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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 136 bets +28% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

SPREAD SYSTEM

these bets

DOMESTIC

CL+UEFA

ALL

2

121

15

136

bets

100.0%

51.2%

46.7%

50.7%

wins

0.0%

4.1%

0.0%

3.7%

level

0.0%

44.6%

53.3%

45.6%

losses

9.00

626.15

108.75

734.90

staked

100%

30%

14%

28%

yield

9.00

188.15

15.55

203.70

profit

SPREAD SYSTEM

spread

stake per

date

home

away

corners

bet

corner

corners

profit

12/9/09

getafe

barcelona

10.00

u

1

7

3.00

13/9/09

inter milan

parma

11.00

u

3

9

6.00

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 136 bets +28% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

SPREAD SYSTEM

these bets

DOMESTIC

CL+UEFA

ALL

1

122

15

137

bets

0.0%

50.8%

46.7%

50.4%

wins

0.0%

4.1%

0.0%

3.6%

level

100.0%

45.1%

53.3%

46.0%

losses

1.75

627.90

108.75

736.65

staked

-100%

30%

14%

27%

yield

-1.75

186.40

15.55

201.95

profit

SPREAD SYSTEM

spread

stake per

date

home

away

corners

bet

corner

corners

profit

14/9/09

MK Dons

Norwich

11.25

u

1

13

-1.75

19/9/09

Arsenal

Wigan

11.50

u

3

19/9/09

West Ham

Liverpool

11.50

u

3

20/9/09

Man United

Man City

11.25

u

3

20/9/09

Chelsea

Tottenham

11.50

u

3

20/9/09

Roma

Fiorentina

11.25

o

1

20/9/09

Valencia

Sp Gijon

10.75

u

3

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 136 bets +28% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

SPREAD SYSTEM

these bets

DOMESTIC

CL+UEFA

ALL

2

124

15

139

bets

100.0%

51.6%

46.7%

51.1%

wins

0.0%

4.0%

0.0%

3.6%

level

0.0%

44.4%

53.3%

45.3%

losses

15.00

642.90

108.75

751.65

staked

100%

31%

14%

29%

yield

15.00

201.40

15.55

216.95

profit

SPREAD SYSTEM

spread

stake per

date

home

away

corners

bet

corner

corners

profit

19/9/09

Arsenal

Wigan

11.50

u

3

10

4.50

19/9/09

West Ham

Liverpool

11.50

u

3

8

10.50

boom
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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 139 bets +29% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! well ale, thats' a +11.25 profit from a stake of 30.75 meaning a +37% yield from the weekend. the three bets came out trumps overall.

SPREAD SYSTEM

these bets

ALL

4

143

bets

50.0%

51.0%

wins

0.0%

3.5%

level

50.0%

45.5%

losses

15.75

767.40

staked

-24%

28%

yield

-3.75

213.20

profit

SPREAD SYSTEM

spread

stake per

date

home

away

corners

bet

corner

corners

profit

20/9/09

Man U

Man City

11.25

u

3

12

-2.25

20/9/09

Chelsea

Tottenham

11.50

u

3

14

-7.50

20/9/09

Roma

Fiorentina

11.25

o

1

12

0.75

20/9/09

Valencia

Sp Gijon

10.75

u

3

9

5.25

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 139 bets +29% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! i may paste this table up now and then- how much profit i am off each yield level. so if i played one more match and won +7.70 my yield would rise to +29%

YIELD CHANGE

32%

41.65

31%

30.01

30%

18.70

29%

7.70

27%

-1.70

26%

-7.78

25%

-13.95

24%

-20.23

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 143 bets +28% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

SPREAD SYSTEM

these bets

ALL

2

145

bets

100.0%

51.7%

wins

0.0%

3.4%

level

0.0%

44.8%

losses

25.25

792.65

staked

100%

30%

yield

25.25

238.45

profit

SPREAD SYSTEM

spread

stake per

date

home

away

corners

bet

corner

corners

profit

22/9/09

Racing

Barcelona

10.50

u

3

5

16.50

22/9/09

Sevilla

Mallorca

10.75

u

5

9

8.75

boom! boom! :nana:cheers:drums:beer
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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! Cheers mate. Great yield isnt it. I really believe that this is an awesome system. How many bets do i go before raising the stakes from ten p per point? I have around 50 quid in the account. Also how many bets do i need before i can say that i have a system that is whipping the spread companies? I have run a few stats and chi tests and they come out at 100% significance. I was thinking of going 20p stakes now. Maximum loss is ten corners so that means a ten quid loss for a 5 point bet or about 25% of my bank. Suppose that is too large on one bet as some weekends there may be 10 bets on the go. Any advice?

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! Think your proofing over the last few months speaks for itself, mate I am already on the quids. The initial £30 is now at £80 :notworthy, was thinking more when do I go onto the tenners!!

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! M ... I looked at them but couldn't work them out into a strike rate .... but then I forgot that your spread betting .... so your correct 51.7% of the time ? Here's a handy excel formula for you =LOG(series of bets) / -LOG(1-(strike rate)) so in a series of 2000 bets and a strike rate of 51.7% the formula would be =LOG(2000) / -LOG(1-0.517)) this will give you the longest losing run. =LOG(2000) / -LOG(0.517) will give you the longest winning run. I make that a losing run of 10 is possible.

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

M ... I looked at them but couldn't work them out into a strike rate .... but then I forgot that your spread betting .... so your correct 51.7% of the time ? Here's a handy excel formula for you =LOG(series of bets) / -LOG(1-(strike rate)) so in a series of 2000 bets and a strike rate of 51.7% the formula would be =LOG(2000) / -LOG(1-0.517)) this will give you the longest losing run. =LOG(2000) / -LOG(0.517) will give you the longest winning run. I make that a losing run of 10 is possible.
Kanga, there is no point staking up for a 10 game losing run only for your win to be preceeded by another 7 or 8 game losing streak. I find trying to calculate anything (amount to stake, ROI, losing runs etc) with spreads is very difficult.
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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! SJ ... I totally agree with you ... what you're correctly pointing out are "losing patches" where you get a run of losers and 1 winner followed by another run of losers making a total "patch" of 1 win in 17/18 I didn't want to dampen the thread too much as in the excitement of the success the staking suggested was crazy.

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

SJ ... I totally agree with you ... what you're correctly pointing out are "losing patches" where you get a run of losers and 1 winner followed by another run of losers making a total "patch" of 1 win in 17/18 I didn't want to dampen the thread too much as in the excitement of the success the staking suggested was crazy.
Please expand. I would be keen to hear what you would stake if this is your system given a bank of, say, £1000.
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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! If there is a 1% chance of a losing run happening .... then there is a 5% chance of the same losing patch happening, but this figure is strike rate dependent and applies to around a 25% strike rate. I don't have the exact formula for this .... sorry. I allow for a "losing patch" of 32/33 bets for a strike rate of 25% as my systems tend to be around this %. I'm not sure if the maths are correct to just half this and say allow a losing patch of 16 for a 50% strike rate but it doesn't sound too far off to me. You then have to work out what average losing amounts could be ... I don't think you could expect a 10 corner loss for each of 16 matches on the trot ? If we say that a loss is 3 corners for each of those 16 matches that's a 48 point losing patch. Staking at 1% of bank would equal a bank risk of 48% which seems reasonable to me.

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! M ... just picking up from barrheads comment of unders/overs ( I would imagine on betfair) could you run the odds on this to see the yield as a comparison ? Trying to word this delicately but do the 1 to 3 staking suggestions do what they say on the tin :loon Great work :ok

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! K. What do you mean about the 1 to 3 stakes? I tweaked the stakes to maximise yield and they correlate with the error between my estimate and the actual number of corners so i am quite happy with that part. As for betfair i have considered it. However you do pay commission and my system relies heavily on my estimate being more accurate than the bookie. When they get it wrong i win. When they get it even more wrong i win more. It lends itself to spreads and i would not get this sort of return if i played the 0 to 9, 10 to 12, 13+ or even over or under a specific corner quote. I may put up a few prices for a couple of weeks though to track and prove my point to you and myself. So 1% bank per point per corner then? I will implement this on my personal betting but will still post in points per corner and let the followers work out there own costs. Thanks for all the advice so far. Its been great. ;-)

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

I may put up a few prices for a couple of weeks though to track and prove my point to you and myself.
just looked on betfair at the genoa juve game. they offer low, med, high corner (0-9, 10-12, 13+) match coners (genoa, juve or tie) total corners (under 10.7 or over 11.1) the third bet is a spread bet (the bookies is 10.50 to 11). taking into account 5% commission, this offers value for a few corner under 10. if 10 corners BF price post 5% is 10.66 10 = 10.66 9 = 10.61 8= 10.56 7 = 10.51 6 = 10.46 5 = 10.41 4 = 10.36 3 = 10.31 2 = 10.26 1 = 10.21 0 = 10.16 still not sure due to lack of liquidity, but will keep an eye.
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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! Hi M .... I think 1% is going to be a fair balance between profit and liability, even if there is a really bad patch with big average spreads you should be safe, you could push it to 1.25% or even 1.5% but personally I wouldn't go any further until you build more data. Regards the 1-3 staking, I read this as a sort of confidence guide and wondered if it was proving to be accurate ? e.g had you staked 3 points on all 1 point recommendations would you have shown more profit .... from what you've said above it seems you have this spot on, I noticed on a norwich match you lost very little as it was a 1 pointer. I'd be very interested to see what you come up with for betfair, if we all lump into the spreads then things may alter, value is key as you point out but with you're skills i'm sure you can translate a system. :ok

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !! Yes k the stakes are linked to accuracy. So a larger stake means i am more sure the bookie has it wrong. I stake proportionally so. I will investigate the betfair odds this weekend. At the end of the day it is yield that counts. Profit is derived from this. Followers can determine what each point means to them and stake accordingly.

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Re: Total Corners: spreads = 145 bets +30% yield, fixed odds = 137 bets +80% yield !!

SPREAD SYSTEM

spread

stake per

date

home

away

corners

bet

corner

26/9/09

Stoke

Man Utd

11.50

u

3

26/9/09

Liverpool

Hull

11.50

o

1

LFC match is with extrabet. Nothing on BFair? either market not present or no liquidity. search on left hand side for "corners" oh well..
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