Tulenos Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) est odds/All odds Sharapova, M3.252.873.553.253.7543.53.753.53.753.534.3334.14.4 Henin-Hardenne, J66.55.6555.55.566.55664.556.16 Clijsters, K676.1566666.5666667.67.4 Williams, V7.577.5767.5878.567767.58.58.6 Vaidisova, N979.59101010101010999911.512 Mauresmo, A9109.95911119111111111113812.513 Hingis, M1011109131110101113101113111313.5 Kuznetsova, S111213131313121315131511131519.520 Petrova, N21172223212326212321262121173032 Williams, S--37-----------64- Safina, D34344441344141413434515151347470 Dementieva, E516760516767678167675141214111095 Ivanovic, A5181613467676751676767516767114100 Myskina, A6781656767676781676767414167104140 Groenefeld, AL-6795-51-67101-5141-41--95 Kirilenko, M-6796--1016781----101-104150 Pierce, M67---101-67--101-67--260300 Krajicek, M-10193-101-101126-10167-101126250110 Douchevina, V--------151------- Jackson, J101----151------151--- Molik, A1015199101-10181151----101--- Golovin, T126151-51151151811016715110167151101-170 Schnyder, P-126125126101101126151151101101126151126220240 Hantuchova, D101151-10110112610112615110110167151151260300 Bovina, E-201-151--201---101126---- Granville, L----201----201------ Linetskaya, E-201--------151----- Perry, S----201----201------ Safarova, L----201----201------ Sprem, K-201-----201---151151151-- Zvonareva, V67201--20110112615112620181101101151-- Jankovic, J10181-812011261011518120110167101151-140 Li, N----101----101--201--170 Peer, S----201126---201--81--180 Mirza, S-201---151151201----201151220300 Daniilidou, E-251--151----151------ Razzano, V-251------201------- Shaughnesy----251----251------ Stosur, S-251--151----151--201--- Chakvetadze, A-101-----151----251151-220 Likhovtseva, E-151--251126151201151251-251251151-220 Schiavone, F-251--201101151151-201101-251-380390 Baltacha, E----301----301------ Raymond, L----301----301------ Stevenson, A----301----301------ Tanasugarn, T----301----301------ Dechy, N-151--3018120120120130117620167151850250 Keothavong, A----501----501------ Sugiyama, A-301--151---501151--301--180 Dulko, G-151---126--151---501--220 Pennetta, F-----151--251---501-8501000 O'Donoghue, J----1001----1001------ Webley-Smith, E----5001----5001------ Radwanska, A--------------980600 Each-way terms: 2 at 1/2 2 at 1/22 at 1/22 at 1/22 at 1/22 at 1/22 at 1/22 at 1/22 at 1/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulenos Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Hmm... not sure I have ever seen a shorter fav in a two-week tourney and not sure how much money such a price can draw - OK, he's Mr. Invincible, but @ such a price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Not touching Federer with anyones money. Yes hes awesome on grass but he wasn't too impressive for me in Halle before the tournament. The tough thing is finding who's got the game to get through to the final and play him. Plenty of guys in the draw with decent games on grass but its much of a muchness for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Wow, what a tough draw for Federer! Gasquet in round 1, then possibly; Henman, Vliegen/Melzer, Haas/Berdych, Ancic, Nalbandian/Blake just to get into the final:eek :eek. How much will the price drift?:unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Incredible draw for the champion Federer! If it wins it from that then hes more than a worthy champion. Tough draw for all the Brits too. HENMAN v Soderling BOGDANOVIC v Nadal RUSEDSKI v Safin MURRAY v Massu GOODALL v van Gemerden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballTennis Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Federer/Sharapova to win I guess. Highest odds available for Federer is 4/7. Highest odds available for Sharapova is 11/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Team Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) I went for Ancic before the draw was made. Obviously that gamble hasn't paid off with him ending up in Federer's quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bet_man Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Federer not to lose a set in wimbledon @11 in betfair....Can i hear your opinions about this?Is this odd represents value? My opinion is @11 is great odd because last year Federer lost only one set in wimbledon.And in Final he played excellent and won 3-0.Federer plays better in grass than hardcourts.Last week he had not good matches but i think he will play better in wimbledon.lastly,he has no injury problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Federer not to lose a set in wimbledon @11 in betfair....Can i hear your opinions about this?Is this odd represents value? My opinion is @11 is great odd because last year Federer lost only one set in wimbledon.And in Final he played excellent and won 3-0.Federer plays better in grass than hardcourts.Last week he had not good matches but i think he will play better in wimbledon.lastly,he has no injury problems. I don't like it mate. I think I'm right in saying he's never won a slam without dropping a set. Can't see it happening especially considering the draw that he has. Usually you'd look and expect him to have 3 or even 4 really straightforward matches that you see him walking through. Unless something really strange happens in the top half, I can only possibly see 1 match in the 3rd round being straightforward. It's close to the worst possible draw he could have had, and Gasquet, Henman, Soderling, Haas, Berdych, Ancic, Nalbandian, Blake - all these guys are capable of taking a set off him, and I think he'll have to face at least 4 of them. That list doesn't even include the bottom half for the final, which could well be one of his easiest matches:lol, but even Hewitt/Roddick/Nadal would fancy nicking a set. To be honest, I'd want at least 25.00 before I'd think about going for it. Good luck if you decide to go for it mate:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bet_man Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) I don't like it mate. I think I'm right in saying he's never won a slam without dropping a set. Can't see it happening especially considering the draw that he has. Usually you'd look and expect him to have 3 or even 4 really straightforward matches that you see him walking through. Unless something really strange happens in the top half, I can only possibly see 1 match in the 3rd round being straightforward. It's close to the worst possible draw he could have had, and Gasquet, Henman, Soderling, Haas, Berdych, Ancic, Nalbandian, Blake - all these guys are capable of taking a set off him, and I think he'll have to face at least 4 of them. That list doesn't even include the bottom half for the final, which could well be one of his easiest matches:lol, but even Hewitt/Roddick/Nadal would fancy nicking a set. To be honest, I'd want at least 25.00 before I'd think about going for it. Good luck if you decide to go for it mate:ok Thank you very much Mr Intensity:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmetic Bob Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) I think NADAL is a good bet. As I said on here during Queens, I think he is underrated on grass and is a decent player on the surface IMO. His quarter looks weak and I think he will win it, only danger seems to be Ljubicic but he played useless against Monfils at Queens and doesn't look all that on the surface. I know Nadal just scrapped past an injured Verdasco but the most important thing was, he got the job done, the result wasn't wimbledon winner standard but neither was any of Federers performances in Halle!. He was giving Hewitt a match in QF when it was 1-1 sets before shoulder injury, i didn't see the match but the score suggests it could have gone either way!. With a bit of luck he can see of Hewitt/Roddick in semis (or maybe a shock happen in 3rd quarter and he gets easy semi final!!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) I really like the look of tip from Racing Post today. Davy to reach the last 16 @5.5 SO This is the draw: Jarkko Nieminen FIN (22)Marcos Daniel BRA Dick Norman BEL Martin Lee GBR Razvan Sabau ROM Philipp Kohlschreiber GER Alejandro Falla COL Nikolay Davydenko RUS (9) He needs to win three matches and it looks like a very good chance. Falla could be tough opening as he came through qualifiers, but he is only ranked 119. Even though Davy preffers clay and hard courts to grass, he should show his class. Second round sees two guys playing from the back of the court. Looks easy, as Davy is master in that department with his awesome graundstrokes. Final match looks like Nieminen. Davy beat him 6-1,6-3 in Hamburg, so should have enough confidence to see Jarkko off. Im on that bet 10/10 BTW they (RP) tips outright: Mauresmo and Hingis (both @15) Nadal (@20) and Baghdatis (@100) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinningTipster Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Hi guys, We continue week with the following pick: ATP TOUR, WIMBLEDON KARLOVIC TO D WAWRINKA @ 1.32 on betfair GIMELSTOB TO D C.ROCHUS @ 1.37 on stanjames WANG TO D MARACH @ 1.37 on betfair WTA TOUR, WIMBLEDON PERRY TO D BARROIS @ 1.3 on pinnacle GOLOVIN TO D DIAZ-OLIVA @ 1.3 on betfair In the first round you should probably go for the grass court players against claycourters, which we did in all 5 picks. Karlovic played (and lost) an even match to Wawrinka on clay earlier on this year. On grass court Karlovic is a huge favourite against Wawrinka, who is at his best on clay. Justin Gimelstob is another one of the grass court specialists playing a slow-court specialist. Gimelstob has a very big game and, considering his comfortable draw can reach last 16 or even last 8 at Wimbledon. Wang who defeated Davydenko and Bjorkman in Stella Artois looks like an overwhelming favourtie against clay court specialist Marach, who has never won a match on grass. Shennay Perry similar to Jackson (in Birmingham) can be a major surprise on grass courts with her big baseline game and strong serve coming against a qualifier Barrois. Golovin, who plays very well on grass and is a potential top 10 player looks like a clear favourite against Diaz-Oliva who struggled to win matches even on slow surfaces. www.WinningTipster.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Team Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) A word of caution on that Davydenko bet: Kohlschreiber is pretty good on grass and beat him comfortably just last week. He's a likely 2nd round opponent, if the injury that forced him to retire against Baghdatis wasn't too serious. Anyone know anything about Karlovic's physical state? He hasn't played since retiring from Queens' qualifying as far as I know so I'd be slightly wary of backing him. I'd also recommend going with a firm that voids retirements for those who are going to put money behind him, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andykelly Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Given the way Hewitt played at Queens, particularly the final, where is serve and overall game was excellent, along with the fact Federer has looked a little off the boil lately, I think Hewitt is a great bet at 10/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballTennis Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Soderling to beat Henman @ 2.68 with Betfair??? What do you guys think of that? Soderling is very good on grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) SportTennis EventWimbledon SelectionMONFILS to reach the last 16 Strength10/10 Date01/07/2006 Bookmaker/PriceSportingodds @ 3.25 (Back) ReasoningThis is the part of the draw he has to negotiate: Tommy Robredo ESP (11) v. Simon Greul GER Paul Goldstein USA v. Novak Djokovic SCG Potito Starace ITA v. Mikhail Youzhny RUS Igor Kunitsyn RUS v. Gael Monfils FRA (21) That looks pretty decent. Kunitsyn and probably Youznhy should be straightforward given there form. 3rd round match could be pretty tough against Robredo or Djokovic but I'd still fancy Monfils against either of those. I was really impressed with the way he played at Queens and he looks to have really adapted to grass. He had a back injury at Queens but I heard that was quite minor and he should be OK here. SportTennis EventWimbledon SelectionNALBANDIAN to reach last 16 Strength10/10 Date01/07/2006 Bookmaker/PriceSportingodds @ 1.57 (Back) ReasoningDavid Nalbandian ARG (4) v. Wesley Moodie RSA Albert Portas ESP v. Arnaud Clement FRA Benjamin Becker GER v. Juan Ignacio Chela ARG Vincent Spadea USA v. Fernando Verdasco ESP (28) Beautiful part of the draw for Bandy, I really can't see any of these guys troubling him at all. He's a class act on any surface including grass and he should be able to stroll through against any of these guys. He had an abdominal injury at the French but that was a while ago and he should be recovered. You could be worried about him playing no warm up events but I think with Moodie in the first round he should be alright. Moodies serve is so predictable right now that it should just be batting practice for Nalbandian. He's got a good record at Wimbledon and I really can't see him going out early. SportTennis EventWimbledon SelectionBLAKE to reach quarter finals Strength10/10 Date26/06/2006 Bookmaker/PriceStan James @ 2.20 (Back) ReasoningHere is his part of the draw: Thomas Johansson SWE (12) v. Jonas Bjorkman SWE Florent Serra FRA v. Lukas Dlouhy CZE Stefano Galvani ITA v. Alexander Waske GER Daniele Bracciali ITA v. Dominik Hrbaty SVK (20) Paul-Henri Mathieu FRA (32) v. Mark Philippoussis AUS Max Mirnyi BLR v. Ruben Ramirez-hidalgo ESP Oliver Marach AUT v. Yeu-Tzuoo Wang TPE Kristian Pless DEN v. James Blake USA (8) Blake has absolutely nothing to fear here. First two matches seem extremely straightforward and he should be into his stride by then. 3rd round could be a little rough but he's a class above those guys and in a big serving contest he'd still have to be a very strong favourite to get through. The two Swedes look the toughest of the possible opposition in the 4th round, but it'll be very tough for Bjorkman to keep up the form he had in Nottingham and Johansson still doesn't look 100%. Blake was awesome at Queens and his game looks to have moved on a bit. The hitting was more controlled (except in the final!) and his serve looks extremely well on grass. He also looked very focussed and generally in a good state of mind which I think will help him go deep in this tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Team Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) I've gone for Melzer over Mahut. He's been fairly impressive when I've seen him recently despite losing against Monfils and Ferrero in very tight matches. Although Mahut has also had decent results on grass this year, beating Malisse and Stepanek, he's quite inexperienced at this level never having won a best of 5 sets match. Melzer's greater experience and a 3-1 h2h(including one on grass) swing this one in his favour for me. 5pts at 1.73. (bluesq) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Team Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Outrights: Ancic 10 pts at 26 on betfair. As I said earlier, I did this before the draw figuring that the price wasn't going to get any higher but could shorten if the draw was favourable. In that sense I appear to have been correct but with Federer lurking in the same quarter this doesn't look such a good bet. In saying that, I feel Ancic is the one player most likely to beat Federer on grass. His all-round game has improved a lot this year as seen by his run to the quarter-finals at the French open. He also seems to have improved mentally with numerous amazing comebacks during the clay court season, including a couple of busted 1.01's and comes into this on a high having just defended his title in Hertogenbosch. Williams, 10pts at 8.6 on betfair. Has an unbelievable record at Wimbledon reaching 4 of the last 5 finals. Sure she isn't in great form, but then she was in even worse form last year. That's it really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edtkh Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Federer not to lose a set in wimbledon @11 in betfair....Can i hear your opinions about this?Is this odd represents value? My opinion is @11 is great odd because last year Federer lost only one set in wimbledon.And in Final he played excellent and won 3-0.Federer plays better in grass than hardcourts.Last week he had not good matches but i think he will play better in wimbledon.lastly,he has no injury problems. Not in my view. :) I don't ever recall him winning any Grand Slam without dropping a set in the tournament - with the way his head is programmed, he needs to drop a set every now and then to remind himself that even geniuses are merely mortals on some days... :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edtkh Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) On to some action from Day 1 then, amidst all the pre-occupation with the World Cup in the meantime... 30pts Federer-Srichaphan-Karlovic-Waske-Vliegen (3.17 @ Ladbrokes) Federer is to grass what Nadal is to clay - can't see Gasquet beating the King of Grass regardless of how close he claims to have mastered Federer's game at Halle a fortnight ago. Vliegen at 1.40 to beat an ageing Novak is really licence to steal - the Belgian is an up-and-coming player who has improved in leaps and bounds on this surface over the years. The Czech, on the other hand, has done nothing special and is already in the twilight of his career. Likewise, Srichaphan and Karlovic are both mismatches - Calleri has no pedigree on this surface and even the inconsistent Thai should prove too much for him, while the big-serving Croat should relish taking on the rather limited(on grass at least) Swiss. Lastly, I think Waske at 1.40 is reasonable enough. While Waske and Galvani both spend large chunks of their season at the Challenger level, Waske has got a weapon in his arsenal which is indispensable at Wimbledon against the mediocre player - a big serve. Cheers & Good Luck! :ok Starting Bank : 100.00pts Current Bank : 100.00pts Current Profit/Loss : 0.00pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edtkh Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Soderling to beat Henman @ 2.68 with Betfair??? What do you guys think of that? Soderling is very good on grass. No, not something worth going for IMO. :tongue2 I know you don't think the world of Henman(truth be told, neither do I), but there are certainly better ways to spend - and I literally mean 'spend' and not 'bet' - my hard-earned money than to stake a wager on a bigger cnut as woefully inconsistent and inadequate as Soderling. Soderling is an unbackable proposition at the best of times and at the worst of them, I don't expect him to turn up at all. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Nothing interests me at all today:$. Looks like being a bad day with the weather, which also makes things a more unpredictable, so I'll wait until tomorrow before getting interested:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardy Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Just scanned my way through the mens and womens draws. As usual Federer is going to be extremley difficult to beat but he his a ridculous price. In order to get to the final he will probably have to beat Gasquet,Henman, Vilegen, Haas, Ancic and Nalbandian. Although he should do this, its still going to be a tough ask. Ancic is a top 3 player on Grass and Nalbandian is no mug either. So i will leave Federer well alone on the outright market. The bet that appeals to me is Nadal. Yes, he is not at home on grass, but he was playing very well at Queens last week and i reckon he would have beaten Hewitt if it wasnt for his injury. He has quite an easy draw if you ask me and i would be very annoyed if he didnt get to at least the semis. He will probably have to beat Bogdanovic, Lu, Agassi,Gaudio, Ljubicic to get to the semis and then either Roddick or Hewitt in the semis. I have just had a £20 flutter on Nadal at 19.5 on betfair with a few to laying off in the semis to make some profit. In the womens draw only 2 really appeal and thats Sharapova and Henin. Mauresmo has a very difficult draw to get to the final probably needing to beat Abramovic, Krajicek, Golovin, Safina, Myskina and Sharapova just to get to the final. Extremley difficult if you ask me. Sharapova should easily get to the semis where should would probably play Mauresmo or Myskina. On the other side of the draw i would definatley say that Henin has the easiest route to the final. She would probably need to beat Yuan, Nakumura, Chakvetadze, Hantuchova, Hingis and then either Clijsters or Kuznetsova to get to the final. Henin is plying really well at the moment and is a force on grass. I would expect her to stroll into the semis where she would face a difficult game but she outplayed Clijsters this week and i would think she would have far too much for Kuznetsova who's never really looked that comfortable on Grass. My outright bets all taken from Betfair: £20 Nadal @ 19.5 £5 Ljubicic @ 70 £60 Henin @ 4.9 Looking to trade off with both Nadal and Ljubicic as the tournament goes on. One of these two will get to the Semis. Where i will trade off for a profit. I will probably let Henin ride as i think she will be extrmley difficult to beat this year. Sharapova hasn't been her best recently but she is brilliant on Grass and prepares for this week all year. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Nothing interests me at all today:$. Looks like being a bad day with the weather' date=' which also makes things a more unpredictable, so I'll wait until tomorrow before getting interested:ok[/quote']Weathers been mint over here for 2-3 weeks now and as soon as Wimbledon turns up the weather turns to rat! How bloody typical is that!:wall Still at least the gardeners will be happy!:loon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edtkh Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) The bet that appeals to me is Nadal. Yes' date= he is not at home on grass, but he was playing very well at Queens last week and i reckon he would have beaten Hewitt if it wasnt for his injury. He has quite an easy draw if you ask me and i would be very annoyed if he didnt get to at least the semis. He will probably have to beat Bogdanovic, Lu, Agassi,Gaudio, Ljubicic to get to the semis and then either Roddick or Hewitt in the semis. That said, as things stand, I think Nadal will have enough trouble by the 3rd or 4th Round - will be waiting for the first decent opponent he comes up against and see how the books overrate Nadal on this surface... :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmac73 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Tip Detail SportTennis EventFederer v Gasquet SelectionFederer 3 - 0 (Lay) Strength10/10 Date26/06/2006 Bookmaker/Price>Betfair @ 1.85 (Lay) ReasoningThis is a tough opening game for federer against Gasquet who won the nottingham tournament at the weekend and Gasquet beat federer last year at Monte Carlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballTennis Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Just looking at the wimbledon odds Sharapova's odds shortening by a lot and she's not even playing. Within 20 mins it shortened from 4 to about 3.25 with a lot of money available to lay at 3.3 and 3.35 Why is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Intensity Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) Just looking at the wimbledon odds Sharapova's odds shortening by a lot and she's not even playing. Within 20 mins it shortened from 4 to about 3.25 with a lot of money available to lay at 3.3 and 3.35 Why is this? Very strange:unsure. Clijsters and Hingis both winning so can't be because one of them look like going out. Have to say I think Venus is a much better bet @ 8.4, might even go for it but I'd like to see her win a round first;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballTennis Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Re: Wimbledon (M+F) I think i know why, cos the bookies have all shortened her odds to 2/1 Willhill, Ladbrokes and stanjames. Maybe its cos the brilliant look of the new grass will favour her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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