richard-westwood

Yeah ....I'ts risky .this one ....really needs rain to stay away or at least no worse than good sft ...currently good with possible up to 13mm if the rain hits but they it. Could miss ...and they may decide to go for the group race but he'd be a 20/1+ outsider for that race so I don't see why it would .....if goes for this race and the the ground is no worse than good sft then I think it wins and probably easy so his price would look silly ...but if the ground goes soft I'd probably cash out or lay out for the smAllest loss ......but looks exciting bet on paper 

Just a quick one ....I've started typing the weekend racing in and first race to finish was the 225 hay ....computer had one horse quite a bit clear of rest and I thought what crappy price am I gonna get on this ...expecting 9/4 .....and it's 12/1 willh !!.....I'll try 10pt Ew at that value price ... Davina grace .....I think might have double entry though .....this looks the stronger chance but you never know ...the other race is a group 3 ...I think thats stretching it 

Definitely highlites value bets ....some big prices were available early on ambient ....and sqyedati was arguable a value bet too with five places ....way overpriced ....and it creates a lot of interest ...I've really enjoyed it and thoroughly worth the effort .....I've no doubt it will throw up big Ew in the future .....we should do it more often ...(One big race every weekend 🫣🫣🫣🫣) Hehe 😆 

There's 1700 views ....that's not just us 4 surely 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just a quick one ....I've started typing the weekend racing in and first race to finish was the 225 hay ....computer had one horse quite a bit clear of rest and I thought what crappy price am I gonna get on this ...expecting 9/4 .....and it's 12/1 willh !!.....I'll try 10pt Ew at that value price ... Davina grace .....I think might have double entry though .....this looks the stronger chance but you never know ...the other race is a group 3 ...I think thats stretching it 

There's 1700 views ....that's not just us 4 surely 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Definitely highlites value bets ....some big prices were available early on ambient ....and sqyedati was arguable a value bet too with five places ....way overpriced ....and it creates a lot of interest ...I've really enjoyed it and thoroughly worth the effort .....I've no doubt it will throw up big Ew in the future .....we should do it more often ...(One big race every weekend 🫣🫣🫣🫣) Hehe 😆 

I think anyone interested in form, speed ratings and other ratings should spend some time studying many of the points raised in the earlier discussion on this thread.
 

I've certainly learnt a fair bit and the strength of Ambiente Friendly between us was very encouraging even though it didn't quite work out.

There's 1700 views ....that's not just us 4 surely 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

There's 1700 views ....that's not just us 4 surely 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Definitely highlites value bets ....some big prices were available early on ambient ....and sqyedati was arguable a value bet too with five places ....way overpriced ....and it creates a lot of interest ...I've really enjoyed it and thoroughly worth the effort .....I've no doubt it will throw up big Ew in the future .....we should do it more often ...(One big race every weekend 🫣🫣🫣🫣) Hehe 😆 

Definitely highlites value bets ....some big prices were available early on ambient ....and sqyedati was arguable a value bet too with five places ....way overpriced ....and it creates a lot of interest ...I've really enjoyed it and thoroughly worth the effort .....I've no doubt it will throw up big Ew in the future .....we should do it more often ...(One big race every weekend 🫣🫣🫣🫣) Hehe 😆 

Definitely highlites value bets ....some big prices were available early on ambient ....and sqyedati was arguable a value bet too with five places ....way overpriced ....and it creates a lot of interest ...I've really enjoyed it and thoroughly worth the effort .....I've no doubt it will throw up big Ew in the future .....we should do it more often ...(One big race every weekend 🫣🫣🫣🫣) Hehe 😆 

Before carrying on with this conversation i would urge all involved to go to RP search and type in Quito, have a look at its results and see if you can glean anything from those. From my perspective reading the above- My initial impression is that the pedantic is nearer the mark specifically on speed than either Rainman or the chef 😁 but we must remember that no one is wrong if their methodology works ie makes a profit.
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Yes they'd be equal of course ....but the standard time for class 1 would be 100 and Usain ran that giving a speed rating of 100.....but the standard time for class 3 would be around say 80(11 secs)  .....and you ran 1.2 secs faster giving you a speed rating of 100 !!... Which yes of course now means you can compete against the best .....speed ratings in it's best essence (Including class ..lol 😆)
And the importance of that is ......you cannot produce a going allowance and adjust the time ran  accordingly unless you know the par for that individual class ..... ..you can't do it 

Yes they'd be equal of course ....but the standard time for class 1 would be 100 and Usain ran that giving a speed rating of 100.....but the standard time for class 3 would be around say 80(11 secs)  .....and you ran 1.2 secs faster giving you a speed rating of 100 !!... Which yes of course now means you can compete against the best .....speed ratings in it's best essence (Including class ..lol 😆)
And the importance of that is ......you cannot produce a going allowance and adjust the time ran  accordingly unless you know the par for that individual class ..... ..you can't do it 

Yes they'd be equal of course ....but the standard time for class 1 would be 100 and Usain ran that giving a speed rating of 100.....but the standard time for class 3 would be around say 80(11 secs)  .....and you ran 1.2 secs faster giving you a speed rating of 100 !!... Which yes of course now means you can compete against the best .....speed ratings in it's best essence (Including class ..lol 😆)
And the importance of that is ......you cannot produce a going allowance and adjust the time ran  accordingly unless you know the par for that individual class ..... ..you can't do it 

The analogy I always use is an athletics track .....imagine a class 1 meeting over 100m..has Usain bolts etc ....the average time will be 9.8 secs .....that's the standard time ....but if you run for say Swindon and you run at the same stadium .. same distance but your meeting class is saying class 3 .....your runners average time for 100m will be say 11.00 secs .....that's your standard time ...so class has a big effect on time 

Then maybe it's the going allowance ????....I'm just rough guessing here I estimated the class 2 to be run around -1.00 on good and the oaks and derby at the standard .....that puts an estimation of the going allowance somewhere between 0.463 and 0.538 secs per furlong ??....is your going allowance in this window ???
I'm not criticising btw ....I really want you to succeed at your endeavour 

I've just been patiently watching the ground from the side lines ......it went soft which went in favour of the o brien horse in the oaks but has missed the rain so steadily dried to good sft ...bordering good if rain stays away  .......backed the first and 2nd rated in the oaks so that returned a winner and I had been put off ambient friendly because of ground but that's changed now so it's top two again now and I've totally ruled out city of Troy after the o brien debacle so it's  (ambient friendly and ancient )....no point ruining a good formula ...cmon the beauts !
Looking back at the results there's been so many times when the winner has come from top two rated regardless so for the rest of summer that's the rule and cross doubles on all races .(Also done on these races )...I might even carry over a small portion of any winnings to the following weekends top 2 on top of my normal stakes to boost potential winnings until about September when the form starts to lessen ....now til sept have been most profitable historically .....and it's a good way to get involved in these top races without ...over thinking 🤔 it lol 

That can't be right ???.....surely the standard time for derby/arc should be around +1.00 over the standard time .....the oaks around standard time ....on good ground .......Luxembourg ran .6.92 over same course dist going .....giving a topsoeed of around 95 ....just under the 100 standard. . .ezriyah ran .06 faster which for a female is well above average giving a topsoeed around 103 or better as she was going away in a canter  ... The figures should be around that ???
Off the top of my head it sounds like your standards are quite a bit out 
Some standards are out but the derby and oaks ones are very very close on the r.p 
If your rating ezriyah at 85 then your rating Luxembourg around 82 ??...that just seems a bit too low ???

I've just been patiently watching the ground from the side lines ......it went soft which went in favour of the o brien horse in the oaks but has missed the rain so steadily dried to good sft ...bordering good if rain stays away  .......backed the first and 2nd rated in the oaks so that returned a winner and I had been put off ambient friendly because of ground but that's changed now so it's top two again now and I've totally ruled out city of Troy after the o brien debacle so it's  (ambient friendly and ancient )....no point ruining a good formula ...cmon the beauts !
Looking back at the results there's been so many times when the winner has come from top two rated regardless so for the rest of summer that's the rule and cross doubles on all races .(Also done on these races )...I might even carry over a small portion of any winnings to the following weekends top 2 on top of my normal stakes to boost potential winnings until about September when the form starts to lessen ....now til sept have been most profitable historically .....and it's a good way to get involved in these top races without ...over thinking 🤔 it lol 

I've just been patiently watching the ground from the side lines ......it went soft which went in favour of the o brien horse in the oaks but has missed the rain so steadily dried to good sft ...bordering good if rain stays away  .......backed the first and 2nd rated in the oaks so that returned a winner and I had been put off ambient friendly because of ground but that's changed now so it's top two again now and I've totally ruled out city of Troy after the o brien debacle so it's  (ambient friendly and ancient )....no point ruining a good formula ...cmon the beauts !
Looking back at the results there's been so many times when the winner has come from top two rated regardless so for the rest of summer that's the rule and cross doubles on all races .(Also done on these races )...I might even carry over a small portion of any winnings to the following weekends top 2 on top of my normal stakes to boost potential winnings until about September when the form starts to lessen ....now til sept have been most profitable historically .....and it's a good way to get involved in these top races without ...over thinking 🤔 it lol 

I've just been patiently watching the ground from the side lines ......it went soft which went in favour of the o brien horse in the oaks but has missed the rain so steadily dried to good sft ...bordering good if rain stays away  .......backed the first and 2nd rated in the oaks so that returned a winner and I had been put off ambient friendly because of ground but that's changed now so it's top two again now and I've totally ruled out city of Troy after the o brien debacle so it's  (ambient friendly and ancient )....no point ruining a good formula ...cmon the beauts !
Looking back at the results there's been so many times when the winner has come from top two rated regardless so for the rest of summer that's the rule and cross doubles on all races .(Also done on these races )...I might even carry over a small portion of any winnings to the following weekends top 2 on top of my normal stakes to boost potential winnings until about September when the form starts to lessen ....now til sept have been most profitable historically .....and it's a good way to get involved in these top races without ...over thinking 🤔 it lol