Valiant23 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Simply read this hand history as though you were playing, and fill in the blanks at the bottom.:ok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #243902815 at table: Texas Holdem Started: Fri Mar 24 16:02:15 2006 RiveRo is at seat 1 with 1760.00 ogod is at seat 2 with 1480.00 Kora123 is at seat 3 with 1350.00 TOSIO1 is at seat 4 with 1480.00 joakim1971 is at seat 5 with 1500.00 tarcy67 is at seat 6 with 1480.00 Bayfax is at seat 7 with 1500.00 wolverine3 is at seat 8 with 1480.00 Higgs23pl is at seat 9 with 1440.00 BE KOOL is at seat 10 with 1500.00 TOSIO1 posts the large blind 20.00 Kora123 posts the small blind 10.00 Kora123: --, -- TOSIO1: --, -- joakim1971: --, -- tarcy67: --, -- Bayfax: --, -- wolverine3: --, -- Higgs23pl: Ad, Ah BE KOOL: --, -- RiveRo: --, -- ogod: --, -- Pre-flop: joakim1971: Fold tarcy67: Call 20.00 Bayfax: Fold wolverine3: Fold Higgs23pl: Raise 100.00 BE KOOL: Fold RiveRo: Fold ogod: Fold Kora123: Fold TOSIO1: Call 100.00 tarcy67: Fold Flop (Board: 8d, 7s, 4s): TOSIO1: Bet 20.00 Higgs23pl: Raise 200.00 TOSIO1: Call 200.00 Turn (Board: 8d, 7s, 4s, Qs): TOSIO1: Check Higgs23pl: Check River (Board: 8d, 7s, 4s, Qs, 10h): TOSIO1: Bet 20.00 Higgs23pl: Raise 200.00 TOSIO1: Call 200.00 Showdown: Higgs23pl shows: Ad, Ah (a pair of Aces) TOSIO1 shows: Mainpot: __________wins the pot of 1030 with _________,__________ (0.00 rake were taken for this hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Tosio1 wins the main pot with two pair, 4s and 10s:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjaruk Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I'm going to say a 9-J, made a straight on the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks gotta be 5 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tax_Monkey Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Tosio1 wins the main pot with two pair' date=' 4s and 10s:ok[/quote'] Wouldn't that give him a flush? I'll go for Tosio1 wins the main pot with two pair 10 and 8. Edit: Notice what a bunch of pessimistic old gits we are, no-one gone for the aces :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I say 56 as well. Or it could be funny in the other direction, so maybe deuces... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rivers Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks i thought it had to be hole cards 4 and 10 like paul said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friskyfitz Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Two Pair Tens and Queens :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelskired Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Two Pair Tens and Queens :ok:ok Go to agree that was my first thought :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I'm changing my vote to 'I have no idea'. No way to put this guy on cards! Have a suspicion he couldn't put himself on cards during the hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjaruk Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks When do we find out the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2damnhype Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I will have a go The snowmen 8 - 8, played to perfection by Tosio :dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpurMan Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I vote for 4 10, making two pairs, bottom pair after the flop which would not constitute a call of 200, making the two pair on the River. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ooner Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks OK I agree 4 10 would be annoying and stupid but it happens to me so often I thought they might be Hungarian lucky numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I reckon he has something like A4. he hit bottom pair on the flop and bets all the way down thinking he has a good hand!! At least that's what it would be in a SO .5/.1 cash game, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morlspin Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks i reckon he has nowt and Mr V is just bragging again cos he won lol either that or he has pocket queens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robilaruk Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks dunno - he can't have a lock otherwise he would have re-raised on the end, but he has called raises twice so he must have a made hand 2pr Q 10 maybe? more likely a straight and worried about the flush possis, so prepared to call but not re-raise, so he has 56, 69 or J9 - of those all are possible, as he called with a OESD/Gutshot on the flop and got a free card on the turn if chasing his gutshot Of course it is prolly something shite like 23spades for his flush.... 10 10? called preflop hoping for just AK or AQ etc, led out with a bet on the flop to 'see where he stands' and called your raise now fearing the overpair, gladly checked the turn when the Q hits and just called the river when hit his trips scared of the flush, straight or higher trips or AA - just like you, slowplayed em to draw you in and shut down turn/river to flush and straight possibilities, as he assumed YOU were the muppet with your J9! :lol I am leaning towrds trips 10's or AA Damo :cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heniek31 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks How can no one got it yet? 27o bloody obvious :nana. Nice hand Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks dunno - but he has called raises twice so he must have a made hand That's very optimistic.:) Reason I think he could have almost anything is that he called the pre-flop raise in his BB, which plenty players will do with any two cards. Then the flop comes rags so if he's caught any piece of it, underpair or anything, even his own overcards, he's possibly going to call V's bet, because it looks like a continuation bet with AK etc. V checks the turn which confirms (maybe in his mind) that it was a continuation bet. He bets minimum on the river which looks like a bet to discourage V buying the pot, but could equally be the opposite, a fishing bet for a reraise, and the call doesn't mean anything because with the info he has there's every chance v is holding overcards that missed and is trying to but the pot. He could really have absolutely anything from bottom pair, underpair through to a non-nut flush - I don't think the information is there to really get much idea, since he didn't do any betting himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks V checks the turn which confirms (maybe in his mind) that it was a continuation bet. I think you respect the opponent too much - he has throughout either flat called Mr V's bets or Bet 20 into a pot of 100's!! A bet that IMO serves no purpose and any half decent player wouldn't make (twice!!) - it's not big enough to be a "probe bet" (and if it was a probe, Mr V gave him a clear answer!!). This opponent won't know what a continuation bet is!!! There are NO 2 cards I would say with confidence this player hasn't got ..... from 23o to AA........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks TOSIO1 showed two jokers and won the pot with an ace-high flush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe1ne Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I'm goin Ace of Spades and 2 of Clubs thinking he had the flush:lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runadrum Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks has to be 56, but we'll say suited to justify in his mind the initial call (the famed 'suited connectors') - guess is 5 6 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Silly question but is this cash or tourny play? Probably a tourny but I can't work out the size of his last bet. I'm going to guess he won with 9Jos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I'm another who thinks it was 56s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswest Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks I think you respect the opponent too much - he has throughout either flat called Mr V's bets or Bet 20 into a pot of 100's!! A bet that IMO serves no purpose and any half decent player wouldn't make (twice!!) - it's not big enough to be a "probe bet" (and if it was a probe, Mr V gave him a clear answer!!). This opponent won't know what a continuation bet is!!! There are NO 2 cards I would say with confidence this player hasn't got ..... from 23o to AA........ Certainly think you're right that he was giving this hand nowhere near as much thought as we're all doing :lol And probably right on the continuation bet as such, though I think there might be some kind of basic mechanism going on there to the effect of 'he wouldn't raise with them cards'. Basically I think I was just trying to say that with the little information we have from his flat calling and silly non-bets we can put together a believable 'story' for pretty much any hand. Thinking about that tiny betting thing, which I agree is almost always bad poker, I'm thinking of 2 reasons why people do this when they do actually have a plan, though it may be that neither apply to this guy. To keep the price down on draws, ie it's better than what their opponent would charge them, and to see if they get a flat call rather than a raise which gives information that they're in a position to buy the turn. No kind of fan of that strategy, I think they're both pretty transparent, but I suppose it could have limited use a few times before your opponent got a read on you. C'mon V, we wanna know what he had :loon Edit: And a third reason! Which happened to me in a tourney on Paradise last week when I flopped the nut straight, slider tab randomly stopped working! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rivers Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks The suspense is killing me. where's mr.V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe1ne Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks He's probably at the casino already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant23 Posted March 25, 2006 Author Share Posted March 25, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Sorry all - I planned to answer this sometime yesterday but got sent 250 miles away at about 1730, didn't get back home til about half past one.:sad Preflop 5xBB (2nd or 3rd hand in the MTT) I thought it was a healthy enough raise to chase the crap away. The board showed possible made straight, and when he bet 20 initially I had him on a draw, and tried to make him pay, hence the 10xBB bet - I was prepared to drop in the face of any raise, as surely TOSIO would do if he had 5,6 - in case I was holding spade hole cards. When the spade came on the turn I was mortified, hence the check. I was happy to accept his check as a sign that the spade scared him as much too, but was nervous about betting into a hand where I was so obviously the underdog (I thought). I tried one last bet to see what he had. I had no idea - apart from the straight or flush, and his small bets indicated one pair. I re-raised in the hope that he'd fold. Anyway, the answer is...... :drums :drums :drums :drums :drums -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #243902815 at table: Texas Holdem Started: Fri Mar 24 16:02:15 2006 RiveRo is at seat 1 with 1760.00 ogod is at seat 2 with 1480.00 Kora123 is at seat 3 with 1350.00 TOSIO1 is at seat 4 with 1480.00 joakim1971 is at seat 5 with 1500.00 tarcy67 is at seat 6 with 1480.00 Bayfax is at seat 7 with 1500.00 wolverine3 is at seat 8 with 1480.00 Higgs23pl is at seat 9 with 1440.00 BE KOOL is at seat 10 with 1500.00 TOSIO1 posts the large blind 20.00 Kora123 posts the small blind 10.00 Kora123: --, -- TOSIO1: --, -- joakim1971: --, -- tarcy67: --, -- Bayfax: --, -- wolverine3: --, -- Higgs23pl: Ad, Ah BE KOOL: --, -- RiveRo: --, -- ogod: --, -- Pre-flop: joakim1971: Fold tarcy67: Call 20.00 Bayfax: Fold wolverine3: Fold Higgs23pl: Raise 100.00 BE KOOL: Fold RiveRo: Fold ogod: Fold Kora123: Fold TOSIO1: Call 100.00 tarcy67: Fold Flop (Board: 8d, 7s, 4s): TOSIO1: Bet 20.00 Higgs23pl: Raise 200.00 TOSIO1: Call 200.00 Turn (Board: 8d, 7s, 4s, Qs): TOSIO1: Check Higgs23pl: Check River (Board: 8d, 7s, 4s, Qs, 10h): TOSIO1: Bet 20.00 Higgs23pl: Raise 200.00 TOSIO1: Call 200.00 Showdown: Higgs23pl shows: Ad, Ah (a pair of Aces) TOSIO1 shows: Qd, 8c (2 pair) :@ :@ Mainpot: TOSIO wins the pot of 1030 with 2pair, queens and eights (0.00 rake were taken for this hand) I posted the hand history in this way to see if anyone else could see what I missed, and I am extremely relieved to see that no one else saw it too. Was it bad play on my part (I don't think so btw), or one of those things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philossify Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Re: Fill In The Blanks Just one of those things I think. Might have been a cheapo fixed limit cash game player having a punt at an STT and not believeing you and having a slightly above average hand (was it an STT?) thinking they will see the flop. Also if someones playing "relaxation poker" for stakes that they aren't worried about losing then they can play totally non logically. IMHO..... Once the 8 comes up then his (and your play) is vaguely OK (only vaguely). The 20 bets bt TOSIO seem a bit strange - to my mind he should be making a decision as to whether he's ahead or not and either trap checking or making pot size and beyond bets. Mind you some people play softly-softly and just go with the flow - and usually end up getting nibbled away. :D hey if you want revenge looks like TOSIO is in the 13:00 $10 game on SO as am I . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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