staffy Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit Nice one AJ. keep up good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooloovoo Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit well done AJ, following this with interest :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit Bah. PokerStars Game #23081175093: Tournament #128236592, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/12/20 1:39:05 ET Table '128236592 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: heyra4 (2910 in chips) Seat 3: Twisted Lack (1930 in chips) Seat 4: buckklr (1680 in chips) Seat 6: hierhasen (4440 in chips) Seat 7: Cuse2010 (1420 in chips) Seat 8: asjohnstone (1520 in chips) Seat 9: spizzo2386 (1100 in chips) heyra4: posts the ante 5 Twisted Lack: posts the ante 5 buckklr: posts the ante 5 hierhasen: posts the ante 5 Cuse2010: posts the ante 5 asjohnstone: posts the ante 5 spizzo2386: posts the ante 5 Twisted Lack: posts small blind 25 buckklr: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to asjohnstone [Ac Ah] hierhasen: calls 50 Cuse2010: folds asjohnstone: calls 50 spizzo2386: calls 50 heyra4: folds Twisted Lack: calls 25 buckklr: raises 1625 to 1675 and is all-in hierhasen: raises 2760 to 4435 and is all-in asjohnstone: calls 1465 and is all-in spizzo2386: folds Twisted Lack: folds Uncalled bet (2760) returned to hierhasen *** FLOP *** [Ts Td 5c] *** TURN *** [Ts Td 5c] [3h] *** RIVER *** [Ts Td 5c 3h] [Kc] *** SHOW DOWN *** buckklr: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Queens and Tens) hierhasen: shows [Kh Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Tens) hierhasen collected 320 from side pot asjohnstone: shows [Ac Ah] (two pair, Aces and Tens) hierhasen collected 4680 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 5000 Main pot 4680. Side pot 320. | Rake 0 Board [Ts Td 5c 3h Kc] Seat 1: heyra4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Twisted Lack (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: buckklr (big blind) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens Seat 6: hierhasen showed [Kh Ks] and won (5000) with a full house, Kings full of Tens Seat 7: Cuse2010 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: asjohnstone showed [Ac Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens Seat 9: spizzo2386 folded before Flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit There was actually a serious strat question based on the above had, wasn't a whinge, honset. So I slow play the flat call the Aces in an attempt to induce a steal, it's been a very loose table. In retrospect hierhasen is doing exactly the same with his Kings. The small blind duly obliges and pushes with his queens, the guy with the KK of course calls. So here's my question, with 7 players left is there an arguement for folding once there is an all-in and a call ? From an icm point of view I mean ? i'm delighted to take my Aces all-in heads up, but multiway ? If I win I almost certainly cash, but I go along way to cashing if I fold and the guy with the QQ gets knocked out as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit I dont think you can fold there......but lets double check..... I wont bother with screen prints, but I imagine by now you know where to verify the info.... If you fold and hierhasen wins then you have 78.872% equity if you fold and buckklr wins then you have 62.571% equity if you call and lose to either player, then you have 0% equity if you call and win with hierhasen 2nd then you have 97.258% equity if you call and win with buckklr 2nd then you have 96.203% equity calculations continuing....... (posting now so I dont lose this data) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit I didn't put split pot possibilities in above - I dont think their impact will be that significant, so will ignore than and just use Pokerstove equities If we know the exact cards that the villains have..... If you fold.....QQ will win 18.065% of the time, and KK will win 81.935% of the time, your expectation is therefore.... (78.872% x 81.935%) + (62.571% x 18.065%) = 75.9% If you call, you win 67.088% of the time. So your expectation is: (67.088% x 81.935% x 97.258%) + (67.088% x 18.065% x 96.203%) = 65.1% If you fold, you have 76% equity, if you call then you have 65% equity - I'm surprised (and was totally wrong) that this is a massive massive massive fold...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit I think this is a really important hand for us to understand - calling here is a big mistake (assuming my maths is right, that's not an opinion, it's fact as straightforward as 2+2=4, given that we know our opponents cards, which obviously we dont)- yet you didn't lay it down, I wouldnt have laid it down and the majority of Cooler players wouldnt have given a nanoseconds consideration to laying it down .... so if we can understand the situation to lay it down, then we get a big edge over the field... What happens if they both have AQo? (pretty much our best scenario?) We win 92.6% of the time, then we have about 90% equity, so it's an easy call. So it all comes down to range...... Lets put buckler on a pretty loose range - any pair, any broadway (17.9%) Lets put hierhasen on a range of 88+, AK and AQ (5.6%) 3 way equities in this case are: buckler: 13.770% hierhasen: 14.554% AJ: 71.676% 2 way equities in this case are: buckler: 37.639% hierhasen: 62.361% If you call, your equity is in the ballpark of 71.5%*92%=66% If you fold, your equity is in the ballpark of (79% x 62%) + (63% x 38%) = 73% So still a massive fold against a range of hands if you dont know their specific cards.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit Thnx, at the time I didn't even consider the fold, 5 mins later it started nagging at me. you're right, it's an important hand to learn from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AJ Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit Always a nice sight :tongue2 Running pretty well just now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit nice going AJ. Hopefully start on the $10 games today depends how busy i am later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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staffy Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit What bankroll do you want before you move up another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 211 Game Update $246.00 profit Before moving to the $20s ? A grand I think. At that stage it'd be getting serious and 50 buys would be sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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staffy Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit Nice going AJ. I am not posting my results from recent times until they improve lol. lets just say its been a long learning process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit 11 wins from the last 16 actually isn't that bad I suppose. Perhaps shouldn't whinge that much, but really thought I was on track for 62 or 63 wins from my first 100. Will knock off the final 5 games in next 24 hours and finish with Poker till the 5th as i have people staying with me and need to be sociable :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit 56 wins in my first set, know I can do better next time Lost at the end of the final game with AK vs KQ, needless to say he flopped trip queens :sad Lost game 97 with AK vs KQ as well when he rivered a straight. Bit of a disapointment but there you go. First set of 100 done for a profit of $80, where I'm sitting now it feels like a loss, but that'll come good. Going to take a bit of time off, certainly no more poker this year. Most probably wait until I've been on holiday and restart this when I return about the 15th. $270 profit for the first phase is ok, yesterday was a stinker, but I'm in profit for today, for the week and for the month. Best of luck to the rest of you, catch up a couple of weeks 9630-DecTu8:42 PM1009730-DecTu9:07 PM909830-DecTu9:31 PM109930-DecTu9:32 PM1010030-DecTu9:33 PM68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit Nice one AJ enjoy your break and see you back at the tables soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hodgey Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit Nice one AJ. :ok Enjoy your break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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staffy Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit Nice going AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit Good stuff AJ, nice one. :ok $/hr $92.92 This is particularly impressive! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Re: Yet another coolers challange - 252 Game Update $302.50 profit some of the theoretical work (I folded TT :tongue2) is starting to pay dividends :lol :lol :lol Fantastic :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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