gazabroad Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 About time! Cheating cnut! These investigations into race fixing seem to have gone on forever, but finally they are bringing charges.You can be certain of one thing.They wouldn´t be bringing any charges unless they were sure of getting a verdict. Before You start leaping to his defense, just remember, its You and me He´s been cheating. NO ONE else. We ultimately give him his fancy lifestyle. Its a shame as he and the others charged have a lot of talent and make a lot of money. Satisfied wth that? Are they bollox. No, they feel they are entitled to more. Personally if I see him on a course again it will be 100 years too soon. Oh yes btw, I have every reason for this rant as He cheated me with his antics:@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZuluWarrior Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged I wonder if the feds have seized thier betfair accounts? I'd bet thats a nice little earner for the London constabulary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Remember he is not the only one. Once found guilty, i will post what i think until then i reserve some judgement. It would be a shame if the best modern day classic winner was in fact guilty of these charges. The game is bent, any self respecting punter knows that. Not every horse is running on its merits in every race, it is not possible. Jockeys ride to instructions & are employed to do so like any other profession. Selling this info onto punters is immoral but again until such time as someone is banned for life, it will keep happening. He is not one of my favourite jocks but his record speaks for itself. Remember Piggot went away for tax fraud, i've a feeling he would have been in his element in these Betfair days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRat Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged What exactly are they meant to have done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderfoot Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged One reason not to bet horses on Betfair ........ not that I do! I'll stick to Football (EXCLUDING THE ITALIAN GAMES ;) ;) ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Theres been something dodgy about him for a long time and it'll be very interesting to see if this goes to trial what comes out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aykay1 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Its a shame but anyone who doesnt think that racing is bent is naive im afraid. By the sports very nature, it is interlinked with betting and therefore money - as a result, there will be corruption. The handicapping system doesnt help either, but nevertheless is a vital part of the sport. I think we just have to accept that it will ALWAYS be a part of racing :( :( :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexmac Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Has he been suspended from racing in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aykay1 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Yes i think so..... whilst the case is ongoing anyway... He was winning the Irish Derby yesterday - what a comedown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavello Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged The vast majority of races are not bent. I don't consider running horses at their wrong distances, out of their class etc to be crooked. That part of form analysis. Even getting horses fit by racing them when only 90% fit is O.K. All athletes require a few races before peaking. Unfortunately the old paddock review is no longer included in the formbook. This used to indicate horse that were backward, bit backward, leggy.have scope etc. Watch most races and IMO too many horses are given excessively hard races when clearly beaten to satisfy punters who believe all jockey are cheats, w**kers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazabroad Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 Re: Fallon charged IMO too many horses are given excessively hard races when clearly beaten to satisfy punters who believe all jockey are cheats' date=' w**kers etc.[/quote'] Mmm, wonder why they should think that then with pri*ks like this in the sport.:unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferru Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Moderators- Isn't it illegal to comment publically on whether someone charged with a crime is innocent or guilty until such time as they have tried and found guilty or not guilty, as doing so jeopardises the accused's right to a fair trial? Surely this whole thread should therefore be removed. Jeff About time! Cheating cnut!...Before You start leaping to his defense, just remember, its You and me He´s been cheating. NO ONE else. We ultimately give him his fancy lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleetFanatic Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Watch most races and IMO too many horses are given excessively hard races when clearly beaten to satisfy punters who believe all jockey are cheats' date=' w**kers etc.[/quote']On the other hand, there are many each-way punters infuriated by the 'easing off' when approaching the finishing post by some jockeys which means a horse doesn't finish in the places when it should. Anybody who hates what goes on in the sport shouldn't be gambling on it, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazabroad Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Ferru, Are You Fallon in disguise?:dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleetFanatic Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Moderators- Isn't it illegal to comment publically on whether someone charged with a crime is innocent or guilty until such time as they have tried and found guilty or not guilty, as doing so jeopardises the accused's right to a fair trial? Surely this whole thread should therefore be removed. Jeff The answer is no - expression of opinion can be freely posted on here by anybody who has no connection to the accused or the alledged crime. Fallon, for example, cannot comment. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Fallon charged The answer is no - expression of opinion can be freely posted on here by anybody who has no connection to the accused or the alledged crime. Fallon, for example, cannot comment. :ok its his opinion only & is in no way connected to the opinions of other Punters Lounge members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Re: Fallon charged The game is bent, any self respecting punter knows that. I've long thought that, what I don't understand is why people stand for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferru Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Re: Fallon charged I am not a lawyer, so I cannot be 100 % sure it is illegal to state that someone charged with a crime is guilty. However, it is not irresponsible not to remove potentially libellous comments from the board? To call publically condemn as a criminal someone who has never been found guilty of anything in a court of law is scandalous IMHO. Jeff The answer is no - expression of opinion can be freely posted on here by anybody who has no connection to the accused or the alledged crime. Fallon, for example, cannot comment. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRat Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Sometimes a jockey may ease off if you've had an EW punt to allow one of your picks to place. Works for and against you at times Like people have said - its obviously crooked, but thats part of it and you don't HAVE to bet if you dont want although saying this, if guilty it's obviously a discrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalpunter Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Fallon barred from British rides. KIEREN FALLON will not be allowed to continue riding in Britain after being charged as part of a police investigation into alleged race-fixing. Fellow jockeys Fergal Lynch and Darren Williams, who have also been charged with conspiracy to defraud Betfair customers, will also not be allowed to ride in Britain until after the result of any trial. The three riders on Friday morning appeared before a special panel at the Horseracing Regulatory Authority's Headquarters on Shaftesbury Avenue. Fallon, Williams and Lynch were three of 11 peoplecharged by the City Of London Police on Monday. Trainer Alan Berry is the other individual licensed by the HRA to have been charged. Berry was allowed to continue to train after Tuesday's hearing at the HRA permitted the Lancashire handler to carry on sending out runners from his Cockerham base. The HRA's special panel decided a ban would be "disproportionate" for Berry as any trial is not likely to begin before the spring of 2007. However, today's hearing found that Fallon should be prohibited from riding in Britain on his Irish licence "until the conclusion of the trial or further orders". The HRA panel's decision means Fallon will miss out on his ride in Saturday's Coral-Eclipse at Sandown, where he was set to partner the Aidan O'Brien-trained Aussie Rules. The panel, chaired by HRA board director Sir Michael Connell, also found that Lynch and Williams should not be granted licences "until the conclusion of their trial or further orders". In a statement issued on Fallon's behalf by his solicitors, BCL Burton Copeland, the rider said: "I am obviously devastated by the HRA decision. "I always thought that a man was innocent until proved guilty. "I cannot understand this decision as I am confident that I have done nothing wrong, and my lawyers are confident that the case against me has no validity whatsoever. "In fact I am utterly amazed the police were able to charge me based on the evidence I have seen and the questions that they have been asking me this year. "My livelihood is dependent upon racing and I will be appealing against this decision as it is extremely harsh and inconsistent given the HRA panel's verdict on Alan Berry published earlier this week. "I am grateful for the support I have received from many trainers and owners around the world. "However, unless my suspension is lifted my career is in ruins as I cannot ask owners or trainers to support me elsewhere when I am prevented from riding in the UK." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowgli77 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Re: Fallon charged This ruling is pathetic. How can you charge everyone and then allow a trainer to carry on but not a jockey. Double standards. It's a shame we won't get to see Fallon riding in this country again unless this gets overturned. I rate him as the best jockey of modern times and hope he is proven innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Re: Fallon charged This ruling is pathetic. How can you charge everyone and then allow a trainer to carry on but not a jockey. Double standards. It's a shame we won't get to see Fallon riding in this country again unless this gets overturned. I rate him as the best jockey of modern times and hope he is proven innocent. strikes me they must be fairly confident as i am pretty sure Fallon & the others could sue for loss of earnings??? which in Fallons case could be high!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowgli77 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Fallon seems genuinely shocked that he's been charged and pretty confident that he'll be found not guilty. Unless they have something like hidden audio or video tapes I can't really see them proving much if its just based on betting accounts. On the other hand CPS are monitored on their success rate at court and only usually prosecute if they think they have a good case likely to result in convictions. The court case will be very interesting. Past experience tells me the CPS will probably lose the file by the time it gets to court, they're bleeding useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aykay1 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: Fallon charged I'm pretty staggered by the decision to ban Fallon from British racing to be honest. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?? There will be trouble if he gets off. Like Bowles says, loss of earnings could be very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowles10 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: Fallon charged I'm pretty staggered by the decision to ban Fallon from British racing to be honest. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?? There will be trouble if he gets off. Like Bowles says, loss of earnings could be very high. I'm in that camp also AK, ok, they may find him guilty but he has been riding since he was originally charged with the offence so whats the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Re: Fallon charged Hi Guys; My understanding is that the difference between the Alan Berry and the others is simply the volume of offences. Berry + others have ben charged over the running of Hillside Girl in one race only. Not withstanding that if Berry was suspended the panel took into account Berry`s employees who would all find themselves out of work and they found a full suspension disproportionate to the offence. In the case of Fallon,Feargal Lynch,Darren Williams indicates there are a number of horses/races to consider. The principle that a man is considered innocent until proven guilty is relevant to criminal law only. Apart from Fallon whose retainer is in Ireland and still able to ride in Ireland and earn. Lynch and Williams while unable to ride are able to apply for compensation until the trial paid by BHB. In other words like any other employee suspended with pay pending the result of the trial. That`s my take of the situation. I saw another issue raised which highlights trainers running horses at wrong distances purposefully which should be spotted by the punter through form analysis. I am not convinced by this argument as I believe a trainer should know the best distance to run a horse and they have a moral obligation to allow the horse to run to their full potential. They also have knowledge of knowing the horses pedigree to aid their decision making. It strikes me as curious as running a horse purposefully at a wrong distance to obtain a favourable handicap mark is not seen as wrong doing but just my own opinion.:) The confidence of the punter should be paramount in addressing these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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