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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April I was under the impression Shaktar were an attacking side, with six Brazilians? Their away CL games this season have had scores of 3-0, 1-5, 3-0 and 3-2, so I'm interested to know why some see a tight match? Messi and Xavi had a rest yesterday, which'll help too, from a goals-perspective.


Last edited by Mister P; 03-04-2011 at 20:45. when shakhtar played barca in the super cup after winning the uefa they played a very negative cagey game and lost i think 1-0 to a late goal. Given their strength at home the coach may choose to try to keep it tight and settle for a 1-0 defeat
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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea v Man Utd over 2.5 goals @ 2.30 William Hills I think this price represents great value for the overs on goals, both sides carry a goal threat and both will be missing key defenders in Ferdinand and Luiz. Chelsea will want to go to Old Trafford leading the tie and will know the importance of taking a lead tonight. Man Utd only got a 0-0 last round against Marseille and it nearly cost them in the end. I dont think they will be wanting to risk that against a better Chelsea side and will go looking for goals tonight. Only last month we saw a good open game between these sides producing 3 goals. I know this is a two leg tie and wont be decided tonight but I dont really see any reason why this match should be much difference. I fancy goals in this game and am more that happy to play at this price. GL to ALL

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea - Manchester United Pick: Draw Probable starting eleven: Chelsea: Cech; Bosingwa, Ivanovic, Terry, Cole; Ramires, Essien, Lampard, Malouda; Anelka, Torres. Manchester Utd: Van der Sar; Fabio, Smalling, Vidic, Evra; Valencia, Carrick, Scholes, Nani; Rooney; Hernandez. There is a big rivalry between Chelsea and Manchester United. In fact they are the best teams in England in the last six seasons as both won three Premier Leagues trophies. Speaking of tonight's game, I expect a draw. This is only the first leg and I don't think Ancelotii and Ferguson will risk too much. You saw yesterday, the current European champion Inter lost 5:2 at home from Schalke. I am sure both teams will try not to receive goal here. Ferguson will probably play carefully, like in the previous round, when Manchester United was playing against French Olympic Marseille. The result in the first leg played in France was 0:0. Ferguson will repeat the same tactic here. Both managers have no new injury worries. Ancelotti will be without David Luiz (cup-tied), Yossi Benayoun and Alex. The last two already have started with the trainings, but it is too early for them. Ferguson will be without Darren Fletcher, while John O'Shea and Wes Brown are doubtful. Once again I will repeat that I am expecting a tight game at Stamford Bridge. Both teams will not risk too much and that is why I believe the draw is very possible.

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Barcelona-Shaktar Barca, strong favorites this year with better squad than last year, against Shaktar, never been this far before..Barca is still without Puyol, but Busquets have been really good in his position and they have Masche covering his midfield spot. When Shaktar has the 2nd game in their stadium where they have never lost since it opened in 2009 means Barcelona has to secure a good win tonight, with a couple of goals probably. Im thinking they want to avoid the 2nd half nervousness and attack from the start to have a slight edge already in the 1st half. Valdes-Alves,Pique,Busq,Adriano-Xavi,Masche,Iniesta-Pedro,Messi,Villa is predicted lineup. Chelsea-ManU Very close match, really hard to predict, both teams know eachothers strengths and weaknesses from the players to coaches, but ManU having the edge in current form, but Carletto owning Ferguson in h2h. For Ferguson is important not to concede and finish the game in OT, will lineup 4-5-1 wich is his preferred lineup in CL anyway.. I took a combo bet with Barca leading and Chelsea-ManU being a draw in HT. HT : Barca 1.575 & Chelsea-ManU X 2.09 = 3.29 @ Pinnacle (5pts) :hope

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Chelsea v Man United - Chelsea -2 Corners @ 11/10 - William Hill 7.5pts Tough game to call, and with the Champions League being so unpredictable, I am going to delve into the corner markets once again. Chelsea's dominance in home matches is superb, keeping the ball for long periods and generally winning several corners with the way they are set up. Obviously against poorer opposition but they dominate the corner count in games played at the Bridge; Chelsea 11-3 Copenhagen and Chelsea 12-1 MSK Zilina. Ferguson has said he is going to attack, like Redknapp, so expect a counter type tactic tomorrow night. Believe it or not, United don't force that many corners. You would think with the pace of Nani and Valencia on the flanks that they would but they've lost against two very good corner count specialists in the Champions League already; Marseille 5-2 Man United and Valencia 6-3 Man United. I do think this line is set a little too high considering Bet365 have this priced up at 20/21 and they are good judges of this market. Chelsea won 10 to 2 on corners in the Premier League at the Bridge.
hmmmm, this is a tough one for me. Comparing games against other sides that Chelsea have competed against is not particularly relevant resally because the circumstances are totally different. Chelsea beat this corner handicap in the previous meeting between these two sides because United were one up for a decent amount of time. I think it's well worth looking at the corner stats for previous head to head results to gain a decent comparison of similar scenarios, as a lot of these bets are reliant on much more information than stats. You need to look at trying to guage how the game may go, and who will do more attacking. Personally I think this could be an underish type of game, with neither side really being too put off with a draw.
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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea v Manchester United UNDER 2.5 goals @ 1.67 - Betfair. Chelsea v Manchester United No goal before 33:00 @ 1.83 - BET365. Although the odds aren't great at first glance, I can see a slight tinge of value. I really think this will be a very tight contest, with neither side really willing to give too much away in the first leg. I think Chelsea will be fairly happy if they get a draw out of the first leg. Because this is an all English tie, they can go to Old Trafford quite confident that they can score at least once. Similarly, I can't see there being an early goal as neither side is likely to want to give too much away early on. This is a two leg affair, so it won't hold the same structure as a league fixture.

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hmmmm, this is a tough one for me. Comparing games against other sides that Chelsea have competed against is not particularly relevant resally because the circumstances are totally different. Chelsea beat this corner handicap in the previous meeting between these two sides because United were one up for a decent amount of time. I think it's well worth looking at the corner stats for previous head to head results to gain a decent comparison of similar scenarios, as a lot of these bets are reliant on much more information than stats. You need to look at trying to guage how the game may go, and who will do more attacking. Personally I think this could be an underish type of game, with neither side really being too put off with a draw.
I see where you are coming from but I don't think Chelsea will want to take a draw to Old Trafford whereas Ferguson would love that result. If the game does become an underish game I think United will be happy for Chelsea to have the ball. The Copenhagen was a dead rubber and they managed to rack up 13 corners, that's all I was trying to say. They do force corners so I am happy to stick by it. Good luck :ok
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Chelsea v Manchester United UNDER 2.5 goals @ 1.67 - Betfair. Chelsea v Manchester United No goal before 33:00 @ 1.83 - BET365. Although the odds aren't great at first glance, I can see a slight tinge of value. I really think this will be a very tight contest, with neither side really willing to give too much away in the first leg. I think Chelsea will be fairly happy if they get a draw out of the first leg. Because this is an all English tie, they can go to Old Trafford quite confident that they can score at least once. Similarly, I can't see there being an early goal as neither side is likely to want to give too much away early on. This is a two leg affair, so it won't hold the same structure as a league fixture.
Good reasoning. Will follow you on one of the selections with medium stakes. Chelsea - Man.United: No goal before 33:00 @ 1.83 Bet365
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Chelsea v Manchester United UNDER 2.5 goals @ 1.67 - Betfair. Chelsea v Manchester United No goal before 33:00 @ 1.83 - BET365. Although the odds aren't great at first glance, I can see a slight tinge of value. I really think this will be a very tight contest, with neither side really willing to give too much away in the first leg. I think Chelsea will be fairly happy if they get a draw out of the first leg. Because this is an all English tie, they can go to Old Trafford quite confident that they can score at least once. Similarly, I can't see there being an early goal as neither side is likely to want to give too much away early on. This is a two leg affair, so it won't hold the same structure as a league fixture.
I agree with you Jase but I have a sneeky feeling at home, Chelsea will grab a late winner so I will be backing; Chelsea @ 2.1 - Betfair Under 2.5 goals @ 1.69 - Betfair Does anyone know a site which offers a market for late goals? Cheers.
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Chelsea v Manchester United UNDER 2.5 goals @ 1.67 - Betfair. Chelsea v Manchester United No goal before 33:00 @ 1.83 - BET365. Because this is an all English tie, they can go to Old Trafford quite confident that they can score at least once.
Just interested in your reasoning behind this statement. Why does the fact it’s an all English tie mean they will be quite confident that they can score at least once? If this is correct does that not also work the other way and Man Utd will go tonight confident that they can score at least once?
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hmmmm, this is a tough one for me. Comparing games against other sides that Chelsea have competed against is not particularly relevant resally because the circumstances are totally different. Chelsea beat this corner handicap in the previous meeting between these two sides because United were one up for a decent amount of time. I think it's well worth looking at the corner stats for previous head to head results to gain a decent comparison of similar scenarios, as a lot of these bets are reliant on much more information than stats. You need to look at trying to guage how the game may go, and who will do more attacking. Personally I think this could be an underish type of game, with neither side really being too put off with a draw.
I agree that the team that attacks more often get the most amount of corners, but because of the away goal rule even if United will find themselves goal down I dont think they will attack or control the game more than chelsea who will obviously look to win in their home stadium. I got stats about corners in the premier league and Chelsea got more corners then their opponents in 80% of their games, while United did so only 50% of the matches in away games betting on chelsea without the -2 handicap seems quite good to me
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I agree with you Jase but I have a sneeky feeling at home, Chelsea will grab a late winner so I will be backing; Chelsea @ 2.1 - Betfair Under 2.5 goals @ 1.69 - Betfair Does anyone know a site which offers a market for late goals? Cheers.
William Hill offers "Time of goal" markets, which includes late goals as well.
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Just interested in your reasoning behind this statement. Why does the fact it’s an all English tie mean they will be quite confident that they can score at least once? If this is correct does that not also work the other way and Man Utd will go tonight confident that they can score at least once?
Because it'll be played to a very familiar style of play, and Chelsea know they can beat United home or away. Both sides are extremely familiar with eachother. Of course United will be confident of scoring tonight, but at the same time conceding a first leg deficit isn't ideal for United. All the talk from Fergie has been about getting an away goal, but I'm not so sure it'll be that easy to put that into reality, and the first leg could turn into a bit of a cagey affair.
I agree that the team that attacks more often get the most amount of corners, but because of the away goal rule even if United will find themselves goal down I dont think they will attack or control the game more than chelsea who will obviously look to win in their home stadium. I got stats about corners in the premier league and Chelsea got more corners then their opponents in 80% of their games, while United did so only 50% of the matches in away games betting on chelsea without the -2 handicap seems quite good to me
Yeah, but you have to put that 80% into context......they are more likely to rack up a huge corner count against the Blackpool's and Stoke's of the league. A lot of sides have been opening up against United away this season, playing more attacking football, but again, playing those sort of sides away will produce different corner counts. I'm not saying they won't beat that handicap, just that it's a tough one because there's not a lot that's really tangible to go on. If I had Excel available, I would look at the corner stats for games that were played between these two, which finished 0-0, 1-1 etc and compare to how the corner stats finished in games where there was a higher score, or one side had to chase the game.
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Because it'll be played at to a very familiar style of play' date=' and Chelsea know they can beat United home or away. [b']Both sides are extremely familiar with eachother. Of course United will be confident of scoring tonight, but at the same time conceding a first leg deficit isn't ideal for United. All the talk from Fergie has been about getting an away goal, but I'm not so sure it'll be that easy to put that into reality, and the first leg could turn into a bit of a cagey affair.
Fair enough. I do agree with your reasoning to a point but I think this is a reason to go the other way and see the value in overs. Based on the familiarity of the two sides with each other, I'm expecting a more English style affair with both teams going for goals. While I dont expect either side to go gung ho from the off. I do expect United to push on for the away goal and likewise I think Chelsea will be desperate for a lead to take to Old Trafford. Although judging by most of the posts I am in the minority in this view, but I have put my money down and will take my chance on the overs.:ok
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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April The difficulty with Barcelona matches at the Nou Camp is trying to second guess how the opponents are going to approach the game. If they come and park the bus, it can quite often be a frustrating 1 or 2v0 finish. If the opponents attack, Barca have more than enough to punish them with 3-5 goals. Other than adding Barca into an accumulator, possibly -1 handicap, the odds aren't that attractive to me so will probably just sit back and enjoy this game, as I haven't got much of a clue about Shakhtar other than they got tonked by Arsenal at the Emirates. As for Chelsea/Man Utd, 27/20 on over 2.5 is most likely going to be my choice. United will want an away goal, possibly leaving Chelsea with a chance to counter attack. Neither defence is at 100% their preferred line up, so I think there is the potential for goals. Good luck to all.

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Fair enough. I do agree with your reasoning to a point but I think this is a reason to go the other way and see the value in overs. Based on the familiarity of the two sides with each other, I'm expecting a more English style affair with both teams going for goals. While I dont expect either side to go gung ho from the off. I do expect United to push on for the away goal and likewise I think Chelsea will be desperate for a lead to take to Old Trafford. Although judging by most of the posts I am in the minority in this view, but I have put my money down and will take my chance on the overs.:ok
I agree. Lets be honest this is a bitch of a match to call, none of the three possible outcomes would be surprising and I wouldn't recommend anyone puts much on it, I'm going for some small stakes to make it a bit more interesting. I don't see much value in 1.6 for under 2.5 although if I looked at the match now I would say this is a more likely outcome, but the price is too short. I can't remember who it was yesterday but someone posted quite late on in the day about previous quarter finals in the CL 3 out of 4 last season went over and even though most people fancied unders last night we had two high scoring games. You would expect Barca match to go over so maybe this is the one to go unders, I won't be backing it at 1.6 thats for sure, will be joining you for a bit of overs at 2.4 from betchronicle :ok
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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Barcelona - Shaktar Donetsk over 3.5 @ 2.68 pinnacle Barcelona will be looking for a sizeable lead going into the second leg in the Ukraine, as they have had problems in the past when they have had to play Rubin Kazan in Russia, that they are not comfortable traveling that far east to play a game. So expect them to go on the hunt for goals, and they definately have the players to do it, and as an added incentive, after seeing Real Madrid score 4 yesterday, their ego, and mutual dislike for each other, may spur them on try to at least match if not better the amount of goals scored. Shaktar did get beaten 5-1 to Arsenal in London where they faced a similar attacking side, as well as beating Roma 3-2 on the road. Other road games saw them win 3-0 at both Partizan and Sporting Braga, so while they do have goals in them, they can concede, especially against the better sides like Barcelona. They have little to lose, as they are not expected to win, and playing their usual attacking nature will take it to them, and create an open game, which is likely to see some goals in it. Chelsea - Man Utd over 2.5 @ 2.42 pinnacle Chelsea will be favoured given Man Utd's poor away form, but prefer the odds on the over as believe this will be an open game. Chelsea will likely start Torres, and though he has struggled to score, he tends to do well against Vidic, as he has when he played for Liverpool, so would not be surprised to see him start, and even score here. Ferdinand may play, but he will not be 100% which will allow the likes of Drogba to use his brute force to take advantage of this, while there has been question marks about the performance of the Man Utd central midfield in dominating games, as they have not been as commanding as they have in previous seasons. Can see Chelsa dominating the middle of the park and supplying the service for their forwards to score. As for Man Utd, like the game on the weekend with West Ham, they showed that they cannot be discounted when they are losing. Rooney was very good, while they have penetration down the flanks with Valencia and Nani. Terry and Bosingwa are not as quick as they used to be, while the absence of Luiz takes away some of the stability they have had in recent weeks. Think that Man Utd have the three up front to cause them problems, and can both teams scoring as they have gone over in 5 of their last 6 meetings in all competitions. Also Man Utd have gone over in 7 of their last 8 away games in the EPL, so there are reasons to suggest that this continue here.

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April

Chelsea2Man City0FT
David Luiz 78

Ramires 90
Chelsea2Man Utd1FT
David Luiz 54

Lampard pen 80

Chelsea2Blackburn0FT
Ivanovic 57

Anelka 76

Rooney 29

I will be dutching HT/FT;
Draw/Chelsea & Man U/Chelsea In the last 4 premier league games at Stamford bridge, 3 have been 1 of the 2 selections above and although this is a champions league game, I think it can be treated like a PL game. Dave.
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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea-Manchester United This one is for me something great matchup with great odds.Odds for unders are wrong in my eyes,.Both teams have weak defenses with Chelsea being without David Luiz,their best defender at the moment,while Alex and Benayoun are not fit yet. United also misses a few defenders but Ferdinand,Evans,Rafael and Anderson are back.But their are doubt over van der Sar so we have to look.Offense is top. both to score @1,90 7pts GL:hope

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The difficulty with Barcelona matches at the Nou Camp is trying to second guess how the opponents are going to approach the game. If they come and park the bus, it can quite often be a frustrating 1 or 2v0 finish. If the opponents attack, Barca have more than enough to punish them with 3-5 goals. Other than adding Barca into an accumulator, possibly -1 handicap, the odds aren't that attractive to me so will probably just sit back and enjoy this game, as I haven't got much of a clue about Shakhtar other than they got tonked by Arsenal at the Emirates. As for Chelsea/Man Utd, 27/20 on over 2.5 is most likely going to be my choice. United will want an away goal, possibly leaving Chelsea with a chance to counter attack. Neither defence is at 100% their preferred line up, so I think there is the potential for goals. Good luck to all.
Shakhtar are a good side but they are not in Barca's class, their flair players have good technique but I'm not sure they will see enough of the ball to make use of it, but they will certainly be dangerous on the break. They have only played a handful of competitive games since their winter break (which could be viewed as a help or hindrance I guess) and Barca have started rotating players a bit, resting a few at the weekend and this will only continue now I guess as the league is sewn up. Chygrynskiy has a knock on his ankle and didn't play on Friday which would leave Shakhtar short of a fair bit of experience at centre back, having been at Barca he knows a fair bit about how they play and in my eyes would be an important miss, imagine they will do everything possible to get him playing, Eduardo is also doubtful. Fernandinho made his long awaited return on Fri after a fair few months out with a broken leg (I think?) but wouldn't have thought he would be considered for this game.. Its a game Barca must win imo because of Shakhtar's home record and I think they will. Messi hasn't scored in 4 games now which is a severe drought for him! Villa is struggling in front of goal currently but Pedro will be back and he has a very good scoring record so far this season. Puyol will be back for the return leg but Pique will prob line up alongside Busquets for this one. Shakhtar will have to be disciplined and the backbone of the side is set up to do this, the eastern European grind and the Brazilian flair in front of it. It might take a bit of time for Barca to get through but as I said I think they should be looking at 2 or 3 goals if they play to their optimum, I wouldn't rule out a Shakhtar goal on the break though and will be looking at goals and correct scores in this one. I will only be going for low stakes on this one, on the following: Over 3 Goals - 2.05 (bet365) 3/10 3-0 - 7.2 3-1 - 12 Messi 1st Goalscorer -3.6 (betchronicle) 1/10 all
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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April I believe Eduardo will play, Hastgill. Can't help but feel Shaktar may surprise here, and go for it. Looking at their away results thus far, they don't strike me as the kind of team to play for a 0-0: Braga 3-0 Arsenal 1-5 Partizan 3-0 Roma 3-2 Slight doubts over Messi's fitness, and Barca's form. Thing with Barca, as great as they are, if you get at them, we all know they can be unsettled. I think this is a good shout, but I'll probably do what I do sometimes, and watch the first ten minutes, to see if that indicates how things may go. Both to score @ 2.37 (Bet365) And, for fun: Shaktar to repeat their 3-2 win @ 101.00 :)

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea v Man United - over 2.5 goals @ 2.48 with Betfair I think there's value in these odds. Of course, it could turn out to be a tight affair with neither side prepared to risk too much ahead of the 2nd leg, but there are some reasons to think it could go the other way as well. Firstly, there's the United defence. I've been impressed with Smalling during his run in the side, but his partnership with Vidic is still in its early days and on occasion that's led to some uncharacteristic mistakes. At times in the 1st half against West Ham, the defending bordered on the shambolic, and it was the same story at Anfield last month as well. There are suggestions that Ferdinand may make a surprise start at Smalling's expense tonight, but you have to wonder how match-fit he'll be without even a substitute appearance to get him up to pace. The other consideration is how the 2 managers will play it. I think Ancelotti must realise that Chelsea need to go to Old Trafford with a lead to defend if at all possible. A draw or even a narrow defeat might not be the end of the world, but with United's form at Old Trafford this season, Chelsea's best chance of winning this tie is to get a result at the Bridge. As for Fergie, it's harder to say. He's played it pretty tight away from home in Europe in recent seasons, but played a very open game in the league fixture last month. I don't think he'll want Chelsea to go to Old Trafford with a lead to protect, so if United do drop behind at any stage, I'd expect him to go all out for an away goal at least. Now, these are just some reasons why I think it could be an open game tonight, but I concede it's entirely possible we'll see a sterile goalless draw instead. However, at these odds, I think it's a decent play to have a dabble on the overs and hope for a rousing 3-0 home win. ;)

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea v Man. United. Both teams to score - yes. 2.10 @ William Hill 2.10 for both teams to score represents massive value in my opinion, neither team can be proudof the way it defends at the moment. Ferguson has already come out and said that his team will go for away goals in this one, so no dull affair today. I think United can score for sure with Rooney being in great form and Chicharito is very reliable as well. As for Chelsea, they should be good as well, United have got terrible defense, Vidis most likely will be sent off again or will give away silly penalty so there will be chances. How about Lamps scoring from the spot in his 500th match for Chelsea? Barca v Shakhtar. Over 3 goals. 2.06 @ Pinnacle This one surely has to have at least three goals. We know very well about Barca, what this team can do. Messi is reportedly feeling well and ready to go. Shakhtar has got lots of Brazilians in their teams which is set up to attack and plays very good on counters. I think this match has every chances to be high scoring one and 3 goals is a minimum target in my opinion. They have played two times at Camp Nou previously in Champions league and it was overs both times. Barca won 3-0 and lost 2-3.

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Barca - Shakhtar Think I'll have a bet on cards here, specifically player cards. There's been 21 yellows (but no reds) in the last 3 meetings so obviously there seems to be a few 'issues' between these 2 in recent meetings. Srna has picked up a yellow in 2 of the last 3 encounters and when you consider he'll be facing diagonal runs and all the tricks from Adriano, Villa, Iniesta on the right/centre (and probably from the other 'magnificent munchkins' ;) at some stage too), he's likely to face disciplinary action Dario Srna to be shown a card @ 2.9 Betfair

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea v Man Utd Torres anytime scorer. Recon this is the right match for El Nino to start his scoring that we all know he is capable of doing. Vidic always gets carded when playing against him. The 50,000,000 player got to do it soon, and I recon tonight is the night.

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Re: UEFA Champions League > Wednesday 6 April Chelsea v Man Utd Man Utd @ 5/2 (William Hill) I think at these odds, its worth a go! Man Utd will be well aware of what happenned at Stamford Bridge a few weeks ago, however Fergie has said in the press in the last couple of days that he will be pushing his team to go out and get the away goal as he feels that at Old Trafford Man Utd will be too strong and I agree. Man Utd will be fired up off the back of the big comeback against West Ham and to beat Chelsea away would certainly be the biggest victory of the season so far. I've covered this with.................. vvvvv Barcelona v Shaktar Donetsk Over 45 Booking Points @ 21/20 (William Hill) The odds seem to be coming down for this. I just see this being an action packed affair. If Shaktar get an away goal, they will sit back and Barca at home against a team sitting back equals lots of sliding tackles usually trying to intercept those quick one-twos. Alternatively, if Barca get a couple of goals in then the game will open up considerably with Shaktar taking the chances and the likes of Pique getting stuck in. :hope

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