Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

[Sir Puntalot]

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[TR=class: row0, bgcolor: #F0F0F0] [TD=align: center][/TD] [TD=class: firstColumn]FC BATE Borisov v Valencia (19:45 BST)[/TD] [TD=class: selectionBestOdd, align: center]3.75[/TD] [TD=class: selectionBestOdd, align: center]3.55[/TD] [TD=class: selectionBestOdd, align: center]2.1[/TD] [TD=class: bppWidth bpp, align: center]102.45 %[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE][/h] [TABLE=class: couponTable, width: 617] [TR=class: row1] [TD=align: center][/TD] [TD=class: firstColumn]Lille OSC v FC Bayern München (19:45 BST)[/TD] [TD=class: selectionBestOdd, align: center]6.25[/TD] [TD=class: selectionBestOdd, align: center]4.1[/TD] [TD=class: selectionBestOdd, align: center]1.63[/TD] [TD=class: bppWidth bpp, align: center]101.74 %[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]

[Simeon Borisof]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) BATE scored 3 against both Lille and Bayern but conceded too.I think hosting Valencia which isn't the best visiting side won't make any difference.They are more than capable of scoring goals especially at home.Valencia lost 4 of their all 5 visits since the beginning of the season and drew once at Bernabeu when they were lucky not to lose.BATE is on fire right now being 1st in the ECL group stage as well as in their local championship.They play attacking football and right now they score goals for fun.BATE not to lose or BTS is a good option to me both with bet365.gl

[Fedar]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) I take immediately Valencia here before the price goes down. It is time for BATE to get dealt with. There should not be a glimpse of underestimation by Valencia after the game with Bayern, and underestimation has been very important weapon for BATE. They just have to go for the win, otherwise their passing the group will be under big question and they cannot afford not to qualify. Valencia is not convincing away in Primera, but this game is very special and BATE is weaker than most Primera teams. I think Valencia should be comfortable here and get something like a 2:0 win.

[usun]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) - BATE lost 0:1 recently in a 1/8 domestic cup game against weak opponent (playing shorthanded most part of the game). However, it was their second/third squad, at the same days there were games of National Belarus team and 9 players from BATE were part of that. - The latest win 2:1 vs Slavia was alarming, they easily led game the first 3/4 of match, but at the last 1/4 almost choked. - National Belarus team lost without any resistance to Spain 0:4, the only good player from Belarus/Bate side was Hleb. However, they won vs Georgia 2:0 relatively easy with more players from BATE in the starting line-up (7!). - BATE has horrible stats vs teams from Spain. So, Valencia will be very difficult for them. - BATE might be out of their peak sligtly right now, but they will still bring everything they got to this game, it's their primary goal and they are resting key players for this match. They are team with tiny budget (8-10 mil) and ECL is their primary source of income. - Valencia will be highly motivated, they won't underestimate BATE, they have a good defense in comparison what Lille and Bayern showed in the first two games, they have a good record vs smaller teams. - Weather: Oct 24, Minsk http://meteo.by/en/minsk/ - +9C expected in the evening, 80% humidity, minor rains in the first half of the day. So the pitch will be relatively bad, and it will be cold and windy. So, looks like Valencia is a favourite, but it will be tough one, far away from the cake work.

[SALVO7ITALY]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Can't believe no one has jumped on Bayern Munich yet??? Bayern Munich have now gone 8 games unbeaten in the Bundesliga and are now keen to bounce back following the unexpected loss to Bate. They won 5 nil on the weekend and apparently looked unstoppable. Lille have lost both champions leagues games this year and have looked a poor side. 10 pts on Bayern to win @ 1.5

[usun]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Valencia should score, BATE's defense cannot keep the focus during the whole match and chokes (esp Polyakov and Likhtarovitch). Plus Valencia is good at set pieces and this will be a difference maker - BATE's corners count for the first two matches is something like 1 vs 24. BATE was very lucky Bayern sucks at set pieces. ps. Valencia won't check the pitch until before match start. Ok, that's a bit alarming. Are they so confident or don't care/underestimate? The pitch will be not the one they are used to, far away from that. I cannot even say if both of team score.

[McNasara]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) @usun :welcome to PL

[Mirage]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) 4/10pts BATE (+1 goal) to beat Valencia - 4/5 with BoyleSports I think this price just about represents value. BATE are coming in to this game after a brilliant victory over Bayern so if they can do that to last years runner-up they can certainly do that to Valencia. BATE look to have their league wrapped up so there isn't as much to think about other than this game as some other teams have to deal with and the coach has already confirmed he has a fully-ft squad to choose from. The pressure on Valencia to get a result here is huge because a loss and a Bayern win would see them 3 points off that 2nd qualifying spot. They may also have to play a different system because of an injury to Mathieu whilst their goalkeeper has been ill so preperations have been far from ideal. This inconsistent Valencia are only 9th in La Liga and last year struggled away from home - they only picked up a single point and that was away to Genk. I want to go bigger on this bet because in a lot of ways I think this is a good price on BATE not to lose but the reality is that they can't be trusted as last seasons results were not good at times. Valencia aren't the side they once were and this is a tough environment to play in so i'll put a solid stake ok BATE to carry on their good form.

[altocirrus]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) BATE had their league game last thursday and won 2-1, while Valencia played this sunday and needed 2 late goals to win 3-2. Valencia's away form in ECL isn't that great. I wouldn't dare putting my money on them against an on-fire and well-rested home side. Just FYI..

[hebert10]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Lille v Bayern Bayern -1 Handicap @ 11/8 Betfred Bayern need to put the loss to BATE behind them here and get the Champions league campaign back on course. Lille are without Debuchy and this could be a big loss for them, after losing some key players at the end of last season they are really struggling domestically and in Europe already this season. Bayern have been quality in the Bundesliga and after that surprise loss to BATE they have gone on to win there last 3 games without conceding a goal. Bayern should have far too much quality for Lille here, even with Robben out they have alot of attacking options and all can find the net with not much trouble.

[Fedar]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

BATE had their league game last thursday and won 2-1, while Valencia played this sunday and needed 2 late goals to win 3-2. Valencia's away form in ECL isn't that great. I wouldn't dare putting my money on them against an on-fire and well-rested home side. Just FYI..

Valencia did not play on Sunday! The game vs Bilbao was on Saturday. Please, check your info b4 making an argument.

[catalinho07]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

I take immediately Valencia here before the price goes down. It is time for BATE to get dealt with. There should not be a glimpse of underestimation by Valencia after the game with Bayern' date=' and underestimation has been very important weapon for BATE. They just have to go for the win, otherwise their passing the group will be under big question and they cannot afford not to qualify. Valencia is not convincing away in Primera, but this game is very special and BATE is weaker than most Primera teams. I think Valencia should be comfortable here and get something like a 2:0 win.[/quote'] Why is it time for BATE to be dealt with? Why does BATE's winning streak must end? It's 11 vs 11 as it was with Lille and Bayern where they were more pragmatic than their opponents. BATE rested the big guns against Slavia Mozyr and still won 2-1. Valencia lost 4/5 games away and I don't see any signs why they should win in Belarus, where it's a very hard place to play.

[catalinho07]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Can't believe no one has jumped on Bayern Munich yet??? Bayern Munich have now gone 8 games unbeaten in the Bundesliga and are now keen to bounce back following the unexpected loss to Bate. They won 5 nil on the weekend and apparently looked unstoppable. Lille have lost both champions leagues games this year and have looked a poor side. 10 pts on Bayern to win @ 1.5

1.5 is not worthed. Bayern lost 4/5 away games in CHL and won 1/6 only. Lille has 0 points so far and everyone expects them to lose as they are in a bad form. Bundesliga and CHL are 2 different competitions, and you can see how different teams perform in their domestic league and in Champions League. Over 2.5 should be the best bet here.

[Fedar]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Why is it time for BATE to be dealt with? Why does BATE's winning streak must end? It's 11 vs 11 as it was with Lille and Bayern where they were more pragmatic than their opponents. BATE rested the big guns against Slavia Mozyr and still won 2-1. Valencia lost 4/5 games away and I don't see any signs why they should win in Belarus' date=' where it's a very hard place to play.[/quote'] Because let's face the truth - regardless of how much sympathy they gain among neutral football fans with their bravery and courage, they are much weaker team than Valencia which is one of the best teams in probably the best league in the world. The work of manager Goncharenko and his lads is admirable, but we have to open our eyes for the truth - underestimation by opponents and the role of complete outsider plays very important role in BATE's success. Tonight, they will be deprived by both. Neither will Valencia underestimate them, nor will the Belarussians enjoy the psychological freedom of being considered as a total outsider. It is time BATE get down to earth and I am highly positive that Valencia will do this job.

[altocirrus]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Valencia did not play on Sunday! The game vs Bilbao was on Saturday. Please' date=' check your info b4 making an argument.[/quote'] Well you sound angry or at least upset. It was my mistake; I really thought it was sunday for some reason. But you sure could correct me in more elegant way, couldn't you mister? If PL was a place where mistakes were strictly forbidden, then I would prefer to just be an observer here and wouldn't mind sharing info and thoughts. Thanks. :)

[Fedar]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Well you sound angry or at least upset. It was my mistake; I really thought it was sunday for some reason. But you sure could correct me in more elegant way, couldn't you mister? If PL was a place where mistakes were strictly forbidden, then I would prefer to just be an observer here and wouldn't mind sharing info and thoughts. Thanks. :)

Come on, did I say something offensive or what?! Yes, I did not like the fact that you did not bother to check your facts. People can get very deluded in this way by reading tips with wrong facts. And it is an important thing whether they played on Saturday or Sunday. Of course, in the end, it is everybody's personal responsibility how to bet, but it is not nice to read wrong facts in a reputed forum.

[Simeon Borisof]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Why is it time for BATE to be dealt with? Why does BATE's winning streak must end? It's 11 vs 11 as it was with Lille and Bayern where they were more pragmatic than their opponents. BATE rested the big guns against Slavia Mozyr and still won 2-1. Valencia lost 4/5 games away and I don't see any signs why they should win in Belarus' date=' where it's a very hard place to play.[/quote'] yes it is funny how people ignore their good performance.Come on guys they won in France than beat Bayern scoring 3 again now they host Valencia which is in very bad form when they play away from Mestalla.I think value is in BTS

[Deniz]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

yes it is funny how people ignore their good performance.Come on guys they won in France than beat Bayern scoring 3 again now they host Valencia which is in very bad form when they play away from Mestalla.I think value is in BTS

BATE may lose but this isnot the point. People usually compare teams on paper and around big names of few players.But nowadays reality is revealed and everyone saw football is being played 11 vs 11 :) Physical conditions determination self aware and concentration is all about and if you have few talented players then you can easily deal with stronger teams. In my country once Galatasaray won UEFA Cup. And few other teams which werent exxpected won several times by high effort and team play. The gap between strong teams and others getting closer by others. By using other variables in football. Nowadays only players like Messi or Ronaldo or any other few names make the difference for bigger teams. If you eliminate those names once you will be able to see how hard to win for strong teams against others. Such games we should look for insight view from citizens of those countriies and wish them to write what they know about their teams and how they see this game.

[usun]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) well, as insight from BATE side - they don't have any problems right now and are functionally 100% ready. Due to the later season they might be a bit off peak in comparison to previous ECL game, but they rested key players, they've got amazing coach staff and specialists from Spain to keep phisycal fit. The pitch and weather will be relatively bad and will be demanding for physical conditions, and environment is well familiar to them. What is really a risk for them to underperform is psychology, they are well expreriences squad (5 group stages in eurocup in a row, including 1 EL playoff), but this is a new situation of CL success. I can only hope that good coach will help to clear them minds, but it's a risk. BATE shouldn't show more they showed against Bayern, may be even bit less. It really depends on Valencia performance. As I said, set pieces may be a difference maker here in Valencia favour. BTS looks the best for me also.

[Kisvesza]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Lille-Bayern over 2,5 goals--- 1,72 on bet365 Bayern scored 3 goals in two matches, and conceded four. They want to bounce back after their loss, and they will do it with their greatest asset: attack. I think they will win, but the 1.5 (and now even lower) odds was very thin for me. As for Lille, this might be their last chance to improve. If they lose here, getting through will be nearly impossible for them. So they need to play and win, and to achieve that, score. Sorry for the very minimalistic analysis, but I do not have the time to write more. ;)

[Jase82]

Come on' date=' did I say something offensive or what?! Yes, I did not like the fact that you did not bother to check your facts.[/quote'] Fedar, you're assuming this was the case, when it should be much easier to treat it as an honest mistake :) :ok

[debaser28]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Valencia did not play on Sunday! The game vs Bilbao was on Saturday. Please' date=' check your info b4 making an argument.[/quote'] Get a life FEDAR, quit jumping on him for a simple mistake, you must be down some money..hehe

[Mirage]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) 3/10pts B. Munich (-1 goal) to beat Lille - 6/5 with Paddy Power Bayern need to stamp their authority on this group because last time out they were awful against BATE in a game they were expected to win. They are clear at the top of their league so are in good form and we all know about the firepower they possess. Lille have been inconsistent this season and with 2 defeats so far in this competition, the pressure is on to get a result in this game. Their results haven't inspired confidence and with them conceding goals so often against lesser attacks I can't see them being able to stop Bayern. They're 8 points off the leaders in Ligue 1 and that says a lot about their form. These are nice odds on a comfortable Bayern win.

[notoriouspunter]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Weak away team Valencia at high morale Bate I wouldn never touch espacially at these odds. Also Valencia doesnt need to win here at all. A point at Bate and win at home vs. them and they will be ok with it winning the direct matchup. I rather take the munich away win at handicap -1 and -2. Reason is that Lille isnt working good together at all while munich is playing like a machine in top form. They are very focused to win this game. Lille has so many problems and now their captain and several other defensive players are missing. If they trail then they will be exposed even more on the counter. The right back looks very weak vs Franck Ribery on paper. Ribery is in top form. On the other side the inexperienced left back plays vs. Mueller who is in top form too. Then you have kroos and Mandzukic who both are able to score too. Lille looks not good offensivly as they have players coming back from injury. To take soemthing from this game they need to score goals and Im not sure about that. Munich underestimated Bate which they wont do with lille. They are very focused and had an easy game at the weekend. BAyern munich -1 and -2 with very nice odds.

[RedDevil92]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) .

[Fedar]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Fedar' date=' you're assuming this was the case, when it should be much easier to treat it as an honest mistake :) :ok[/quote'] Jase, I never said it was dishonest mistake and I never even suggested that the guy tried to purportedly delude others. All I am saying is that such mistakes might seriously put people into the wrong direction - for instance, when I first saw this, I was about to give up my bet on Valencia - who will bet for a team that got just two days rest before important CL game?!

[SaltandSauce]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Bayern Munich -1.5 (AH) @ 2 w/ Bet365 Bayern Munch will be looking to rectify their previous Champions League defeat to BATE Borisov by coming out and defeating Lille with a convincing win. Lille has really struggled this season both domestically and in Europe. The french side havel three of their four Champions League games so far. Bayern Munich come into this game from a huge 5-0 win over Fortuna Dusseldorf on Saturday and will look to continue their goal scoring form.

[Jase82]

Jase' date=' I never said it was dishonest mistake and I never even suggested that the guy tried to purportedly delude others. All I am saying is that such mistakes might seriously put people into the wrong direction - for instance, when I first saw this, I was about to give up my bet on Valencia - who will bet for a team that got just two days rest before important CL game?![/quote'] Yeah I understand the point, all we ask for is a bit of civility in demonstrating that point :)

[SgtTr]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille) Lille Bayern asian line under 2.5 @ 1.78 Labrokes. Lille unconvincing at home in their new stadium, with Hazard in London now lost two very good players in two seasons (Gervinho). Bayern will be cautious after their surprise loss against Borisov, they need to improve their away record in Europe, and they won't go gung-ho in attack.

[Kisvesza]

Re: Group F > Oct 23 (BATE, Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille)

Lille-Bayern over 2' date=5 goals--- 1,72 on bet365

bet lost.