BillyHills Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Any thoughts on the big handicap race on Saturday at Haydock 5 day Decs; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. well .................this is my short list for the race currently .............. chance du roy 221 theatrical star 207 Sydney paget 205 night ALLIANCE 192 THIS ALL SEEMS TO HINGE ON CHANCE DU ROY FOR ME ........class wise he is head and shoulders above these and should handle the ground even if comes up on heavier side .......ill be looking for decent prices on this horse with a saver on syndney paget I think who looks best of the rest although theatrical star looks like an improver ........could be dependant on prices ps ....................shortlist was compiled by 8 yrs or older ......raced within last 6 weeks ......11-3 or less won on soft or worse and won 3 times or more over fences then combined topspeed and postmark figs and class rating ..............in case wonderin ...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidymac Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. well .................this is my short list for the race currently .............. chance du roy 221 theatrical star 207 Sydney paget 205 night ALLIANCE 192 THIS ALL SEEMS TO HINGE ON CHANCE DU ROY FOR ME ........class wise he is head and shoulders above these and should handle the ground even if comes up on heavier side .......ill be looking for decent prices on this horse with a saver on syndney paget I think who looks best of the rest When you say class wise he is head and shoulders above the rest what do you mean Richard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. When you say class wise he is head and shoulders above the rest what do you mean Richard? I see what you mean .........after ive ruled out negative horses ....too much weight ......no form ......don't handle ground etc ........ of the ones left on shortlist .........theatrical star and Sydney paget are class 2 horses whereas he is gr3 horse and better .........some 60000 above them .............enuf said......on paper it looks done and dusted ?....I know it never works like that but on paper he looks an amazing bet ........especially if can get e.w price? does anyone know his price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Chance du Roy was a mile behind Katenko last season at Sandown, so surely he must be up there in your ratings. First thing to point out, is heavy rain is forecast to fall on heavy ground. Second, the chase course suits prominent runners. Step forward Katenko. Took a couple of runs last season to come right, then he did with a bang. Big wins at cheltenham and Sandown, with the form starting to work out well. Had a Hennesey and paddy power winners behind, amongst others. Was in the process of running a big race in the Hennesey, when falling 7 out. Then went to Aintree, where quite possibly, the course didn't suit. Has since been rested since, and no doubt targeted for this race by his trainer, who has won this race a few times before and whose stable continues to be in fine form. Finally, he's by Laveron, who loved bottomless ground, Katenko looks the same type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Chance du Roy was a mile behind Katenko last season at Sandown, so surely he must be up there in your ratings. First thing to point out, is heavy rain is forecast to fall on heavy ground. Second, the chase course suits prominent runners. Step forward Katenko. Took a couple of runs last season to come right, then he did with a bang. Big wins at cheltenham and Sandown, with the form starting to work out well. Had a Hennesey and paddy power winners behind, amongst others. Was in the process of running a big race in the Hennesey, when falling 7 out. Then went to Aintree, where quite possibly, the course didn't suit. Has since been rested since, and no doubt targeted for this race by his trainer, who has won this race a few times before and whose stable continues to be in fine form. Finally, he's by Laveron, who loved bottomless ground, Katenko looks the same type. yes .........good point ..............for a minute there I thought id made a mistake .......but he failed to make my shortlist cos of his weight ..........a light weight seems essential in this especially if ground comes up very soft ...........he still has chances and I can understand if you backed him but with only one horse carrying over 11-6 in ten years ...............ive opposed anything over that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Harry Topper is a doubtful runner......he going to Cheltenham instead for the Argento Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Just looking down the names without any further delving the two that stick out are Super Duty and Rival D'Estruval I guess we'll have the decs tomorrow ?.......if it's a 48 hour race ? I'm never sure with the jumps.........:unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Just looking down the names without any further delving the two that stick out are Super Duty and Rival D'Estruval I guess we'll have the decs tomorrow ?.......if it's a 48 hour race ? I'm never sure with the jumps.........:unsure *Declarations to run and Declarations of Riders for all Grade 1 non Novice Steeple Chases and Hurdle Races will take place two days prior to running. In addition, Grade 2/3 Steeple Chases and Hurdle Races andsuch other races as may be permitted by the British Horseracing Authority MAY have 48 hour Declarations,at the option of the Racecourse Executive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. That's why I'm never sure BH......it seems to be up to the racecourses which races are 48 hours as opposed to the usual 24 hours And it's difficult to find out which is which ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Final Decs, just 10 left. Odds to follow when they are available:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Oh dear.........both my initial fancies are not declared......have to have another look ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Just looking down the names without any further delving the two that stick out are Super Duty and Rival D'Estruval I guess we'll have the decs tomorrow ?.......if it's a 48 hour race ? I'm never sure with the jumps.........:unsure Both run in the graduation chase earlier on the card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Taken the 5/1 at betfred for Katenko. Heavy rain on its way:nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedthewolf Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Katenko (5), Merry King (5)in, Vintage Star (13/2)in, Sydney Paget (7), Night Alliance (8)in, Chance Du Roy (10)in, The Minack (10), Vino Griego (12)out, Valoroso (16), Wychwoods Brook (16) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard-westwood Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. taken 10/1 chance du roy .....im.over the moon wi that price thought id only get 6/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodge Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. I think i'd back Vintage Star at the prices. Theres too many horses up 10lb+ for recent wins for my liking... Not sure what to make of The Minack, been any noise from Nicholls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Bit surprised that Katenko is favourite.....he still has to prove that he's come back from his colic operation. His 2 runs this season have produced a fall and a 41L defeat I'd like to see some evidence that he's fully recovered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyHills Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Latest Odds; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillyHills Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. I think this race has changed over the last few years, when we had the old stiff fences and galloping track it suited the low weights but now its a much more sharper circuit and we have these portable fences the better horses seem to have come out on top. (May be coincidence?) Anyway having said that i do think Vino Griego is just too high in the handicap, he's gone up 8 lbs for his last win and 20 lbs since this time last year. The Minack is a risky proposition and for my money Chance Du Roy is an Aintree specialist these days. Apart from his two good runs over the National fences he hasn't really fired on conventional tracks. Sydney Paget is very good on his day and pretty ordinary on others, i saw him win at Haydock on Betfair Chase day and he galloped his rivals into the ground. He's 10 lbs high now and ran a stinker last time. I heard McCain say that he was putting him way as he had lost his sparkle but has recently been more himself so has entered him at the last minute. Don't like the sound of that to be honest? Vintage Star and Merry King had hard races in the Welsh National and i'd be happier if they had more time to get over that so my selection is Katenko. The yard are flying and this horse was backed to win the Gold Cup last year after a couple of tremendous performances. We all know he was ill after that but i thought personally ran with promise last time despite getting beat a fair way. You have to remember this horse is ground dependant and must have it very soft or even heavy to show his best, he hasnt had that since his comeback and conditions here will be ideal. 2pts Katenko 5/1 bet365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidymac Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Haydock 3:15 - Peter Marsh Chase (Limited Handicap) (Grade 2) The Venetia Williams trained Katenko will thrive in these heavy conditions and warrants a lot of respect but the real value in the race for me is the Paul Nicholls trained The Minack. If reports are anything to go by, the horse has been training very well at home since his knee injury and with his 100% record fresh he looks a big price off a decent mark. The Minack - 1 Point WIN @ 11/1 Stan James Read Full Preview @ bit.ly/1avDClb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing Bailey Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. Haydock 3.15 - Night Alliance 7/1 Bet365 BOG This is an interesting race with a few runners who have something to prove. Vino Gregio needs to show that his last run didnt flatter him, Katenko needs to fully show that he is back at his best, The Minack has had a long time off the track and Chance Du Roy needs to prove he is back to his best over the normal fences. All very capable of winning off their respective marks but hard to have full confidence that they are in form. At the other end of the scale you have a few that look in great form but need to show they are up to this level, namely Vintage Star, Merry King (to an extent), Sydney Paget and finally my selection Night Alliance. I regrettably left him out last time as I was worried about how well he would bounce back from a nasty fall the time before, but he showed no ill effects and popped around here with plenty in hand to beat two good yardsticks in No Planning and Loch Ba. The form of that race hasnt worked out badly either with the 4th and 6th running well or winning since. Looking back to the race he fell in, he was again up against No Planning (and looked to be just starting to get on top) but the progressive winner would have been them both easily enough, although the selection did look to be staying on. Again that form is solid and so is his comfortable victory the time before at Ascot. The ground and trip are perfect and whilst he is going up a lot in class, I do think he has the potential to land a pot like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickf88 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Re: Key Race: Peter Marsh Chase : Haydock 3.15, Sat 18th Jan. If anyone picked that confidently I tip my proverbial hat to you, couldn't have backed that with stolen money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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