stewartd14 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 This is a Glory Hunt that will combine a lot of my selections into "safe" Betfair multiples. The prices certainly wont be great but I hope for a decent strike rate. Small starting bank, and I aim to build this up slowly. I will mainly be doing accumulators with teams to lose. Selections will be based on "football form system" found in S+S. Selections are also included in Short term Glory Hunt's 1 and 2 in the GH section. Start Bank: £12.72 (Had £2.72 lying around) Bet 1 LAY Grossetto to beat Pisa LAY Ravenna to beat Trevisio LAY Dijon to beat Nantes £12.72 Accumulator @ 1.43 Potential Return: £18.19 :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr shrewdie Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun stewart first time I've had a look at these multiples on betfair, when you put the selections in it says 'all selections must not win'. Does this mean that even if one team wins, you lose, i always thought a multiple was all win or if laying not win?? I'm confused or dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun You got it right mate. If I do an accumulator with 4 LAYS, all 4 teams must not win (definition of a lay is backing the team not to win). Same as if I do a BACK Accumulator with 4 teams, all teams must WIN. There is then the laying a back accumulator etc that gets confusing but if you want me to explain I will. :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingForTheEnemy Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun LOL. Theres then mixing backs and lays and laying or backing the bet.:ok:tongue2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr shrewdie Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun ok, I can't get my head around a LAY multiple, for example your LAY Treble, if all 3 lose you win - simple, but 2 lose and 1 win the Lay treble is a loser? :unsure I would think that because its a LAY it would still be a winner, because all 3 didn't win. Call me a stupid cnut if you want, but I might try it for myself with a few £2's. :$ Good luck with this and the other glory hunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jk Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Great start mate :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun ok, I can't get my head around a LAY multiple, for example your LAY Treble, if all 3 lose you win - simple, but 2 lose and 1 win the Lay treble is a loser? :unsure I would think that because its a LAY it would still be a winner, because all 3 didn't win. Call me a stupid cnut if you want, but I might try it for myself with a few £2's. :$ Good luck with this and the other glory hunts. I think you are over complicating it for yourself. Give me 10 mins to get spreadsheets up to date and then I will try to explain it the best I can. :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun This is a Glory Hunt that will combine a lot of my selections into "safe" Betfair multiples. The prices certainly wont be great but I hope for a decent strike rate. Small starting bank, and I aim to build this up slowly. I will mainly be doing accumulators with teams to lose. Selections will be based on "football form system" found in S+S. Selections are also included in Short term Glory Hunt's 1 and 2 in the GH section. Start Bank: £12.72 (Had £2.72 lying around) Bet 1 LAY Grossetto to beat Pisa :clap:clap LAY Ravenna to beat Trevisio :clap:clap LAY Dijon to beat Nantes :clap:clap £12.72 Accumulator @ 1.43 Potential Return: £18.19 :hope:hope :nana Start Bank: £12.72 Current Bank: £18.19 P/L: +£5.47 Will be back with another tomorrow. Promising start. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun ok, I can't get my head around a LAY multiple, for example your LAY Treble, if all 3 lose you win - simple, but 2 lose and 1 win the Lay treble is a loser? :unsure I would think that because its a LAY it would still be a winner, because all 3 didn't win. Call me a stupid cnut if you want, but I might try it for myself with a few £2's. :$ Good luck with this and the other glory hunts. OK. What I placed tonight was a back multiple, the kind you would place at a normal bookie. However, as it is an accumulator, I need all bets to win. Each part of my bet was backing a team to lose, just like a single LAY (assuming you understand this). For the bet to win, all 3 lays had to be correct, which meant all 3 teams failing to win. This happened and I was payed out. When it comes down to LAY multiples, it is slightly different. I found it confusing at first, but it sometimes helps to break it down into individual singles, and then think about them being combined. If I was to do the following bet in a Lay accumulator: BACK Man U BACK Arsenal BACK Chelsea It is basically like you accepting someone else's BACK Accumulator. You are LAYING someone else's bet for all 3 teams to win, just like a bookie. If 1 selection loses, the accumulator is down and the LAYER takes the backers money. If all 3 teams win, it will cost you the backers stake x the odds of the multiple. Do you get me so far ? Do you want me to explain the LAYING of a LAY Accumulator? Let me know mate, just need to make sure you get the basics 1st. Dont be afraid to ask any stupid questions, I was you not long ago and I am happy to help. :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr shrewdie Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun I get you, I do understand the single ,back, lays on betfair, as I find it easier to pick losers than winners, if you know what I mean, although with a bigger risk. Please try me with the Lay acc, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Ok, (Need to think this through myself) Laying someone else's LAY acca is like taking someone else's bet on 4 teams to lose or draw, in essence backing the other team. For your bet to be up, you need 1 of the lays to WIN. If that happens you get the backers stake. If all the lays fail to win, you have to pay the backer out at stake x odds offered. The Lay accumulators are the risky ones as you can lose a lot more than you can gain. The Back ones are just the same as ones you would place at your local bookies, but you can combine teams to win, and teams not to win, essentially backing a team to win.draw. If you need me to elaborate, just let me know. :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingForTheEnemy Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun I always find it easier with these to use the "pretend you're a bookie" scenario. Like stewart said, the Back Accas are simple enough. You chose to either back or lay teams and when you back the acca ALL of the results must go as you predict for you to win. When you lay an acca its like the bookies taking an acca from you, ONE part of the bet goes wrong and they keep your money. Same here. If you lay an acca you're saying the selections you put WONT ALL happen. JUST ONE needs to be wrong for you to win the bet. As Stewart said, laying acca's is much higher risk though. Imagine all those £2 accas put on at the weekend that may payout £500 if they win. You could lay these but would be stumping up £500 to win £2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr shrewdie Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Cheers guys, I will digest, I think I understand. Good luck with this, I will follow with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 2 LAY Lazio to beat Fiorentina LAY Catania to beat Atalanta LAY Cagliari to beat Sampdoria LAY Fulham to beat Newcastle LAY Derby to beat Middlesboro £13.19 Accumulator @ 2.22 Potential Return: £29.28 :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jk Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Good luck mate, I've joined you on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jk Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun A last minute Sampdoria goal means all the Italian games are winners, with Derby and Fulham both losing. :hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 2 LAY Lazio to beat Fiorentina :clap:clap LAY Catania to beat Atalanta :clap:clap LAY Cagliari to beat Sampdoria :clap:clap LAY Fulham to beat Newcastle :clap:clap LAY Derby to beat Middlesboro :clap:clap £13.19 Accumulator @ 2.22 Potential Return: £29.28 :hope:hope Well an 88th minute Sampdoria goal means Bet 2 is a winner. Bank now: £34.28 P/L: +£24.28 :nana:nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jk Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Beautiful mate :beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 3 Champions Lge Barcelona, Manchester Utd and Chelsea TO QUALIFY £24.28 Accumulator @ 1.97 :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnlux Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun good luck with this mate, those are what i would of gone for. Another winner would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun good luck with this mate' date=' those are what i would of gone for. Another winner would be nice.[/quote'] Cheers mate :ok Looking good with both United AND Barca taking leads into home ties. :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 3 Champions Lge Barcelona, Manchester Utd and Chelsea TO QUALIFY £24.28 Accumulator @ 1.97 :hope:hope :clap:clap:clap:clap Bet returns: £46.65 Total Bank: £56.65 Start Bank: £10 Total Profit: £46.65 :nana:nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 4 LAY Blackburn to beat Liverpool LAY Motherwell to beat Celtic LAY Arsenal to beat Man Utd LAY GBA to beat Anderlecht £13.65 BACK Multiple @ 1.79 Potential Return: £24.63 Bet 5 LAY Blackburn to beat Liverpool LAY Arsenal to beat Man Utd LAY GBA to beat Anderlecht LAY Rangers to beat Partick Just for fun: £3 BACK Accumulator @ 5.57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 4 LAY Blackburn to beat Liverpool :clap:clap LAY Motherwell to beat Celtic :clap:clap LAY Arsenal to beat Man Utd :clap:clap LAY GBA to beat Anderlecht :hope:hope £13.65 BACK Multiple @ 1.79 Potential Return: £24.63 Bet 5 LAY Blackburn to beat Liverpool :clap:clap LAY Arsenal to beat Man Utd :clap:clap LAY GBA to beat Anderlecht LAY Rangers to beat Partick :eyes Just for fun: £3 BACK Accumulator @ 5.57 Fingers crossed that Anderlecht avoid defeat tonight for another winner to make it 4/5. The loser being the fun one today where I had layed Rangers to beat Partick @ 2/9 !! :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHUPUNTER Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun What was the Anderlecht score then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun What was the Anderlecht score then? Patience, patience :lol ............................. 2-0 Anderlecht :nana:nana Will update later. :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHUPUNTER Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Sorry boss ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 14, 2008 Author Share Posted April 14, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Bet 4 LAY Blackburn to beat Liverpool :clap:clap LAY Motherwell to beat Celtic :clap:clap LAY Arsenal to beat Man Utd :clap:clap LAY GBA to beat Anderlecht :clap £13.65 BACK Multiple @ 1.79 Potential Return: £24.63 That gives us another winner :nana:nana The stats now read :drums Start Bank: £10.00 :loon Current Bank: £64.63 P/L: +£54.63 :nana:nana Who says you cant make money from sweeties. :loon Certainly not going to get overconfident though, I know how difficult this game can be at times and I know trouble could be just around the corner. :ok:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartd14 Posted April 19, 2008 Author Share Posted April 19, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun BACK West Ham to beat Derby LAY Burnley to beat Southampton LAY Gretna to beat Falkirk LAY Denzilspor to beat Fenerbahce LAY Espanyol to beat Barcelona £14.63 BACK Multiple @ 2.29 :hope:hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevsul Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Re: Some Betfair multiples fun Nice going mate:clap :hope for today picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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