ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 hi i have decided to start a poker diary. first i will start by introducing myself i am Ashley Jenkin age 24 and i live in cornwall i first got into poker by playing small home games and watching it on tv from about 5 years back then i seen an advertisement one day on tv about online poker so i decided to try it out i started at pkr where for the first 500 games i was a break even player now im 2400 games in with an avg stake of $4 and im up $4,000 in profit with an 88% roi which i think is pretty good. something a bit different to my normal. what i plan on doing is grinding up a bankroll on stars at the $4.50 180 man sng's (non turbos) so as these are non turbos im thinking 100 buy ins is more than enough, just a few questions if anyone wouldnt mind giving feedback on. 1.what downswing can i expect at the $4.50 180 man sngs (non turbos) 2.how many buy ins do u think i will need 3.what roi do you think is attainable over the long run ok thanks so im not going to go crazy on the volume to start off with. i will be posting hands and hoping to discuss strategy...............gl at the tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs first session now starting just going to go with 4 tables at a time to start with, hopefully i get some interesting spots to post or bink one of em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs All the best with this. 100 buy ins should be enough according to most so I would think a 50-60 buyin or so down swing is possible? 88% roi is exceptional, I am interested to know if that was on PKR, if so I am pretty sure it will be less on Stars. Low volume on Stars is one thing mind you so 88% might be possible there. Problem is to make much at $4.50 buy ins even with a 88% roi is you need high volume. High volume- roi must drop, even for the best. I think a lot of people fail by thinking volume is the most important thing. I am begining to think increasing stakes as you win is a far better approach but that requires strict bankroll management which is a problem for degenerate gamblers like me and quite a few other poker players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs whats the best time to play these 180 man $4.50 sngs because i cant believe how long there taking to fill considering pokerstars player base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs thanks for the feedback glceud appreciate the advice and the 88% roi was on pkr but that was from playing 2400 mtts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs first session now starting just going to go with 4 tables at a time to start with' date=' hopefully i get some interesting spots to post or bink one of em![/quote'] lmao at that ive been regged to one for 20 mins and its not even half fill, i thought it would literally take like 5 mins to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs got a 2nd up and running...............nice double up straight away. PokerStars Hand #95737391384: Tournament #705545854, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2013/03/18 11:17:54 WET [2013/03/18 7:17:54 ET] Table '705545854 8' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: powerpokerBR (1750 in chips) Seat 2: viacheslav.b (1420 in chips) Seat 3: Andryxa89 (1430 in chips) Seat 4: kubachelten (1376 in chips) Seat 5: uwitzjulijul (1480 in chips) Seat 6: andrei5024 (1374 in chips) Seat 7: ashj22 (1480 in chips) Seat 8: Cypriote16 (1750 in chips) Seat 9: Moni201 (1440 in chips) ashj22: posts small blind 10 Cypriote16: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ashj22 [Ac Js] Moni201: folds powerpokerBR: folds viacheslav.b: folds Andryxa89: folds kubachelten: raises 20 to 40 uwitzjulijul: calls 40 andrei5024: folds ashj22: calls 30 Cypriote16: folds *** FLOP *** [6h Jh Tc] ashj22: checks kubachelten: checks uwitzjulijul: bets 100 ashj22: calls 100 kubachelten: folds *** TURN *** [6h Jh Tc] [2s] ashj22: checks uwitzjulijul: bets 300 ashj22: calls 300 *** RIVER *** [6h Jh Tc 2s] [3c] ashj22: checks uwitzjulijul: bets 1040 and is all-in ashj22: calls 1040 and is all-in *** SHOW DOWN *** uwitzjulijul: shows [Qs 9s] (high card Queen) ashj22: shows [Ac Js] (a pair of Jacks) ashj22 collected 3020 from pot uwitzjulijul finished the tournament in 167th place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 3020 | Rake 0 Board [6h Jh Tc 2s 3c] Seat 1: powerpokerBR folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: viacheslav.b folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Andryxa89 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: kubachelten folded on the Flop Seat 5: uwitzjulijul showed [Qs 9s] and lost with high card Queen Seat 6: andrei5024 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: ashj22 (small blind) showed [Ac Js] and won (3020) with a pair of Jacks Seat 8: Cypriote16 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Moni201 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_eastern_ram Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs I used to grind these for a while before moving onto MTT's, by late afternoon they're usually filling up pretty quick, in the evening they're starting up very quickly. They pay places 18-27 now dont they? You find quite a few regs playing these, the later stages can be quite tough which is where I struggled. I cashed a lot but didnt top 3 enough. Think my ROI was about 10% over quite a small sample. GL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs Yes 2400 is enough to put faith in the roi in my eyes (others will disagree)but I was assuming that the idea was to win $4000 far quicker. 2400 in a year is one thing much more is another matter unless you have 40 spare hours a week. I never play on Stars, the players are better there end off. The problem is you should still have the $4000 as your bank roll and either be playing $40 games by now or have hit a wall, which is what always happens to me when I try managing my bankroll. I know my limitations as a poker player after countless attempts to move up levels. I'm just jealous cos your 24 and if online poker had been around when I was 24 I'd be writing this on a yacht in the caribbean.:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs @ south_eastern_ram yeah thats correct 27 places pay, shame they fill up quick in the evening because i plan on playing these in day time and cash games in the evening lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs quick update while im in the break i had 4 running no.1 1h 11 mins in 61/64 no.2 45 mins in 38/104 no.3 busted ran qq into kk will post hand later to hopefully get feedback on it no.4 1 min 74/179 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs come on you beauty!!!!!!!!!! doubled up in no.1 and trebled up in no.2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs pffffff busted no.1 and no.4 but in no.2 im 1/64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs right on 2nd break just the 1 left from the 4 i played im 3/44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs ok so here is one of the bust out hands,probaly silly even asking if its standard but can i get away here? PokerStars Hand #95738491469: Tournament #705553469, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2013/03/18 11:53:48 WET [2013/03/18 7:53:48 ET] Table '705553469 18' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: naitlis (1660 in chips) Seat 2: iQube (1520 in chips) Seat 3: Delta39x (1260 in chips) Seat 4: Scothh (2280 in chips) Seat 5: sotirakis33 (1680 in chips) Seat 6: welliton17 (1440 in chips) Seat 7: Zithenn (1265 in chips) Seat 8: ashj22 (1525 in chips) Seat 9: Hfpev (2310 in chips) iQube: posts small blind 15 Delta39x: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ashj22 [Qh Qd] Scothh: raises 30 to 60 sotirakis33: folds welliton17: folds Zithenn: calls 60 ashj22: raises 150 to 210 Hfpev: folds naitlis: folds iQube: folds Delta39x: folds Scothh: raises 2070 to 2280 and is all-in Zithenn: folds ashj22: calls 1315 and is all-in Uncalled bet (755) returned to Scothh *** FLOP *** [Kd 5d 4c] *** TURN *** [Kd 5d 4c] [Jd] *** RIVER *** [Kd 5d 4c Jd] [5c] *** SHOW DOWN *** Scothh: shows [Ks Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Fives) ashj22: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fives) Scothh collected 3155 from pot ashj22 finished the tournament in 143rd place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 3155 | Rake 0 Board [Kd 5d 4c Jd 5c] Seat 1: naitlis (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: iQube (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: Delta39x (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: Scothh showed [Ks Kh] and won (3155) with a full house, Kings full of Fives Seat 5: sotirakis33 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: welliton17 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Zithenn folded before Flop Seat 8: ashj22 showed [Qh Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fives Seat 9: Hfpev folded before Flop (didn't bet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs ITM 2/27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs the river counterfeited me twice when i had two pair in descent sized pots aswell FFS! still in though 9/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs ft 8/9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs am out 8/180 ******* donkey called my shove with qjs what a fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs i have a few hands to post a bit later if i could get feedback on them would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs standard move? PokerStars Hand #95738756761: Tournament #705534736, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2013/03/18 12:03:15 WET [2013/03/18 8:03:15 ET] Table '705534736 11' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: hard2crack (8230 in chips) Seat 2: IvgvardV (3390 in chips) Seat 3: Chewporka (3931 in chips) Seat 4: Dan4ik17 (4336 in chips) Seat 5: dexter777720 (5725 in chips) Seat 6: ashj22 (1235 in chips) Seat 7: schepok (7379 in chips) Seat 8: ilivad (1748 in chips) Seat 9: pacino_k (2315 in chips) IvgvardV: posts small blind 75 Chewporka: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ashj22 [2h 2d] Dan4ik17: raises 300 to 450 dexter777720: folds ashj22: raises 785 to 1235 and is all-in schepok: folds ilivad: folds pacino_k: folds hard2crack: folds IvgvardV: folds Chewporka: folds Dan4ik17: calls 785 *** FLOP *** [7s 8s Qd] *** TURN *** [7s 8s Qd] [9d] *** RIVER *** [7s 8s Qd 9d] [Qc] *** SHOW DOWN *** Dan4ik17: shows [Ah Ks] (a pair of Queens) ashj22: shows [2h 2d] (two pair, Queens and Deuces) ashj22 collected 2695 from po Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs Not keen at all on that with pocket 2's racing at best and not gtd to even be heads up in the hand. Think it's bet first worry about your cards later in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs so far 4 played = $18 and 1 cash 8/180 for $16.23 so im -$1.77. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs @glceud i think its fine imo i have 8bb and the blinds are coming round im not just gonna sit around and blind down i think its fine to take a shot here. thanks for the feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs Your not going to blind down, your going to shove the first unopened pot, massive difference. Your play you have no fold equity and a fair chance of being a mile behind thats why I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hebert10 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs GL buddy 88% ROI looks like you know what your doing, how many tables do you play at a time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs ty hebert10 at the minute the max i play is just 4 tables but i can quite comfortably 6 table cash games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs I used to grind these all the time, I think I have played 3/4k of them lifetime and have some nice profit in them, theres a guide wrtitten by shaundeeb around on 2+2 I remember reading years back it's def worth checking out. I think best time is 4pm to 9pm just keep registering and you can easily have 20 tables up and running within 2 hours. They used to be soft I don't think 100 buyins is a must in these games I think 20-30 is fine if your a good player.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs did u just grind the non turbo $4.50 180 man sngs? if so what roi did u attain over 3/4k games. lol im not ready to 20 table yet. and agree i personally think 50 buy ins is fine for these particular sngs as there not turbos. thanks for the advice appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashj22 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Re: Diary on the $4.50 180 man sngs @glceud yes 2400 imo is an ok sample but thats for mtts on pkr and the 4k profit i grinded up a did over a couple of years as i dont play tons of volume just kept plugging away and trying to always improve. no the idea isnt to make 4k quicker........although i wouldnt say no! the idea is to build up a roll on stars then either move up stakes or switch to mtts, not sure yet.yes agree there are some really good players on stars but it does also depend on what your playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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