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    Zilzalian got a reaction from Nigwilliam in Racing Chat - Friday 2nd July   
    well heres the thing, the only racing publication i buy is the RP weekender i buy it for one reason only and that is the pull out results section. i never read it until after the racing is finished so i can sit on the bog having a laugh at how bad the tipsters are/were. a good example is the Weekender out before royal ascot, 35 races at ascot and they had a full two page spread feature about how one of them tipped accidental agent at 50/1 2 yrs previously. and an almost full age spread on an american woman who called a race meeting in america. That i would suggest is as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Equaliser in Racing Chat - Friday 2nd July   
    best thing to do is chuck timeform in the bin all it does is give the bookies an excuse to shorten up prices, its one of those publications that were brilliant at first and then went downhill, the best form is your own eyes in my opinion and even better if you can back it up with "something "you" know."
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from yossa6133 in Racing Chat - Friday 2nd July   
    Coincidence has it that i just rated this 2yo race that @yossa6133 has highlighted, and there is a good debate here based on what he and the established "tipsters" say.
    with no disrespect intended towards anyone not least yossa. many years ago i did some research and it was based around so called "it was backed and ran well at Ascot" "therefore it should be a shoe in in this" my research suggest that this is "wrong think" yes it may well win but is it a bet?
    I actually got the forecast in the Ascot race (proofed by my piece on this site) So is it a bet? well to be honest the answer is no unless it has performed better than the other horses in the race and the figures suggest it hasn't. The Ascot race was very fast btw but Kaboo finished 6th, if you look at the horses in front of it eg bond chairman 4th  (66/1) btn 2.5l ran on the near side as did Kaboo btn 3.5l in 6th. so its pure speculation that Kaboo did anything other than run "a race" so would you apply the same logic to Bond Chairman as you do with Kaboo? lets be honest here the "tipsters" are going off the fact that a good few quid came for Kaboo therefore it must be "something"  so lets see what happens tomorrow it may prove quite interesting.  I am not saying Kaboo can't win but its my honest opinion that it is a lousy bet at around 6/4 - 2/1 (don't let me put you off, this is only my opinion based on the available evidence and i hope it makes for interesting reading and or debate)
    1 Navello                    125    6/1
    2 Fearby                     122   10/1
    3 instinctive move       117+  5/2
     others at 117,115, 114, and Kaboo at 112+
     
    Interesting result, Kaboo btn 5L, I very rarely back anything less than 7/2, I do however back allways forecasts and tricasts and singles above 5/1 so i finished around level for this race even though i had the winner at 10/1. i see little point in spending my time rating a race and then not doing FC and TC. The golden rule for me is don't believe the BS spewed around horses a further example is the result of the 405, euchan glen is a solid proven performer 11/4 against john leeper at 5/4, Does someone want to explain why john leeper was 5/4? If you can't make a profit on what you are doing simply change what you are doing.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Equaliser in Racing Chat - Friday 2nd July   
    Coincidence has it that i just rated this 2yo race that @yossa6133 has highlighted, and there is a good debate here based on what he and the established "tipsters" say.
    with no disrespect intended towards anyone not least yossa. many years ago i did some research and it was based around so called "it was backed and ran well at Ascot" "therefore it should be a shoe in in this" my research suggest that this is "wrong think" yes it may well win but is it a bet?
    I actually got the forecast in the Ascot race (proofed by my piece on this site) So is it a bet? well to be honest the answer is no unless it has performed better than the other horses in the race and the figures suggest it hasn't. The Ascot race was very fast btw but Kaboo finished 6th, if you look at the horses in front of it eg bond chairman 4th  (66/1) btn 2.5l ran on the near side as did Kaboo btn 3.5l in 6th. so its pure speculation that Kaboo did anything other than run "a race" so would you apply the same logic to Bond Chairman as you do with Kaboo? lets be honest here the "tipsters" are going off the fact that a good few quid came for Kaboo therefore it must be "something"  so lets see what happens tomorrow it may prove quite interesting.  I am not saying Kaboo can't win but its my honest opinion that it is a lousy bet at around 6/4 - 2/1 (don't let me put you off, this is only my opinion based on the available evidence and i hope it makes for interesting reading and or debate)
    1 Navello                    125    6/1
    2 Fearby                     122   10/1
    3 instinctive move       117+  5/2
     others at 117,115, 114, and Kaboo at 112+
     
    Interesting result, Kaboo btn 5L, I very rarely back anything less than 7/2, I do however back allways forecasts and tricasts and singles above 5/1 so i finished around level for this race even though i had the winner at 10/1. i see little point in spending my time rating a race and then not doing FC and TC. The golden rule for me is don't believe the BS spewed around horses a further example is the result of the 405, euchan glen is a solid proven performer 11/4 against john leeper at 5/4, Does someone want to explain why john leeper was 5/4? If you can't make a profit on what you are doing simply change what you are doing.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from gbettle in Racing Chat - Friday 2nd July   
    Coincidence has it that i just rated this 2yo race that @yossa6133 has highlighted, and there is a good debate here based on what he and the established "tipsters" say.
    with no disrespect intended towards anyone not least yossa. many years ago i did some research and it was based around so called "it was backed and ran well at Ascot" "therefore it should be a shoe in in this" my research suggest that this is "wrong think" yes it may well win but is it a bet?
    I actually got the forecast in the Ascot race (proofed by my piece on this site) So is it a bet? well to be honest the answer is no unless it has performed better than the other horses in the race and the figures suggest it hasn't. The Ascot race was very fast btw but Kaboo finished 6th, if you look at the horses in front of it eg bond chairman 4th  (66/1) btn 2.5l ran on the near side as did Kaboo btn 3.5l in 6th. so its pure speculation that Kaboo did anything other than run "a race" so would you apply the same logic to Bond Chairman as you do with Kaboo? lets be honest here the "tipsters" are going off the fact that a good few quid came for Kaboo therefore it must be "something"  so lets see what happens tomorrow it may prove quite interesting.  I am not saying Kaboo can't win but its my honest opinion that it is a lousy bet at around 6/4 - 2/1 (don't let me put you off, this is only my opinion based on the available evidence and i hope it makes for interesting reading and or debate)
    1 Navello                    125    6/1
    2 Fearby                     122   10/1
    3 instinctive move       117+  5/2
     others at 117,115, 114, and Kaboo at 112+
     
    Interesting result, Kaboo btn 5L, I very rarely back anything less than 7/2, I do however back allways forecasts and tricasts and singles above 5/1 so i finished around level for this race even though i had the winner at 10/1. i see little point in spending my time rating a race and then not doing FC and TC. The golden rule for me is don't believe the BS spewed around horses a further example is the result of the 405, euchan glen is a solid proven performer 11/4 against john leeper at 5/4, Does someone want to explain why john leeper was 5/4? If you can't make a profit on what you are doing simply change what you are doing.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in Racing Chat - Friday 2nd July   
    Coincidence has it that i just rated this 2yo race that @yossa6133 has highlighted, and there is a good debate here based on what he and the established "tipsters" say.
    with no disrespect intended towards anyone not least yossa. many years ago i did some research and it was based around so called "it was backed and ran well at Ascot" "therefore it should be a shoe in in this" my research suggest that this is "wrong think" yes it may well win but is it a bet?
    I actually got the forecast in the Ascot race (proofed by my piece on this site) So is it a bet? well to be honest the answer is no unless it has performed better than the other horses in the race and the figures suggest it hasn't. The Ascot race was very fast btw but Kaboo finished 6th, if you look at the horses in front of it eg bond chairman 4th  (66/1) btn 2.5l ran on the near side as did Kaboo btn 3.5l in 6th. so its pure speculation that Kaboo did anything other than run "a race" so would you apply the same logic to Bond Chairman as you do with Kaboo? lets be honest here the "tipsters" are going off the fact that a good few quid came for Kaboo therefore it must be "something"  so lets see what happens tomorrow it may prove quite interesting.  I am not saying Kaboo can't win but its my honest opinion that it is a lousy bet at around 6/4 - 2/1 (don't let me put you off, this is only my opinion based on the available evidence and i hope it makes for interesting reading and or debate)
    1 Navello                    125    6/1
    2 Fearby                     122   10/1
    3 instinctive move       117+  5/2
     others at 117,115, 114, and Kaboo at 112+
     
    Interesting result, Kaboo btn 5L, I very rarely back anything less than 7/2, I do however back allways forecasts and tricasts and singles above 5/1 so i finished around level for this race even though i had the winner at 10/1. i see little point in spending my time rating a race and then not doing FC and TC. The golden rule for me is don't believe the BS spewed around horses a further example is the result of the 405, euchan glen is a solid proven performer 11/4 against john leeper at 5/4, Does someone want to explain why john leeper was 5/4? If you can't make a profit on what you are doing simply change what you are doing.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from Wildgarden in BILLY HILLS NAP TABLE - JUNE 2021   
    Nice achievement that, well deserved 11 from 26 @44% is really worthy, very well done.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in BILLY HILLS NAP TABLE - JUNE 2021   
    Nice achievement that, well deserved 11 from 26 @44% is really worthy, very well done.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from Joales in BILLY HILLS NAP TABLE - JUNE 2021   
    Nice achievement that, well deserved 11 from 26 @44% is really worthy, very well done.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from Kingdom for in BILLY HILLS NAP TABLE - JUNE 2021   
    Nice achievement that, well deserved 11 from 26 @44% is really worthy, very well done.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in Naps - Sunday 27th June   
    NR so effernock fizz 4:45 curragh 20/1 bet365
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    Zilzalian reacted to MCLARKE in BILLY HILLS NAP TABLE - JUNE 2021   
    My daughter's wedding today so I don't think I'll be in a fit state to update this later so next update will be tomorrow.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Equaliser in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    Thoughts on Trueshan and the Plate. i would suggest you can't win a 2 mile race round there 3 wide all the way.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from gbettle in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    I couldn't agree more on Hurricane lane.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from black rabbit in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    A few thoughts from this quarter.
    i made quite a bit of money out of Trueshan last year even though marquand gave it a shocking ride in the Ebor, i had it at all rates from 33/1 down in that race but hey ho thats how it goes and i got it all back and much more when Holly gave it a peach in the long distance cup murdering the Ebor winner. But here's the thing, i have this little niggle, Kingo has got Rainbow dreamer in, is he keeping trueshan ticking over in this while using it to keep the weight down on the Dreamer? Okay call me a cynic.
    205 newmarket i hate favs but Najat looks quite strong on my speed figures so will have to be a crossed f/c Najat/delmona/fabioasa (desert dreamer also close to these in ratings) one for the mug doublers there, Rainbow dreamer and Desert dreamer? 
    145 i cant see past Streamline in this, its a very speedy aw geegee  8/1 says max bet to me, and the Coxman can get one ready.
    315 tinker toy is quick and that 12/1 looks tasty i could go on but i wont.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Brigadier in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    I couldn't agree more on Hurricane lane.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Brigadier in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    A few thoughts from this quarter.
    i made quite a bit of money out of Trueshan last year even though marquand gave it a shocking ride in the Ebor, i had it at all rates from 33/1 down in that race but hey ho thats how it goes and i got it all back and much more when Holly gave it a peach in the long distance cup murdering the Ebor winner. But here's the thing, i have this little niggle, Kingo has got Rainbow dreamer in, is he keeping trueshan ticking over in this while using it to keep the weight down on the Dreamer? Okay call me a cynic.
    205 newmarket i hate favs but Najat looks quite strong on my speed figures so will have to be a crossed f/c Najat/delmona/fabioasa (desert dreamer also close to these in ratings) one for the mug doublers there, Rainbow dreamer and Desert dreamer? 
    145 i cant see past Streamline in this, its a very speedy aw geegee  8/1 says max bet to me, and the Coxman can get one ready.
    315 tinker toy is quick and that 12/1 looks tasty i could go on but i wont.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    A few thoughts from this quarter.
    i made quite a bit of money out of Trueshan last year even though marquand gave it a shocking ride in the Ebor, i had it at all rates from 33/1 down in that race but hey ho thats how it goes and i got it all back and much more when Holly gave it a peach in the long distance cup murdering the Ebor winner. But here's the thing, i have this little niggle, Kingo has got Rainbow dreamer in, is he keeping trueshan ticking over in this while using it to keep the weight down on the Dreamer? Okay call me a cynic.
    205 newmarket i hate favs but Najat looks quite strong on my speed figures so will have to be a crossed f/c Najat/delmona/fabioasa (desert dreamer also close to these in ratings) one for the mug doublers there, Rainbow dreamer and Desert dreamer? 
    145 i cant see past Streamline in this, its a very speedy aw geegee  8/1 says max bet to me, and the Coxman can get one ready.
    315 tinker toy is quick and that 12/1 looks tasty i could go on but i wont.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Equaliser in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    I couldn't agree more on Hurricane lane.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from The Equaliser in Racing Chat - Saturday 26th June   
    A few thoughts from this quarter.
    i made quite a bit of money out of Trueshan last year even though marquand gave it a shocking ride in the Ebor, i had it at all rates from 33/1 down in that race but hey ho thats how it goes and i got it all back and much more when Holly gave it a peach in the long distance cup murdering the Ebor winner. But here's the thing, i have this little niggle, Kingo has got Rainbow dreamer in, is he keeping trueshan ticking over in this while using it to keep the weight down on the Dreamer? Okay call me a cynic.
    205 newmarket i hate favs but Najat looks quite strong on my speed figures so will have to be a crossed f/c Najat/delmona/fabioasa (desert dreamer also close to these in ratings) one for the mug doublers there, Rainbow dreamer and Desert dreamer? 
    145 i cant see past Streamline in this, its a very speedy aw geegee  8/1 says max bet to me, and the Coxman can get one ready.
    315 tinker toy is quick and that 12/1 looks tasty i could go on but i wont.
     
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from gbettle in Racing Chat - Friday 18th June   
    well you have to take a position, mine which has worked well is that G and GF is the standard, i dont differentiate after that the highest figure is the highest figure irrespective of going based on the assumption its the same for all the horses, ascot probably proves this point, in truth the more you over think it the more you end up kicking yourself i dont usually include favs in my betting and didnt today even tho point lonsdale was my top rated there wasnt really enough data to be definitive so left the win alone and just did a small fc and tc bet which failed but that wasnt overthinking that was/is my strategy the returns dont justify the outlay over a season sounds odd i know but it works for me. when i have a little more time i will pm you a pretty useful use of race times on the assumption you will keep it to yourself and not publish.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in Racing Chat - Friday 18th June   
    well you have to take a position, mine which has worked well is that G and GF is the standard, i dont differentiate after that the highest figure is the highest figure irrespective of going based on the assumption its the same for all the horses, ascot probably proves this point, in truth the more you over think it the more you end up kicking yourself i dont usually include favs in my betting and didnt today even tho point lonsdale was my top rated there wasnt really enough data to be definitive so left the win alone and just did a small fc and tc bet which failed but that wasnt overthinking that was/is my strategy the returns dont justify the outlay over a season sounds odd i know but it works for me. when i have a little more time i will pm you a pretty useful use of race times on the assumption you will keep it to yourself and not publish.
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in Racing Chat - Friday 18th June   
    140/1 forecast (365 bog) for this punter.  That's 2fcs and a 14/1 winner this week of my 2yo ratings from 4 races
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from MCLARKE in Racing Chat - Friday 18th June   
    winner yesterday following the fc weds so speed figures for 230 the Albany
    1 sows          120+        33/1
    2 hello you    117   aw     7/1
    3 sandrine    115+          22/1
    3 gypsy lady 115+ aw   66/1
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    Zilzalian got a reaction from cannotbebeat in Racing Chat - Friday 18th June   
    140/1 forecast (365 bog) for this punter.  That's 2fcs and a 14/1 winner this week of my 2yo ratings from 4 races
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