Wants to improve cash game

[staffy]

I have started a few threads on PL to do with cash and they all seem to crash and burn. I do feel at times my general play is quite good but then get battered. I am now running PT 3 to analyse my play. So far I have played 535 hand playing 10c BB. I am down $30. Now all good poker players have to look at there losing hands and decide where they went wong and this is the purpose of this thread. Where the fook did I go wrong. I am not saying this is a bad beat thread just want help understanding where I am going wrong.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Hand 1 then. I limp in holding a small pair. When I hit trips I am happy obviously. My initial thoughts are to check and reraise with so many callers but when someone before me raises I am happy to call. It was an easy call on the turn. Should I have reraised on the flop? PokerStars Game #53987138997: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/12/09 18:06:26 WET [2010/12/09 13:06:26 ET] Table 'Annschnell VI' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: staffyPL ($9.70 in chips) Seat 2: Vidomin ($10.39 in chips) Seat 3: prinCess9922 ($10.24 in chips) Seat 5: kkk127 ($11.77 in chips) Seat 6: Italtor ($10 in chips) Seat 8: ilast ($8.59 in chips) Seat 9: ---9th--- ($9.85 in chips) ---9th---: posts small blind $0.05 staffyPL: posts big blind $0.10 France81: sits out Stieb87: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [2s 2h] Vidomin: folds prinCess9922: raises $0.20 to $0.30 kkk127: calls $0.30 Italtor: folds ilast: calls $0.30 ---9th---: calls $0.25 staffyPL: calls $0.20 *** FLOP *** [Tc 8d 2d] ---9th---: checks staffyPL: checks prinCess9922: bets $0.60 kkk127: calls $0.60 ilast: folds ---9th---: raises $1.45 to $2.05 staffyPL: calls $2.05 prinCess9922: calls $1.45 kkk127: folds *** TURN *** [Tc 8d 2d] [3c] ---9th---: bets $7.50 and is all-in staffyPL: calls $7.35 and is all-in prinCess9922: folds Uncalled bet ($0.15) returned to ---9th--- *** RIVER *** [Tc 8d 2d 3c] [6c] *** SHOW DOWN *** ---9th---: shows [8c Ac] (a flush, Ace high) staffyPL: shows [2s 2h] (three of a kind, Deuces) ---9th--- collected $21.83 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $22.95 | Rake $1.12 Board [Tc 8d 2d 3c 6c] Seat 1: staffyPL (big blind) showed [2s 2h] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces Seat 2: Vidomin folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: prinCess9922 folded on the Turn Seat 5: kkk127 folded on the Flop Seat 6: Italtor folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: ilast (button) folded on the Flop Seat 9: ---9th--- (small blind) showed [8c Ac] and won ($21.83) with a flush, Ace high

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Hand 2 PokerStars Game #53938285096: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/12/08 19:09:08 WET [2010/12/08 14:09:08 ET] Table 'Ankaa V' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: Melantar ($8.44 in chips) Seat 2: Low-gambler ($11.45 in chips) Seat 3: ValverdesDog ($10 in chips) Seat 4: TRY_ME_F1Sh ($9.03 in chips) Seat 5: piubo ($6.31 in chips) Seat 6: staffyPL ($11.93 in chips) Seat 7: bugbig1 ($7.84 in chips) Seat 8: anerlind ($3.70 in chips) anerlind: posts small blind $0.05 Melantar: posts big blind $0.10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [Qh Qc] Low-gambler: raises $0.20 to $0.30 ValverdesDog: folds TRY_ME_F1Sh: folds piubo: folds staffyPL: raises $0.30 to $0.60 bugbig1: folds anerlind: folds Melantar: folds Low-gambler: calls $0.30 *** FLOP *** [4d 9h 4c] Low-gambler: checks staffyPL: bets $1.11 Low-gambler: calls $1.11 *** TURN *** [4d 9h 4c] [Js] Low-gambler: checks staffyPL: bets $3.33 drt.racer joins the table at seat #9 Low-gambler: raises $3.33 to $6.66 staffyPL: raises $3.56 to $10.22 and is all-in Low-gambler: calls $3.08 and is all-in Uncalled bet ($0.48) returned to staffyPL *** RIVER *** [4d 9h 4c Js] [Th] *** SHOW DOWN *** Low-gambler: shows [9s 9d] (a full house, Nines full of Fours) staffyPL: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fours) Low-gambler collected $21.91 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $23.05 | Rake $1.14 Board [4d 9h 4c Js Th] Seat 1: Melantar (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: Low-gambler showed [9s 9d] and won ($21.91) with a full house, Nines full of Fours Seat 3: ValverdesDog folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: TRY_ME_F1Sh folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: piubo folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: staffyPL showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours Seat 7: bugbig1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: anerlind (small blind) folded before Flop

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Hand 3 PokerStars Game #53937431307: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/12/08 18:52:50 WET [2010/12/08 13:52:50 ET] Table 'Dolios VII' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: lorentz2008 ($14.72 in chips) Seat 2: proplex ($10 in chips) Seat 3: Don Domenico ($10.33 in chips) Seat 4: robin_10_11 ($5.56 in chips) Seat 5: Red_Warning ($10 in chips) Seat 6: bobdasass ($10.15 in chips) Seat 7: AJIEHA ($4 in chips) Seat 9: staffyPL ($10.68 in chips) lorentz2008: posts small blind $0.05 proplex: posts big blind $0.10 rumoped: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [Ah Kc] Don Domenico: folds robin_10_11: folds Red_Warning: folds bobdasass: folds AJIEHA: folds staffyPL: raises $0.30 to $0.40 lorentz2008: raises $0.90 to $1.30 proplex: folds staffyPL: calls $0.90 *** FLOP *** [8s Ac Th] lorentz2008: checks staffyPL: bets $1 lorentz2008: raises $1.70 to $2.70 staffyPL: raises $6.68 to $9.38 and is all-in lorentz2008: calls $6.68 *** TURN *** [8s Ac Th] [3d] *** RIVER *** [8s Ac Th 3d] [7s] *** SHOW DOWN *** lorentz2008: shows [As Ad] (three of a kind, Aces) staffyPL: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Aces) lorentz2008 collected $20.40 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $21.46 | Rake $1.06 Board [8s Ac Th 3d 7s] Seat 1: lorentz2008 (small blind) showed [As Ad] and won ($20.40) with three of a kind, Aces Seat 2: proplex (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: Don Domenico folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: robin_10_11 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Red_Warning folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[aldric]

Re: Wants to improve cash game I am not a cash or poker expert for that matter but I really don't think you did much wrong with any of those hands, just unlucky especially hand 2.

[teaulc]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Hand 1 = you should have definately bet the flop hard. for me i will try to make my opponent pay hard for his flush chase. Hand 2 = alarm bells should have been ringing loudly with his check-raise,got to let the big hand go,and not get too attached to them. Hand 3 = again,alarm bells.....

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game

Hand 1 = you should have definately bet the flop hard. for me i will try to make my opponent pay hard for his flush chase. Hand 2 = alarm bells should have been ringing loudly with his check-raise,got to let the big hand go,and not get too attached to them. Hand 3 = again,alarm bells.....

Ok not going to argue here just my point of view. Hand 1 I dont think he was chasing flush he hit a pair and was trying to bully the table in my opinion.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Where do you fold hand 2. Hand 3 I agree was very poorly played should have folded after the reraise i think.

[aldric]

Re: Wants to improve cash game

Hand 2 = alarm bells should have been ringing loudly with his check-raise,got to let the big hand go,and not get too attached to them.

Are you serious? Have another look at the hand. How could you possibly put him on a pair of 9's or 4's? The only way you are folding is if you have previous knowledge and think he has AA or KK. The only think I would have done is I would have raised a bit more preflop personally. I do agree that stronger bet on hand 1 would have helped, but I don't think you could have got away from that.

[teaulc]

Re: Wants to improve cash game

Where do you fold hand 2.

okay,had another look. maybe a bit hasty on my original thought,but i have to admit the bells would be ringing for me. i am deffo folding his check-raise though. he has called you through and played it well. but then i am a tight git and still learning the cash game myself.

[muttley]

Re: Wants to improve cash game A couple of tips from a fellow microstake player. At this level the donks don't usually have much grasp of pot odds, so if they are on a draw, particularly a draw to the nuts they will call your bet. Therefore, CHARGE THEM for the privelige of seeing the next card. That means pot size bets when you figure you have the best hand. You'll be surprised what they'll call you down with. Also, preflop you can bet your premium hands a little bigger as no-one is paying any attention to how you normally enter the pot or how tight you are playing. They just look at their own cards and decide whether to play them or not. Hand #1 You should have gone ahead and reraised on the flop. Your hand is good, but not invulnerable. You'll definitely get looked up by (J,9) (10,8) and probably (A,10) or (K,10) particularly if they have a backdoor flush. Hand #2 You're reraise preflop could have been bigger. There's every chance the end result would have been the same here, but the extra money you win when you're opponent calls and misses the flop will compensate for the times he flops a set. Bear in mind also that 535 hands is a tiny sample. When you have 5,000 to 10,000 hands at this level you may have a better idea how you're doing. You might still be Phil Ivey.

[Nade]

Re: Wants to improve cash game 1st hand: There's a flush draw on flop and a lot of straight draw possibilities so all-in after the raise to $2.05 would probably be fine. Even vs a big combo draw like J9dd you're 60%. 2nd hand: You're 3bet is too small IMO as you let hands in for cheap - you're nearly always ahead so make more money the bigger you make it. making it $1.10 would be good there. The turn is pretty gross and you need some good reads in those spots. A good rule of thumb i like to use is if a nit is showing strength on the turn they invariably have it. Without reads there's not really a right or wrong answer, sometimes they'll have AJ, sometimes J9, sometimes QT, sometimes 99 A4 etc. 3rd hand: You can probably get AKo in pre-flop, calling is fine, the guy c/r the flop and reps such a narrow range we lose to as he 3bet pre. Think getting it in on flop is fine, they might not 3bet 99 or TT all the time so can eliminate that sometimes and it's unlikely A9 or AT and if they do then getting it in with TPTK is totally good against those players.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game OK thanks guys. A lot to take in I think. I dropped down to the lowest limits earlier just to play a few hands and lost at them limits also. I will take on board all that you guys say and analyse my play and Ill post a few more soon.

[glceud]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Hand one you had to bet the flop, not doing so is a mistake I have made a million times. Hand two with a paired board and a minimum reraise could be folded, but I would be getting stacked here too. Yes you should have raised more preflop for the same but quicker end result. Hand three theres no getting away from. To summarise the hand you got all your money in good you played badly and the hand you got your money in bad you played well. Second hands open for discussion:lol Serious bit of advice I would leave pokerstars and play at a softer site.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game

Serious bit of advice I would leave pokerstars and play at a softer site.

Others have said this but why? I like pokerstars.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game What I mean is why is it harder?

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game a winning hand but is this well played or lucky. He was on tilt and pausing before each call. I put him on a flush draw. PokerStars Game #54077179148: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/11 11:15:30 WET [2010/12/11 6:15:30 ET] Table 'Acrux III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: FishToaster ($3.83 in chips) Seat 3: Hescase ($3.27 in chips) Seat 4: akibua416 ($1.50 in chips) Seat 5: piKAxpo ($0.98 in chips) Seat 6: staffyPL ($2.12 in chips) staffyPL: posts small blind $0.01 FishToaster: posts big blind $0.02 akibua416: posts small & big blinds $0.03 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [Ts Th] Hescase: folds akibua416: raises $0.08 to $0.10 piKAxpo: folds staffyPL: calls $0.09 FishToaster: folds *** FLOP *** [9d 5d Qs] staffyPL: bets $0.16 akibua416: calls $0.16 *** TURN *** [9d 5d Qs] [5s] staffyPL: bets $0.36 akibua416: calls $0.36 *** RIVER *** [9d 5d Qs 5s] [5c] staffyPL: bets $0.92 akibua416: calls $0.87 and is all-in Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to staffyPL *** SHOW DOWN *** staffyPL: shows [Ts Th] (a full house, Fives full of Tens) akibua416: shows [Ad Kd] (three of a kind, Fives) staffyPL collected $2.87 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $3.01 | Rake $0.14 Board [9d 5d Qs 5s 5c] Seat 1: FishToaster (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: Hescase folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: akibua416 showed [Ad Kd] and lost with three of a kind, Fives Seat 5: piKAxpo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: staffyPL (small blind) showed [Ts Th] and won ($2.87) with a full house, Fives full of Tens

[teaulc]

Re: Wants to improve cash game the only thing worrying me there is the overcard,but apart from that and the fact you had a read on him, well played :clap:clap

[Nade]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Really like this play :clap

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Happy days PokerStars Game #54085172042: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/11 15:13:14 WET [2010/12/11 10:13:14 ET] Table 'Athanasia' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: bigmike764 ($1.60 in chips) Seat 2: kartas11 ($3.21 in chips) Seat 3: staffyPL ($2.05 in chips) Seat 4: Thylacine27 ($3.57 in chips) Seat 5: muhkLionu ($7.59 in chips) Seat 6: Blãck•CAT• ($1.16 in chips) Blãck•CAT•: posts small blind $0.01 bigmike764: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [Ad As] kartas11: folds staffyPL: raises $0.08 to $0.10 Thylacine27: calls $0.10 muhkLionu: raises $0.33 to $0.43 Blãck•CAT•: folds bigmike764: folds staffyPL: raises $1.62 to $2.05 and is all-in Thylacine27: calls $1.95 muhkLionu: folds *** FLOP *** [Tc 5d Qd] *** TURN *** [Tc 5d Qd] [Th] *** RIVER *** [Tc 5d Qd Th] [7d] *** SHOW DOWN *** staffyPL: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Tens) Thylacine27: shows [Js Ac] (a pair of Tens) staffyPL collected $4.34 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4.56 | Rake $0.22 Board [Tc 5d Qd Th 7d] Seat 1: bigmike764 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: kartas11 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: staffyPL showed [Ad As] and won ($4.34) with two pair, Aces and Tens Seat 4: Thylacine27 showed [Js Ac] and lost with a pair of Tens

[glceud]

Re: Wants to improve cash game

Others have said this but why? I like pokerstars.

I think its down to the fact that pokerstars is a poker site and thats all, were as the ipoker and boss skins are firstly sportbooks or casinos. So pokerstars only attracts poker playres were as the others attract all sorts. I would say that because of the greater volume of players at pokerstars solid low stakes grinders are more likely to play there. I've been playing a fair bit of omaha hi/lo and Fl holdem on ipoker recently and the lack of traffic leads to a lot off players playing above or below the stakes they want to be playing at and making mistakes accordingly. I had $4.80 in my pokerstars account and sat at a microstakes limit table to get $5.50 for a tourney entry and couldnt believe the difference in the play. People folded to raises and didnt call you down with ace high:lol

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game cheers for that. I am going to grind it out for now at pokerstars. I guess if I can do well there if I do decide to switch then it can only be better.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Decided to play this hand against a player who playes 87% of his hands. PokerStars Game #54088689566: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/11 16:34:04 WET [2010/12/11 11:34:04 ET] Table 'Drymas V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: Kalantar93 ($1.08 in chips) Seat 2: zotanka ($2 in chips) Seat 3: staffyPL ($1.86 in chips) Seat 4: antoniojo39 ($3.60 in chips) Seat 5: vizzkiz ($2 in chips) Seat 6: diegoqv07 ($1.30 in chips) staffyPL: posts small blind $0.01 antoniojo39: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [9c Ad] vizzkiz: folds diegoqv07: folds Kalantar93: folds zotanka: folds staffyPL: raises $0.06 to $0.08 antoniojo39: calls $0.06 *** FLOP *** [8c 6h 7d] staffyPL: bets $0.14 antoniojo39: calls $0.14 *** TURN *** [8c 6h 7d] [5s] staffyPL: bets $0.40 antoniojo39: calls $0.40 *** RIVER *** [8c 6h 7d 5s] [Jc] staffyPL: bets $0.66 antoniojo39: calls $0.66 *** SHOW DOWN *** staffyPL: shows [9c Ad] (a straight, Five to Nine) antoniojo39: mucks hand staffyPL collected $2.44 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $2.56 | Rake $0.12 Board [8c 6h 7d 5s Jc] Seat 1: Kalantar93 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: zotanka (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: staffyPL (small blind) showed [9c Ad] and won ($2.44) with a straight, Five to Nine Seat 4: antoniojo39 (big blind) mucked [5c Jd] Seat 5: vizzkiz folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: diegoqv07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Played 507 hands today at $0.02 level playing just 1 table at a time and switched to 6 seater tables. Profit of $4.24 which is ok I guess at these levels. Nothing brilliant but it will do. I am going to keep playing at these levels for now to see how I get on.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Another AA winner. Easy really. PokerStars Game #54092124808: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/11 17:45:46 WET [2010/12/11 12:45:46 ET] Table 'Aesculapia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: xeksley ($2.47 in chips) Seat 2: staffyPL ($1.45 in chips) Seat 3: ondri29 ($0.49 in chips) Seat 4: wINs30 ($2.75 in chips) Seat 5: JBBIGMAN305 ($2.51 in chips) Seat 6: jimbob781 ($1.66 in chips) wINs30: posts small blind $0.01 JBBIGMAN305: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [Ah As] jimbob781: raises $1.64 to $1.66 and is all-in xeksley: folds staffyPL: calls $1.45 and is all-in ondri29: folds wINs30: folds JBBIGMAN305: folds Uncalled bet ($0.21) returned to jimbob781 *** FLOP *** [2h Qc 9d] *** TURN *** [2h Qc 9d] [2d] *** RIVER *** [2h Qc 9d 2d] [Qd] *** SHOW DOWN *** jimbob781: shows [Ad Kc] (two pair, Queens and Deuces) staffyPL: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Queens) staffyPL collected $2.79 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $2.93 | Rake $0.14 Board [2h Qc 9d 2d Qd] Seat 1: xeksley folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: staffyPL showed [Ah As] and won ($2.79) with two pair, Aces and Queens Seat 3: ondri29 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: wINs30 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: JBBIGMAN305 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: jimbob781 showed [Ad Kc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Deuces

[averick]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Nice to see that you seem to be doing better lately, do post up anymore hands that you might have:ok And yes pokerstars is not the softest of sites, sadly.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game PokerStars Game #54205705036: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/12/13 19:35:55 WET [2010/12/13 14:35:55 ET] Table 'Adriana' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: ELNENAS 2 ($0.39 in chips) Seat 2: 49dk ($3.28 in chips) Seat 3: staffyPL ($1.50 in chips) Seat 4: lazzzzzz ($2.02 in chips) Seat 5: PIHA150 ($1.92 in chips) Seat 6: Krawacik ($6.01 in chips) PIHA150: posts small blind $0.01 Krawacik: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to staffyPL [Jc Jd] ELNENAS 2: calls $0.02 49dk: folds staffyPL: raises $0.10 to $0.12 lazzzzzz: calls $0.12 PIHA150: folds Krawacik: folds ELNENAS 2: folds *** FLOP *** [9h Ts Qd] staffyPL: bets $0.18 lazzzzzz: calls $0.18 *** TURN *** [9h Ts Qd] [3d] staffyPL: bets $0.44 lazzzzzz: raises $1.28 to $1.72 and is all-in staffyPL: calls $0.76 and is all-in Uncalled bet ($0.52) returned to lazzzzzz *** RIVER *** [9h Ts Qd 3d] [9c] *** SHOW DOWN *** staffyPL: shows [Jc Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Nines) lazzzzzz: shows [Kh Js] (a straight, Nine to King) lazzzzzz collected $2.90 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $3.05 | Rake $0.15 Board [9h Ts Qd 3d 9c] Seat 1: ELNENAS 2 folded before Flop Seat 2: 49dk folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: staffyPL showed [Jc Jd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines Seat 4: lazzzzzz (button) showed [Kh Js] and won ($2.90) with a straight, Nine to King Seat 5: PIHA150 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: Krawacik (big blind) folded before Flop

[teaulc]

Re: Wants to improve cash game what was the reasoning in playing the hand like that? you must have been thinking you were behind with his re-raise.

[staffy]

Re: Wants to improve cash game Just very bad play I guess, should I fold even though I had put an aweful lot into the pot already?

[teaulc]

Re: Wants to improve cash game

Just very bad play I guess' date=' should I fold even though I had put an aweful lot into the pot already?[/quote'] not sure on what others would say, but i would fold. then psycholgically turn what i would of lost if i had called,into a win if you know what i mean. what i am trying to say is look after the pennies etc