aimar21 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions Again no history due to Boss, it's just the beginning in the STT, blinds are 15-30 I have AK in SB, a guy raises from the cutoff, button calls, I call, BB calls. Flop is 9TK rainbow, pot is about 650 I have 1300 left so I go for it and go all-in. Is this a right move? What should I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions 1300 is a BIG bet into 650 :unsure You'll probably only get called by hands that are beating you ...... however a pot sized bet and you're probably pretty commited anyway.... I think it's a pretty tough one .... it's in an inbetween zone where all in is too much, but other bets make you pretty committed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions yeah that's why I bet 1350 because I didn't want to sit there with just 600 left, and I thought someone would call with KQ or smt else. What would you do here considering a STT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions What would you do here considering a STT? I think I probably blow my stack here ..... not sure what the "right" think to do is :unsure maybe a 400 bet (2/3rds of pot) putting it down to a reraise :unsure But that's tough to do :unsure I am interested in what others think on this hand :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffy Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions Far too many people in the flop. I am checking and waiting. Any decent bet I probably fold. In an ideal world you would have reraised pre flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions In an ideal world you would have reraised pre flop. You're out of position post flop and any raise pre flop (I presume it's 200 at the moment, so you have to raise to at least 600) leaves you committed to any reraise ..... with Ace high!! What do you do pre flop if reraised? Presumably call for your tournament (even if you are behind to a pair other than AA, you have odds to call). If flat called, what do you do post flop, first to act, the majority of the time you miss your Ace and King? Either way, a reraise pre flop I think commits you to play for all of your chips on this hand .... you're risking your tourney at level one with AK :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions My only high card hand to play this early was AK and I'm about to drop that as well :lol. I guess I'll only play the pocket pairs and treat JJ as a low pocket pair from now on :tongue2. What do you think about that? Would it be too tight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions In general, AK is a premium hand and one to be raising and reraising with :ok However it is also not a hand to be going bust with at level 1..... The problem is, that with a raise before you, a reraise pretty much leaves you committed..... The strength of AK is in it's fold equity .... there aren't many hands that scare you - against AA and you are a big dog, against KK you have a 30% shot, anything else and you are at worst a slight dog in a coin flip .... 2 times in 3, your AK misses the flop .... so you want to be raising and reraising fearlessly with it, to take down the pot pre flop - you dont really want to put a lot of chips in and see a flop, especially out of position...... However you're not really wanting to go bust with it on level 1 either ..... it's tough...... I really dont know what the "correct" play here is, but am pretty certain I go bust with it...... PokerPlayer (or Inside Poker) did an article a while back on playing AK .... just trying to find it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions Here you go....http://www.pokerplayermagazine.co.uk/pokertips/skillsandstrategy/1161/how_to_play.html Golden rules of Big Slick 1. Don’t get carried away – it’s only a drawing hand 2. Make strong raises to drive others out 3. Call raises when in position 4. Be careful not to overplay A-K in a raising war 5. When you’re short-stacked, move all-in – it’s a great chance to double through 6. If you’re a big stack you can call short stacks at very little cost 7. Be cautious with a medium stack – you can push too hard 8. A-K is not worth going broke with Although it's the start, you probably have a "medium stack" - this is probably the most relevent advice!! I still dont know what you do in this hand though :lol :lol :lol Basic truth #7 BIG SLICK IS A BAD HAND FOR A MEDIUM STACK If you’re in a tournament with a medium-sized stack and you pick up big slick, you may be inclined to push it hard. This is a reasonable inclination, for A-K is a quality hand. But if you get called, especially by an aggressive, tricky player, and then you miss the flop, you’ve played yourself into a certain kind of bind. You’ll either have to make a continuation bet that’s essentially a bluff (since you don’t, at this moment, actually have a hand), or checkcall, hoping the other guy is bluffing, or check-fold, thus surrendering the chips you put in the pot. None of these alternatives is particularly attractive. The fact is that your medium stack is particularly vulnerable. It’s not big enough to bet others off the pot, nor small enough to push all-in with. So if you’re going to play A-K with a medium stack, do two things: first, try to play small pots pre-flop, so that you can get away from your hand if you miss; second, try to play in position, so that you get the benefit of last action. This last bit is especially useful with big slick, because if you do hit your hand, you can make some subtle moves like checking the flop, hoping to induce a bluff or a bet from a worse hand on the turn. Don’t go too far with big slick. It’s not a made hand, and it is, often, a great big tease. Which brings us to the final basic truth of big slick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions Hehe I guess I just avoided the rule number 4 and I really screwed it up :lol. There were 2 other callers to the raise and one of them was before me. So 4 people put 120 chips pre-flop. the problem is I can't rely on that because at low levels you don't know what's going on. After I bet all-in I got two calls. One of them had AK like I did and the other one had a set of tens. He probably won it later on :lol. I'll probably fold it or go all-in next time, when there are too many people in it. Cheers mate thanks for helping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions I'd bet 500 and fold if reraised all in. I regard 1500 starting chips as two lives in a stt, so you still have 800 if you fold and that is still more than enough to play a stt. if you are flat called well done to the villan if he busts you slow playing a monster as you n0w have to see the hand through Thats assuming its a 10 seater. If its shorthanded or a turbo get your chips in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Re: My hands and questions it was a 10 seater and purpose of my all-in was actually cutting out any straight or flush draws because the flop was dangerous.. But it didn't work :). I'm actually more careful with TPTK hands early on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glceud Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Re: My hands and questions 500 bet should be enough to knock out the drawing hands and if they are daft enough to call great. With the preflop action its possible pkt 9's 10's queens or aces were out there and any reraise would show that the reraiser was trying to knock out the drawing hands. I think lot of STT players over estimate the need to build a stack early on and panic as soon as they approach half of their starting stack. If chips come to you early great but as long as you have 10 to 20 bb's you can still make standard raises and continuation bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share Posted June 20, 2007 Re: My hands and questions I'm not excited about my hands early on but I thought I wouldn't be able to play with a stack of 600 after that so I just couldn't fold it. I'll be careful next time thanks for the advice mate.:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 Re: My hands and questions I tried to steal this one but couldn't figure out what to do later on, what do you do here? ***** El 662785401 ***** 100.00/200.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:35:25 PM STT $3 NL (Gerçek/Turnuva) Koltuk 1: murkaka (2087.00) Koltuk 2: don500 (3276.00) Koltuk 4: lapoche (1030.00) Koltuk 5: francis13 (1065.00) Koltuk 6: J.Stajner (5697.00) Koltuk 10: TomTom96 (1845.00) don500 post SB 100.00 lapoche post BB 200.00 ** Bahis ** murkaka [Am, 3ku] don500 [N/A, N/A] lapoche [N/A, N/A] francis13 [N/A, N/A] J.Stajner [N/A, N/A] TomTom96 [N/A, N/A] *** Bahis Turu 1 *** francis13 Çekil J.Stajner Çekil TomTom96 Çekil murkaka Şuna artır 600.00 don500 Gör 600.00 lapoche Çekil *** Flop(Board): *** : [9ka, Km, Kku] *** Bahis Turu 2 *** don500 Bahis 200.00 murkaka Çekil *** Hodri Meydan *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 1400.00 murkaka Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 don500 Varsayılan olarak Kazanç: 2800.00 lapoche Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 francis13 Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 J.Stajner Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 TomTom96 Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimar21 Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 Re: My hands and questions and here? almost the same situation.. ***** El 662774884 ***** 50.00/100.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:28:24 PM STT $3 NL (Gerçek/Turnuva) Koltuk 1: murkaka (2687.00) Koltuk 2: don500 (2426.00) Koltuk 4: lapoche (1230.00) Koltuk 5: francis13 (1065.00) Koltuk 6: J.Stajner (6097.00) Koltuk 10: TomTom96 (1495.00) don500 post SB 50.00 lapoche post BB 100.00 ** Bahis ** murkaka [Aku, 10m] don500 [N/A, N/A] lapoche [N/A, N/A] francis13 [N/A, N/A] J.Stajner [N/A, N/A] TomTom96 [N/A, N/A] *** Bahis Turu 1 *** francis13 Çekil J.Stajner Çekil TomTom96 Gör 100.00 murkaka Şuna artır 300.00 don500 Çekil lapoche Çekil TomTom96 Gör 300.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [5s, 4m, Kku] *** Bahis Turu 2 *** TomTom96 Bahis 200.00 murkaka Çekil *** Hodri Meydan *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 750.00 murkaka Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 don500 Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 lapoche Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 francis13 Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 J.Stajner Çekil Kazanç: 0.00 TomTom96 Varsayılan olarak Kazanç: 1500.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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