pretty much taking this approach into other networks because i adjusted my game so much to suit PKR, basically i forgot what had gotten me to a comfortable level before when my game was solid and i knew the fundimentals of how to play with my game style (if any makes sense at all :lol) Will still just come back slowly with a little tomorrow then i'm off to Italy over the weekend so that's a guaranteed 3/4 days off so my mind is going to be totally fresh for next week but i can definitely feel the cogs kicking back into gear :lol Cheers all, been a great help and hopefully we can all move onwards and upwards :ok :cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Good to hear Nade, enjoy the weekend away (lucky bugger!) and as you said, hopefully you'll come back refreshed and ready to clean up :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Nade may I ask how old you are? how long have you been playing? and is it just NLHE you play? They are not loaded questions I'm just trying to understand your situation better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Nade may I ask how old you are? how long have you been playing? and is it just NLHE you play? They are not loaded questions I'm just trying to understand your situation better. And the next contestant up on Mastermind.... :drums (Mastermind music) Mr Nade, 20, Sheffield - Specialist subject: - ermm... Exclusively NLH - Covering a period of approximately 18months (Excluding months not playing) ......... :lol :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Nade You seem to me to be concentrating on the actual cards too much. I know it is hard sometimes but forget what cards you have and play your position and play the player. Study your opposition and pre-empty his moves and use the button to your advantage. You seem to be limping to the bubble and then moving with cards and then 'losing the race' it happens a lot but try to manoeuvre yourself in tourneys to try and alleviate this problem. If you find yourself in this position, like Jaded said, be more aggressive, you cannot wait for cards to get into the action, first into the pot usually takes it. You dont need to know about bad luck, variance, bad play that has been explained but Mr V was right (though he is a buddist) if you dont have the right mental attitute going into a game you will fail. I find any negativity I have in my mind will come out in my play. For the first 3 months of this year I couldn't win a thing, then I thought back to what I was doing last year when I was winning loads (eye of the tiger) and adapted my game but more importantly how I prepare for a game then I started winning (loads) again. I also think people can play too much poker and it dilutes your hunger to win. I will now only play tourneys that I want to win (unless chasing BBP - but I have given that up now :cry) if there is not a tourney on that night I do not want to win - I don't play it is a simple as that. You also seem to be mixing between STT and MTT, I personally would not do that as they are two totally different games and your strategy could get confused. If you want to play STT's for 4 hours great, do it, work out how you want to play the games then play. If you want to enter a tourney get in into your head that you are going to be sat there for 4 hours so prepare for it. Poker breaks are good and do they work but another good piece of advice I recieved off this forum is that a change is as good as a rest. Someone advised me to go off NLHE and start playing PLO or hi lo for a few weeks. I did and loved the game and it has been suggested (that I do not doubt) that omaha does help to improve your Hold em game. More recently I have got into Stud 8 limit (because I have to play a tourney in Vegas soon) and I find it a fascinating game and again it will teach you more of the fundamentals of poker - reading skills, position, bluffing etc. Be lucky :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person (unless chasing BBP - but I have given that up now :cry) You just weren't good enough mate :tongue2 Other than that, great (and constructive :ok) post :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person I suspect James has hacked into his Dad's account. :lol Totally agree with the different styles needed for MTT and STT, and obviously cash. If you play a lot of both and are successful thats great but I personally find myself slipping between the two stools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person :rollin:rollinyou guys are so funny :\ Forgot to make the point about coinflips, they have to be minimised in a tourny or the odds say you will go broke, only enter them when you need to. When you look at a tourney you will always find someone racing off into a clear chiplead (beacuse he has won a few coinflips) but 9/10 he will not win that tourney because the strategy that got him there will be his undoing. Phil Hellmuth is one of the best NLHE tourney players in the world but he will hardly ever risk his tourney on a coinflip. He plays small pots, sees lots of flops and outplays people on the turn and river. None of us on this forum (with the exception of Mike Saban ;)) are good enough to win tourneys this way but it is a good objective to aim for :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Nade You seem to me to be concentrating on the actual cards too much. Quote of the day!! The cards are a small part of your success overall - you HAVE to be able to play the players, or play the position, not just wait for decent cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted June 11, 2007 Author Share Posted June 11, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person The Don Corleone is back!... Ok, it's only me... :unsure Thanks for the advice all :ok After a nice 4day break, playing that is - i couldn't keep my mind off it completely ;) i feel very refreshed after 'burning out' pretty much over the last few weeks. Hard to go through all the advice individually since as a bit tired, but had a look, particularly MCFC and it's all really good stuff, Cheers all :notworthy Legends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Welcome back m8 :ok Don't miss this thread - You're not alone!!! - Bad beats welcome (one night only special offer!!) - bet I'm "more unlucky" than you tonight :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted June 12, 2007 Author Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Since i got back haven't had a bad beat, but more importantly just broken a big hoodoo by getting to a final table in a MTT! :D:D Only $1 entry but 373 players and came 9th which i'm well pleased about. Onwards and upwards :nana:nana:nana:nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Since i got back haven't had a bad beat' date=' but more importantly just broken a big hoodoo by getting to a final table in a MTT! :D:D Only $1 entry but 373 players and came 9th which i'm well pleased about. Onwards and upwards :nana:nana:nana:nana[/quote'] Well done Nade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Well done Nade - that's awesome :clap :nana :cow :nana :cow :clap Dare I say though, that if you're not getting any bad beats, that would be a worry :unsure It either means you're not getting the money in when ahead (but when you are behind) or being over aggressive and not getting any action with your big hands :unsure Having said that, a final table suggests you're doing something right :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Is this a bad beat. ***** Hand 648930052 ***** 0.25/0.50 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:01:40 PM Table TH 385 (Real /Cash Game ) Seat 1: gunner.pl (24.05) Seat 2: staffydog (54.70) Seat 3: jakee12 (62.70) Seat 4: GOJORU1 (16.15) Seat 5: **biggi** (22.17) **biggi** post SB 0.25 gunner.pl post BB 0.50 ** Deal ** gunner.pl [N/A, N/A] staffydog [Kd, Kh] jakee12 [N/A, N/A] GOJORU1 [N/A, N/A] **biggi** [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** staffydog Raise to 2.50 jakee12 Fold GOJORU1 Fold **biggi** Fold gunner.pl Call 2.50 *** Flop(Board): *** : [3h, 10d, Jc] *** Bet Round 2 *** gunner.pl Check staffydog Bet 3.00 gunner.pl All-in 21.55 staffydog Call 21.55 *** Turn(Board): *** : [3h, 10d, Jc, 8c] *** River(Board): *** : [3h, 10d, Jc, 8c, As] *** Showdown *** : Rake: 2.40 Total Pot: 45.95 gunner.pl [Ad, Jh] Two pair aces and jacks Win: 45.95 staffydog Fold Win: 0.00 jakee12 Fold Win: 0.00 GOJORU1 Fold Win: 0.00 **biggi** Fold Win: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Is this a bad beat. No - you were behind when the money went in :moon :moon :moon :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person I had KK. He had JJ When the money went in. :spank :spank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Ahem - why did I think he had TJ? :loon Ok ... grant you ... it's (almost) a bad beat :tongue2 (he did have runner runner diamond flush draw too though :tongue2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person How did he have runner runner dia flush draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person How did he have runner runner dia flush draw? :lol :lol :lol :lol Oh dear - can I quit whilst losing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Just say it was a bad beat and ill move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person It was...erm.....a moment of quite high short term negative results against the mathmatical expectation...... Will that do? :tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted June 12, 2007 Author Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Well done Nade - that's awesome :clap :nana :cow :nana :cow :clap Dare I say though, that if you're not getting any bad beats, that would be a worry :unsure It either means you're not getting the money in when ahead (but when you are behind) or being over aggressive and not getting any action with your big hands :unsure Having said that, a final table suggests you're doing something right :ok Cheers fellas :ok:ok GaF m8, you slag me when i do get bad beats then complain when i don't get bad beats!! :lol There must be a pattern somewhere ;) .... Anyway, i haven't played much in the last day so that's mainly why. Played a couple of MTT and a bit of cash on PKR to see if i could hit on of their legendary runs but no, not had any major bad beats. I was going to put this point in my last post but thought sod it, but now you've mentioned it! - Someone mentioned (i think it was on the bad beats thread) that they don't get bad beats anymore in poker, which got me thinking about cutting down the amount i go all-in, which recently had increased and coincidentally or not my bad beats increased. I also watched an interview with Hellmuth after his 11th WSOP bracelet win where he said he wasn't all-in once after the 1st or 2nd day and both of these things influenced me to not go all-in as much and so in that last MTT i was only all-in once until the latter stages instead i just used the art of betting - which i think i had forgotten - and it served me well as reflected in the 9th place :D. And yes Staffy i would count that as a bad beat, although there isn't much i don't class as a bad beat :lol The guy should be hung drawn and quartered for playing AJo imo (my number one devil hand) UL staffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person It was...erm.....a moment of quite high short term negative results against the mathmatical expectation...... Will that do? :tongue2 I just looked up "bad beat" in the dictionary. It said: Bad beat (n). A moment of quite high short term negative results against the mathematical expectation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Thanks Nade. At leats one sensible person on here. I am Banning GAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Re: The most unlucky person Erm, Nade - intention wasn't to slag you off - if that's the way it came out, I apologise. :sad The point I think I was trying to get to - if you haven't had any bad beats in your play recently, that's quite unusual and cannot, IMO be expected to continue. I was trying to help you "deal with it" when that inevitable bad beat came up again - I don't think I helped :sad If your statement was "I havent been mentally impaired by any bad beats I've suffered", then I would view that as fantastic (and highly profitable ;) ), however "I haven't had any bad beats recently" isn't a sustainable situation, and I would expect it to change (and I think you need to be prepared for it :unsure) Am I making any sense? Or about as much as I was talking with Staffy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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