Pie-chucker Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Right. Time to get a few tickles on the spreads for the series. I'm small stakes on this, but always like to have a bit of ongoing interest. I'll kick-off with a couple. Please add if you see any spreads you think are wrongly priced, making stakes 1 - 5, and we'll see what the thread can pull in from now to September. Bell series ton-ups with Cantor (must play three games). 20-25. I expect to see a few headlines such as Bell Chimes in with Unbeaten Ton so this is a buy. There's a bit of class about the England No.4 and if Tresco/Strauss/Vaughan can get going Bell will be well-placed to put together some big innings. He has the class and cool head to 'go on with it' past the 80-type knock. Selectors will stick with him and if the dreaded broken finger/out for rest of series strikes early, we have the 'play 3 tests proviso'. But this ton-up malarchy is a tough old way to rack up quids as you only make money when the geezer is in three figures. Warne series runs is quoted at 110-125 with Spin. Two very confident tons this summer for Hampshire and now thinks he can bat. If England can run Aus close-ish in this series he should get six knocks or so coming in at 8. I would think there's at least one half-century in him. Therefore: BUY Bell series ton-ups at 25. 3pts BUY Warne runs at 125. 2pts :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie-chucker Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Perhaps Swooperman can help out here, generally speaking, but I think the 3 strike bowlers take the wickets and the 4th & the container/spinner chip in depending on the wicket. Even with a great allrounder, Flintoff, perhaps yet to live up to his billing, England go in with 4 bowlers. Why? Pie-chucker XI at Lords (should have been): Tresco Strauss Vaughan Bell KP Collingwood Flintoff Jones the gloves Giles Harmison Tremlett This is a Lords bouncy pitch and the three quicks are average 6' 6" tall. You've got the irritation of Giles and the 'Steve Waugh' bowling of Collingwood and Vaughan and Bell must be told to bowl. Australia play 4 bowlers and do not have a genuine all-rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Ashes Series My argument exactly, PC, if you remember I said the same thing after xmas & was laughed at.......I dont think that Vaughan has enough faith in Jones the bowler to give him a full stint, & if that was true I would play another batsman, as I think Geraint Jones walking in @ 8 is a strong team in anyones book. The problem is if they get after Giles, & they will try to hit him out of the attack, They dont have respect for him as a wicket taker but they know he can tie them down so they will attack him & not let him settle. The Aussies have no such problem with Warne, remember his economy rate is below 3. Personally I would still pick Hoggy, but rather than Collingwood I would still pick Thorpe. Englands players always seemed happier with Thorpe as the safety valve, & whilst picking Pietersen is brave & a good choice for cricket, who would you rather have walking in at 20-3 ?? Pietersen is a very un-English selection IMO, (pardon the pun) but it should delight all gamblers as with no Thorpe there is even more value in laying the draw. Thorpe could save a test on occasions & whilst thats not a win, sometimes you have to survive to fight another day. I think that could cost England in the series. Pietersen has been picked on his enthusiasm & belief in the dressing room as much as anything IMO, not a bad reason, but theres no doubt he's got sand....SJ have a market where hes 7/1 to ton in the Lords Test, & 1/4 not to...I wouldnt back him to do it, but with his confidence I wouldnt back against him either..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effigy Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Ashes Series I like your point with Thorpe, swooperman, with Pietersen England are setting their stall out as an attaking force, and there is no problem with that but there is no-one I like more than Thorpe coming out when the chips are down ( at 20-3 as you say ) and grinding out 40 or 50 over 3 or 4 hours. Over a 5 test series sometimes a draw is as good as a win especially when it's a tight series as I expect this to be. However that aside I put a couple of medium size bets on these: Australia 2-1 (9-1) Vaughn over 395 runs in series (evens) Series 1-1 draw (20-1) I'm taking this at smaller stakes as with our British "summers" you never know when it's going to pelt down so I think there's a chance, you know one test will be rained out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete2304 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Anyone like the look of Pieterson at 11/2 to be top english batsman? It just caught my eye this morning but I seem to be the only one so there must be something wrong with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Ashes Series I prefer somebody like Bell or even Flintoff tbh, @ bigger odds as well. At least theyve got some test runs under their belts already, but its a very tough market to get right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie-chucker Posted July 18, 2005 Author Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Yeah, tough market. I'd be on Bell. He's faced McGrath on a couple of occasions (fairly insignificant ones) and came out on top. Huge step up for him in his 4th test, but he should go well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friskyfitz Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Re: Ashes Series TBH I dont really like to get involved in Cricket as we Paddies just don't understand it but for a long Gurantee Thirty Series Wickets?Shane Warne NOT to take 30 or more Series wickets1/4 this should turn any £4,000 into £5,000 without breaking a sweat.... better odds than in a bank account!! I do like a bet on M.Vaughan @ 9/2 with Coral as top English Batsman, though and will try to get on fairly big on this... I'm absolutely no cricket expert though so beware!!!! this is Swoop's territory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Warney you wouldnt have thought would get 30 wickets, but he has cleared 30 in England in 2 out of the last 3 series Fritz, although one was a 6 match series tbf. You have to remember that hes been a class act....because hes played for Hants theres less surprise in his bowling these days but 1/4 is mighty short..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Re: Ashes Series because hes played for Hants theres less surprise in his bowling these days The reason there's less surprise is that he no longer turns the ball so much and doesn't have the variation that he had 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series As they often do, the bookies have not really researched some of the more obscure cricket markets, and as a result there are some gifts available ahead of the Ashes series. One of the most interesting markets is for the highest 1st innings opening partnership in the 1st Test Match at Lord’s. Every bookie that offers odds for this makes Take the last 8 matches of each team. Trescothick and Strauss average 64.25 for the opening 1st innings partnership. They have beaten the opponents’ opening stand 6 times out of 8, with 1 tie. Hayden and Langer have lost 6 out of 8, averaging just 42. The Australia favourites, while the stats indicate that it is England’s opening partnership of Strauss and Trescothick that have the edge over Hayden and Langer.’s opening partnership of Strauss and Trescothick that have the edge over Hayden and Langer.England bowlers have taken the opponents’ 1st wicket for an average of 23 runs, with their Australian counterparts conceding 40.88 before making the breakthrough. Everything points towards an England victory in this particular market, yet William Hill are prepared to offer us odds of 2.25. Another generous offer is the 1.50 available at Sporting Odds and Sporting Bet for England to win at least one Test Match. Most experts believe that England have a realistic chance of winning the series, with their strongest team for years, against an arguably faltering Australian team. England have managed to win at least 1 test in each of the last 6 Ashes series, and they have achieved this with much poorer line ups to the one they have this year, against stronger Australian sides. The odds for this should be closer to 1.2, unless the bookies have decided that it will rain all summer. England highest opening partnership 1st test @ 2.25 (William Hill) England to win at least one test @ 1.50 (Sporting Odds/Sporting Bet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series nice spots dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series This forum really doesn't like it when you paste something from word does it?:\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Puntalot Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Use notepad Dave. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khartoum Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Gents to win a test they're 1.61 on Betfair. All the best, Khartoum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingForTheEnemy Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Can someone explain this ruling for me? Not a cricketing man. If the official result is a Tied Match in any Test, County or Limited Overs Match then all bets on Match Odds markets will be void Whats the difference between a tied match and a draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albi000 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Can someone explain this ruling for me? Not a cricketing man. Whats the difference between a tied match and a draw? A tied match is when the scores are level at the end of the game. A draw is when there is no result. Vey unlikely in test match cricket, but i guess it could happen. A tie occurred in the one day series between Australia and England recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBoy Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Draw: You could consider this to be "match not finished" i.e. running out of time. A test match is 5 days, so if you get to the end of day 5 and England have scored 400 & 300. Australia have scored 500 and are currently 150 for 5. Aussies still need to score some runs, England need to take some wickets, but no time left, so it's a draw. Tie: Scores are the same eg. England 200 & 350. Australia 300 & 250 all out. Tie, doesn't happen very often. Sorry, that's probably even more more confusing:ok BTW, why has Hoggy not been involved in any of the one day games?:\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingForTheEnemy Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Thanks guys, makes perfect sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Puntalot Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Welcome to PL albi000. :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albi000 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Some stats I found interesting Australia vs England at Lords Australia 13 Draw 14 England 5 since 1934 Australia 8 Draw 9 England 1 There has also only been one draw since 1998 at Lords in World test cricket. Everyone is predicting the series could be made or broken in the first session. Can't wait for this one to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie-chucker Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Weather looks OK. Taking out the draw, England look huge at 5.25 with Centrebet. But there again could be 66-5 at lunch (wash your mouth out, Pie). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Kane Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Couple of Series bets I like the look of: 1pt Top English Runscorer - Vaughn @ 4.25 1pt Top Aussie Runscorer - Ponting @ 3.25 1pt Aussie Series win 3-1 @ 6.00 1st Test bets: 1pt England Opening P'ship @ 2.10 1pt Aussie to win @ 1.75 1pt Vaughn to score more runs than Pietersen 1st innings @ 1.80 All odds with NZTab Good luck all Cheers CK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series England well on top after 1st session - Aussies won toss, chose to bat + 97/5 at lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davidmphill Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Key session coming now with Australia's last remaining batsmen. Really need to get rid of Gilchrist early before he causes havoc. 9/10 so far for England, keep it up boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swooperman Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Gilchrist gone :notworthy Flintoff is a god...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Fat boy Warnes caning us, need to get the philanderer out very soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Seconds later they do!!!!! 175-7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmphill Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Re: Ashes Series Katich goes hooking Harmy 178-8!!! Come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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