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6.10 Worcester 

Kauto The King 27 7/1 ( my odds 4/1)

Lermoos  Legend 27 9/2 ( my odds 4/1

Theonlywayiswessex 23 5/2 ( my odds 5/1

I was going to have 1 point each on Kauto and Lermoos as they are both top rated and they were both 7/1 just a couple of hours ago but Lermoos has been backed into 9/2 so that just leaves Kauto . 2 points win .

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Just put this one up early. Put it in my tracker after Saturday's disappointment with the comments - " well handicapped, apprentice jock couldn't get to settle and cost any chance, look for a pro jockey riding". Well today Clifford Lee takes over and it has been 'nibbled' in the betting.

4.55 Ham Sycamore Gap - 8/1 with 365 (who are paying 3 places) .. so have had a good EW bet

May be others later but this one up early.

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Pride Of Nepal                                                   7 35 Eps                     1/40th of a pt ew   50/1     - 4th

Holder                                                                 8 05 Eps                     1/40th of a pt ew   28/1

Circus Time                                                        8 40 Eps                      1/40th of a pt ew  20/1      - 2nd

Seamore                                                             6 30 Eps                      1/40th of a pt ew  10/1

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7 minutes ago, black rabbit said:

Pride Of Nepal                                                   7 35 Eps                     1/40th of a pt ew   50/1

Holder                                                                 8 05 Eps                     1/40th of a pt ew   28/1

Circus Time                                                        8 40 Eps                      1/40th of a pt ew  20/1

You get some nice prices off your mate 🙂

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16 hours ago, richard-westwood said:

405 chep

Just the one qualifier ULTRAMARINE ....11.88% EDGE 1.66 14/1

1PT EW 

# Horse Odds Rating Val
1 Airshow 10 108.81 75.89
2 Hurricane Power 8 107.04 48.48
3 Professor Tickle 21 105.53 100.00
4 Ultramarine 13 105.53 61.90
5 Beyond Equal 7.5 104.02 25.97
6 Jax Edge 5.5 102.51 11.90
7 Howzak 3.75 93.47  
8 Vape 11 91.96  
9 Endowed 41 88.94  

Pushing my beginner's luck with Airshow 9/1 win and Prof T 20/1 e/w.

I'm already effing with the formula as I've tried throwing the OR into the mix which is what the above reflects. Leaving that out (as per yesterday) would still see Airshow top rated and make it best value and would see Beyond Equal and Vape as 2nd and 3rd rated and value.

As I've said, this is mainly an exercise in refining the spreadsheet with a side order of a bit of fun backing a couple of selections. Can you give me a very quick beginners guide as to the value (or otherwise) in these numbers when assessing a race.

  1. The OR
  2. The RP Topspeed figure
  3. The RP "RPR" rating

IGNORE THE ABOVE - THERE WAS AN ERROR IN ONE OF THE COLUMNS! SEE UPDATE BELOW.

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Noticed an error in the formula
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2 hours ago, Bang on said:

Just put this one up early. Put it in my tracker after Saturday's disappointment with the comments - " well handicapped, apprentice jock couldn't get to settle and cost any chance, look for a pro jockey riding". Well today Clifford Lee takes over and it has been 'nibbled' in the betting.

4.55 Ham Sycamore Gap - 8/1 with 365 (who are paying 3 places) .. so have had a good EW bet

May be others later but this one up early.

Horse seems a bit mental so I was trying to find some quotes about it. Apparently the Detective Chief Inspector investigating the Sycamore Gap felling is called Rebecca Fenney-Menzies. Seems like a glitch in the matrix or something.

 

Forget that, must have been named because of that! First race was after the event 😂

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# Horse Odds Rating Val
1 Beyond Equal 7.5 110.91 92.89
2 Howzak 3.75 109.39 39.97
3 Airshow 10 108.81 100.00
4 Ultramarine 13 106.59 97.29
5 Hurricane Power 8 102.24 20.39
6 Vape 11 99.41  
7 Jax Edge 5.5 97.00  
8 Endowed 41 87.90  
9 Professor Tickle 21 77.74  

There was an error in the originally posted ratings. Luckily Airshow still comes out as the best value but the Professor slightly less so! :$

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Lots of interest today, some at EW prices. Not sure if I'll be backing everything but these are worth a second look.

3.00 Chep - Dynamite Katie - 5/1  ( has been much bigger). Was rated 31lbs higher when moving to this yard a year ago. Last 2 runs has made the running and then weakened - but has won over the distance, maybe today ?

2.50 Ham - Rain Cap - 7/1 - won this race in 2022, and was runner up last year.

 

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16 hours ago, Villa Chris said:

8.05 Epsom 

Hodler 26 12/1 (my odds 7/1)

Little Boy Blue 24  15/2 (my odds 15/2)

Marlay Park 23 7/1 ( my odds 8/1)

Paws For Thought 23 10/1 (my odds 8/1) 

Top rated is the bet and also the biggest edge . 2 points win Hodler .

# Horse Odds Rating Val
1 Hodler 23 104.57 55.61
2 Little Boy Blue 19 103.79 38.06
3 Miami Thunder 51 103.71 100.00
4 Paws For Thought 15 102.93 23.24
5 Guiteau 5.5 101.89 5.49
6 Miss Information 2 101.51 1.59
7 Marlay Park 10 100.18 0.98
8 Dream Of Mischief 11 98.95  
9 Voodoo Ray 34 94.78  
10 Miguel 51 87.70  

I guess it's all about price here as there's not much in it in terms of the ratings from 1 down to 7. I've done Miami Thunder, Hodler and Little Boy Blue each way. Fav may end up going off odds on.

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1 minute ago, harry_rag said:
# Horse Odds Rating Val
1 Hodler 23 104.57 55.61
2 Little Boy Blue 19 103.79 38.06
3 Miami Thunder 51 103.71 100.00
4 Paws For Thought 15 102.93 23.24
5 Guiteau 5.5 101.89 5.49
6 Miss Information 2 101.51 1.59
7 Marlay Park 10 100.18 0.98
8 Dream Of Mischief 11 98.95  
9 Voodoo Ray 34 94.78  
10 Miguel 51 87.70  

I guess it's all about price here as there's not much in it in terms of the ratings from 1 down to 7. I've done Miami Thunder, Hodler and Little Boy Blue each way. Fav may end up going off odds on.

We basically have the same top 4 minus 1 and in order too.  Tough race. Read something other day stop trying to pick winners and pick value and you’ll come out on top more. 

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Hows it going folks !!! hope youre all doing well !! 

 

4.30 leicester - measured moments 7/1 ( nap )

3.00 chepstow - the cola kid 15/2 

2.20 hamilton - station x 10/1

7.10 killarney - morricone 7/1 

2.40 leicester - hackney diamonds 13/2

 

good luck out there !!

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Taking a closer look at the 4:05 Chepstow now I've fixed the error in the spreadsheet.

Happy with Airshow as it's 3rd rated and top for value. Top 4 well clear of the field but Howzak quite short. That leaves Beyond Equal and Ultramarine which score very closely for the value indicator. With the latter being biggest odds and flagged by @richard-westwood it's looking like a more viable choice for a second selection than Prof Tickle.

If sorted by minimum rating then Beyond Equal and Airshow are the only ones that everyone rates above average with Ultramarine and Hurricane Power just short and clear of the rest. If sorted by maximum then Endowed is the runt of the litter as the only one that no-one rates above average. Howzak is clear top rated with Beyond Equal, Airshow and Ultramarine well clear of the rest.

I'll add Ultramarine win only with Howzak and Beyond Equal looking strong but left alone on the basis of price.

# Horse Odds Rating Val
1 Beyond Equal 6.5 110.91 71.71
2 Howzak 3.25 109.39 30.86
3 Airshow 9 108.81 80.17
4 Ultramarine 15 106.59 100.00
5 Hurricane Power 8.5 102.24 19.29
6 Vape 10 99.41  
7 Jax Edge 6 97.00  
8 Endowed 41 87.90  
9 Professor Tickle 21 77.74  

Latest prices; Ultramarine now flagged as best value.

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Quick deeper dive on the Chepstow Epsom race. 

Paws for thought, Hodler and Miami Thunder the only horses unanimously rated as above average when ranked by lowest rating. Hodler and Thunder 2nd and 3rd when ranked by highest rating with Guiteau taking top spot and Miss Information in 4th. No surprise if either of the top two in the betting win it but as I've got nothing to go on barring my half-arsed ratings I'm happy with the 3 at bigger prices.

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6 minutes ago, harry_rag said:

Quick deeper dive on the Chepstow race. 

Paws for thought, Hodler and Miami Thunder the only horses unanimously rated as above average when ranked by lowest rating. Hodler and Thunder 2nd and 3rd when ranked by highest rating with Guiteau taking top spot and Miss Information in 4th. No surprise if either of the top two in the betting win it but as I've got nothing to go on barring my half-arsed ratings I'm happy with the 3 at bigger prices.

Epsom*

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@Villa Chris 

@harry_rag

I've rated that 805 for interest 

Hodler. 12% edge 2.76 avail 22/1

Little boy blue.  13.55%. Edge 2.43 avail 18/1

Dream of mischief 11%. Edge 1.23 avail 11/1

Miss inform tissue 8.6 avail 2.0 poor 

Guteau. Tissue 7.6. Avail 6.0 poor 

Massive edges on hodler and little boy blue so Ew bets ....not sure whether to include dream .....although all 3 qualify 

We must be getting it right cos we are getting roughly the same horses 

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18 hours ago, Villa Chris said:

6.10 Worcester 

Kauto The King 27 7/1 ( my odds 4/1)

Lermoos  Legend 27 9/2 ( my odds 4/1

Theonlywayiswessex 23 5/2 ( my odds 5/1

I was going to have 1 point each on Kauto and Lermoos as they are both top rated and they were both 7/1 just a couple of hours ago but Lermoos has been backed into 9/2 so that just leaves Kauto . 2 points win .

# Horse Odds Rating Val
1 Kauto The King (FR) 10 106.41 100.00
2 Cawthorne Banker (IRE) 6 101.91 17.85
3 Neigh Botha (IRE) 5 104.38 34.15
4 Theonlywayiswessex (FR) 4.5 98.18  
5 Lermoos Legend 5 99.18  
6 Mix Of Clover 13 97.72  
7 Herecomeshogan (IRE) 10 92.22  

Might as well try my hand at a jumps race! The top 3 are the top 3 however you slice this one, with Kauto the best value. Could make a case for the e/w at 8s to 3 places but I'll go win only at a point longer and cover the 3 in forecasts.

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20 hours ago, richard-westwood said:

405 chep

Just the one qualifier ULTRAMARINE ....11.88% EDGE 1.66 14/1

1PT EW 

Absolutely crap start ....was 8 lengths off the pace and has finished 4th somehow ....crap ride ....too much to do ....much better than that 

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13 minutes ago, richard-westwood said:

Absolutely crap start ....was 8 lengths off the pace and has finished 4th somehow ....crap ride ....too much to do ....much better than that 

I'll just take solace in the decision to call the top two rated "too short" with them finishing 2nd and 3rd. I'd rather lose taking a tilt at a decent price than backing a more obvious short priced selection.

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4 hours ago, Bang on said:

Lots of interest today, some at EW prices. Not sure if I'll be backing everything but these are worth a second look.

3.00 Chep - Dynamite Katie - 5/1  ( has been much bigger). Was rated 31lbs higher when moving to this yard a year ago. Last 2 runs has made the running and then weakened - but has won over the distance, maybe today ?

2.50 Ham - Rain Cap - 7/1 - won this race in 2022, and was runner up last year.

 

Dynamite Katie - 2nd

Rain Cap - lost - never really got involved.

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