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More Buck's and Go On Chez both run at Cartmel tomorrow in the 4.35 and 5.15. Clearly More Buck's isn't going to be the sort of price he was last time, but this does look the perfect chance for him to get his head in front. He was superb at Market Rasen when enjoying himself out in front compared to Stratford when he couldn't make the running. The only concern I have about the race is if Full Spes decides to go off at a fast pace as he has done the last twice. Hopefully connections will change his running style though because he has been beaten easily both times and he steps up in trip so if he goes off that quick he has no chance. Ardera Cross can front run, but he's also stepping up in trip so I can't see him wanting to go off that fast. As long as Full Spes doesn't go blasting off in front though I don't think they will see which way More Buck's goes.    More Buck's @ 6/4 with Bet365 and William Hill   Go On Chez only has Breaking The Ice to beat in my view. Go On Chez has been put up 11lbs after his Uttoxeter win, but I think that is deserved as he did it really well and the front two were well clear of the rest. He has had a win op since then as well. Breaking The Ice is a course and distance winner and he's on a hat-trick after winning at Perth after that. I wouldn't put you off having a small saver on him, but I certainly think there is more to come from Go On Chez.   Go On Chez @ 4/1 with Bet365

More Buck's and Go On Chez both run at Cartmel tomorrow in the 4.35 and 5.15. Clearly More Buck's isn't going to be the sort of price he was last time, but this does look the perfect chance for him to get his head in front. He was superb at Market Rasen when enjoying himself out in front compared to Stratford when he couldn't make the running. The only concern I have about the race is if Full Spes decides to go off at a fast pace as he has done the last twice. Hopefully connections will change his running style though because he has been beaten easily both times and he steps up in trip so if he goes off that quick he has no chance. Ardera Cross can front run, but he's also stepping up in trip so I can't see him wanting to go off that fast. As long as Full Spes doesn't go blasting off in front though I don't think they will see which way More Buck's goes.    More Buck's @ 6/4 with Bet365 and William Hill   Go On Chez only has Breaking The Ice to beat in my view. Go On Chez has been put up 11lbs after his Uttoxeter win, but I think that is deserved as he did it really well and the front two were well clear of the rest. He has had a win op since then as well. Breaking The Ice is a course and distance winner and he's on a hat-trick after winning at Perth after that. I wouldn't put you off having a small saver on him, but I certainly think there is more to come from Go On Chez.   Go On Chez @ 4/1 with Bet365

More Buck's and Go On Chez both run at Cartmel tomorrow in the 4.35 and 5.15. Clearly More Buck's isn't going to be the sort of price he was last time, but this does look the perfect chance for him to get his head in front. He was superb at Market Rasen when enjoying himself out in front compared to Stratford when he couldn't make the running. The only concern I have about the race is if Full Spes decides to go off at a fast pace as he has done the last twice. Hopefully connections will change his running style though because he has been beaten easily both times and he steps up in trip so if he goes off that quick he has no chance. Ardera Cross can front run, but he's also stepping up in trip so I can't see him wanting to go off that fast. As long as Full Spes doesn't go blasting off in front though I don't think they will see which way More Buck's goes.    More Buck's @ 6/4 with Bet365 and William Hill   Go On Chez only has Breaking The Ice to beat in my view. Go On Chez has been put up 11lbs after his Uttoxeter win, but I think that is deserved as he did it really well and the front two were well clear of the rest. He has had a win op since then as well. Breaking The Ice is a course and distance winner and he's on a hat-trick after winning at Perth after that. I wouldn't put you off having a small saver on him, but I certainly think there is more to come from Go On Chez.   Go On Chez @ 4/1 with Bet365

We reach the end of the Victorian jumping season tomorrow at Ballarat with an all jumps card which ends with the Grand National Steeplechase.
Race 1 (4am) I think this is likely to go to one of the hurdling newcomers as although some of those with hurdling experience have placed form most of them are fairly exposed now and we have some useful flat horses making their hurdles debut here. The one excpetion would be So Able who I thought ran well enough last time in a decent enough race and I wouldn't rule him out here. I don't really understand why Tolemac is much bigger than Upswing in the betting given Tolemac looked a lot better when they trialled last time in the same race. Tolemac jumped well and won and Upswing looked very novicey and was only 4th. Both have been running well at a fair level on the fat although Tolemac has been in the higher quality races. Raise You Ten is the favourite and he impressed in his trial when beating Norway albeit both weren't over extended. He's been running well on the flat and was 2nd at Sandown when Upswing was 3rd last month. I couldn't put anyone off backing him, but Tolemac looks the value to me.   Tolemac 1pt @ 6/1 with Betfred   Race 2 (4.40am) You wouldn't think at the end of the season you would get two decent looking maidens but the two here look some of the better ones we have seen this season. Heberite and Sir Aglovale are respected on debut given their connections. Zedstar deserves to win, but he put in his worst performance of the season last time finishing a 20L 3rd after finishing 2nd on his first 4 hurdles starts. He was 9L behind Onset and that one bounced back after not running so well the previous week. He has e/w claims. The selection though is Mount Stewart who won a Newcastle bumper last November. That form has worked out pretty well as well with the 2nd winning 4 times over hurdles and is now rated 139 after finishing 3rd in the Scottish Champion Hurdle last time. He's done well in Australia winning two hurdle trials before beating Cracksman (the Australian version) in a BM78 earlier in the month. Although jumps horses have gone from here to Oz I have yet to come across one who is so unexposed and he could be an exciting horse under both codes.   Mount Stewart 2pts @ 11/10 with Bet365   Race 3 (5.20am) I like Roland Garros here. He disappointed at Sale on hurdles debut, but was a different horse last time as he bolted up beating Onset by 11L. Front running tactics worked a treat and no doubt he will be going on with it again here. His winning time was 9 seconds quicker than Cernan's who won the same card albeit his final 600m was just over 4 seconds quicker. For me though plenty of that was Roland Garros not being extended to win his race and Cernan had to finish fast to win. Light Pillar was a big disappointment last time after bolting up at Pakenham in a maiden and if he bounces back he could be the main danger.   Roland Garros 2pts @ 11/8 with Betfred   Race 4 (6am) The big hurdles race on the card and my feeling is if Saunter Boy or Norway don't win then it is wide open, but I do think Norway can bounce back after disappointing in the Grand National Hurdle last time. I just don't think he stayed that day and dropping back to 3250m looks ideal for him. He was very impressive on his first two hurdles starts and that trial I mentioned above with Raise You Ten suggests he is still in good form. Saunter Boy failed to finish in the Grand National Hurdle, but it was clearly a forgive effort as he's better than that so he should run better. He was 2nd in this last year, but Pateman has chosen Norway and so am I. Tamarack has done it well to be 2/2 over hurdles and he would be the most likely winner if the stablemates do disappoint again.   Norway 2pts @ 5/2 with Bet365   Race 5 (6.45am) I thought The Dominator would get away with the 3600m in a Heavy 10 on his last jumps start, but he didn't quite see it out as well as Historic that day. Here he drops back down in trip 200m and the ground will be better so although he has a big weight to carry I am going to side with him to win this. He was poor in this contest last year, but he's a better horse this time around having won the Thackeray and then finishing 2nd to Social Element at Pakenham. He's run well on the flat last week to keep him ticking over and he could be hard to catch out in front. Mawanny Machine has done well over hurdles this season and makes his chasing debut here. He put in a couple of poor jumps in his trial and although he could be good enough to win he looks much shorter in the betting than he should be. Zedman is the only other danger for me. He was 4th behind The Dominator two starts back, but he very nearly won on the 7 day back up in a decent race and if he is in that sort of form he could also be a possible winner.   The Dominator 1pt @ 3/1 with Betfred Zedman 0.5pts @ 4/1 with Betfred   Race 6 (7.25am) Social Element had been so impressive since going over fences winning 4/4 and he looked so good when landing the Crisp Chase at Sandown last time. This extra trip should hold no fears for him and he has looked the best horse over fences in Australia this year. I don't really see anything good enough to stop him making it 5/5. Flying Agent was 3rd in the Crisp and that was a better run, but its hard to see him reversing the form. Riding High was just behind in 4th that day and did win last time although again I can't see him reversing the form. Inayforhay makes his chasing debut after finishing 2nd in his 2 hurdle starts this season including the Grand National Hurdle at Sandown behind the best hurdler in Australia Wil John. If he takes to it he could be the main danger. San Remo looks like he needs this trip as does Mapping so either one of them could finish in the 3rd or 4th spots, but they are both running from a long way out of the handicap.   Social Element 4pts @ 11/10 with Betfred

More Buck's and Go On Chez both run at Cartmel tomorrow in the 4.35 and 5.15. Clearly More Buck's isn't going to be the sort of price he was last time, but this does look the perfect chance for him to get his head in front. He was superb at Market Rasen when enjoying himself out in front compared to Stratford when he couldn't make the running. The only concern I have about the race is if Full Spes decides to go off at a fast pace as he has done the last twice. Hopefully connections will change his running style though because he has been beaten easily both times and he steps up in trip so if he goes off that quick he has no chance. Ardera Cross can front run, but he's also stepping up in trip so I can't see him wanting to go off that fast. As long as Full Spes doesn't go blasting off in front though I don't think they will see which way More Buck's goes.    More Buck's @ 6/4 with Bet365 and William Hill   Go On Chez only has Breaking The Ice to beat in my view. Go On Chez has been put up 11lbs after his Uttoxeter win, but I think that is deserved as he did it really well and the front two were well clear of the rest. He has had a win op since then as well. Breaking The Ice is a course and distance winner and he's on a hat-trick after winning at Perth after that. I wouldn't put you off having a small saver on him, but I certainly think there is more to come from Go On Chez.   Go On Chez @ 4/1 with Bet365

We reach the end of the Victorian jumping season tomorrow at Ballarat with an all jumps card which ends with the Grand National Steeplechase.
Race 1 (4am) I think this is likely to go to one of the hurdling newcomers as although some of those with hurdling experience have placed form most of them are fairly exposed now and we have some useful flat horses making their hurdles debut here. The one excpetion would be So Able who I thought ran well enough last time in a decent enough race and I wouldn't rule him out here. I don't really understand why Tolemac is much bigger than Upswing in the betting given Tolemac looked a lot better when they trialled last time in the same race. Tolemac jumped well and won and Upswing looked very novicey and was only 4th. Both have been running well at a fair level on the fat although Tolemac has been in the higher quality races. Raise You Ten is the favourite and he impressed in his trial when beating Norway albeit both weren't over extended. He's been running well on the flat and was 2nd at Sandown when Upswing was 3rd last month. I couldn't put anyone off backing him, but Tolemac looks the value to me.   Tolemac 1pt @ 6/1 with Betfred   Race 2 (4.40am) You wouldn't think at the end of the season you would get two decent looking maidens but the two here look some of the better ones we have seen this season. Heberite and Sir Aglovale are respected on debut given their connections. Zedstar deserves to win, but he put in his worst performance of the season last time finishing a 20L 3rd after finishing 2nd on his first 4 hurdles starts. He was 9L behind Onset and that one bounced back after not running so well the previous week. He has e/w claims. The selection though is Mount Stewart who won a Newcastle bumper last November. That form has worked out pretty well as well with the 2nd winning 4 times over hurdles and is now rated 139 after finishing 3rd in the Scottish Champion Hurdle last time. He's done well in Australia winning two hurdle trials before beating Cracksman (the Australian version) in a BM78 earlier in the month. Although jumps horses have gone from here to Oz I have yet to come across one who is so unexposed and he could be an exciting horse under both codes.   Mount Stewart 2pts @ 11/10 with Bet365   Race 3 (5.20am) I like Roland Garros here. He disappointed at Sale on hurdles debut, but was a different horse last time as he bolted up beating Onset by 11L. Front running tactics worked a treat and no doubt he will be going on with it again here. His winning time was 9 seconds quicker than Cernan's who won the same card albeit his final 600m was just over 4 seconds quicker. For me though plenty of that was Roland Garros not being extended to win his race and Cernan had to finish fast to win. Light Pillar was a big disappointment last time after bolting up at Pakenham in a maiden and if he bounces back he could be the main danger.   Roland Garros 2pts @ 11/8 with Betfred   Race 4 (6am) The big hurdles race on the card and my feeling is if Saunter Boy or Norway don't win then it is wide open, but I do think Norway can bounce back after disappointing in the Grand National Hurdle last time. I just don't think he stayed that day and dropping back to 3250m looks ideal for him. He was very impressive on his first two hurdles starts and that trial I mentioned above with Raise You Ten suggests he is still in good form. Saunter Boy failed to finish in the Grand National Hurdle, but it was clearly a forgive effort as he's better than that so he should run better. He was 2nd in this last year, but Pateman has chosen Norway and so am I. Tamarack has done it well to be 2/2 over hurdles and he would be the most likely winner if the stablemates do disappoint again.   Norway 2pts @ 5/2 with Bet365   Race 5 (6.45am) I thought The Dominator would get away with the 3600m in a Heavy 10 on his last jumps start, but he didn't quite see it out as well as Historic that day. Here he drops back down in trip 200m and the ground will be better so although he has a big weight to carry I am going to side with him to win this. He was poor in this contest last year, but he's a better horse this time around having won the Thackeray and then finishing 2nd to Social Element at Pakenham. He's run well on the flat last week to keep him ticking over and he could be hard to catch out in front. Mawanny Machine has done well over hurdles this season and makes his chasing debut here. He put in a couple of poor jumps in his trial and although he could be good enough to win he looks much shorter in the betting than he should be. Zedman is the only other danger for me. He was 4th behind The Dominator two starts back, but he very nearly won on the 7 day back up in a decent race and if he is in that sort of form he could also be a possible winner.   The Dominator 1pt @ 3/1 with Betfred Zedman 0.5pts @ 4/1 with Betfred   Race 6 (7.25am) Social Element had been so impressive since going over fences winning 4/4 and he looked so good when landing the Crisp Chase at Sandown last time. This extra trip should hold no fears for him and he has looked the best horse over fences in Australia this year. I don't really see anything good enough to stop him making it 5/5. Flying Agent was 3rd in the Crisp and that was a better run, but its hard to see him reversing the form. Riding High was just behind in 4th that day and did win last time although again I can't see him reversing the form. Inayforhay makes his chasing debut after finishing 2nd in his 2 hurdle starts this season including the Grand National Hurdle at Sandown behind the best hurdler in Australia Wil John. If he takes to it he could be the main danger. San Remo looks like he needs this trip as does Mapping so either one of them could finish in the 3rd or 4th spots, but they are both running from a long way out of the handicap.   Social Element 4pts @ 11/10 with Betfred

More Buck's and Go On Chez both run at Cartmel tomorrow in the 4.35 and 5.15. Clearly More Buck's isn't going to be the sort of price he was last time, but this does look the perfect chance for him to get his head in front. He was superb at Market Rasen when enjoying himself out in front compared to Stratford when he couldn't make the running. The only concern I have about the race is if Full Spes decides to go off at a fast pace as he has done the last twice. Hopefully connections will change his running style though because he has been beaten easily both times and he steps up in trip so if he goes off that quick he has no chance. Ardera Cross can front run, but he's also stepping up in trip so I can't see him wanting to go off that fast. As long as Full Spes doesn't go blasting off in front though I don't think they will see which way More Buck's goes.    More Buck's @ 6/4 with Bet365 and William Hill   Go On Chez only has Breaking The Ice to beat in my view. Go On Chez has been put up 11lbs after his Uttoxeter win, but I think that is deserved as he did it really well and the front two were well clear of the rest. He has had a win op since then as well. Breaking The Ice is a course and distance winner and he's on a hat-trick after winning at Perth after that. I wouldn't put you off having a small saver on him, but I certainly think there is more to come from Go On Chez.   Go On Chez @ 4/1 with Bet365

You get the online version of the newspaper which I like to read as well. You get the access to the race replays which is handy. They do have a full list on their site of what is included.

People subscribe to Timeform for their ratings more than anything else I would imagine. I subscribe to the racing post because I am used to their racecards and like them. I sometimes might read what pricewise or Paul Kealy might say but I wouldn’t follow them at all. As for daily paper tipsters if you think spotlight writers struggle to find the time to write their pieces imagine how long they get to spend on putting a tip up for every race everyday. I’ve been told by one that on really busy days they get about 5 minutes per race. 

I don’t think the pa so provide tips anymore as think Timeform took all their contracts but whoever did them isn’t going to get very long to look at a race on a busy days racing. 
I think the Timeform rating only tells you so much though and the comments on the Timeform race card which you pay for are there to help with regards to recent performances and you can see how they’ve been performing based on their ratings given in each race. 

People subscribe to Timeform for their ratings more than anything else I would imagine. I subscribe to the racing post because I am used to their racecards and like them. I sometimes might read what pricewise or Paul Kealy might say but I wouldn’t follow them at all. As for daily paper tipsters if you think spotlight writers struggle to find the time to write their pieces imagine how long they get to spend on putting a tip up for every race everyday. I’ve been told by one that on really busy days they get about 5 minutes per race. 

People subscribe to Timeform for their ratings more than anything else I would imagine. I subscribe to the racing post because I am used to their racecards and like them. I sometimes might read what pricewise or Paul Kealy might say but I wouldn’t follow them at all. As for daily paper tipsters if you think spotlight writers struggle to find the time to write their pieces imagine how long they get to spend on putting a tip up for every race everyday. I’ve been told by one that on really busy days they get about 5 minutes per race. 

Totally agree with this. Some are good some shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a tipping column, but ultimately I struggle to believe that anyone tips losers on purpose or wants to put anyone away.

Sadly this is also true 

Because I cover the Aussie racing maybe?

There are numerous times when you think a horse would be suited by a step up in trip and then they do and they don’t seem to stay. That’s not misinformation that’s just someone having a view and it not working out. Horses aren’t machines and at the end of the day we are all guessing at what is going to happen in a horse race. I just think you are being very cynical and like I say think about how this website makes its money and I can assure you those of us who work for pl want you all to win.

I think you are way over playing the influence they have on the betting market. Also two experts can have very differing views on a race. Jonathan Neesom is very knowledgeable when it comes to hunter chases but sometimes I completely disagree with the things he writes or says. I can remember him tipping on horse up in the racing post which I couldn’t have at all as I didn’t think it would stay and I was right although it wouldn’t have mattered if it was the other way round as I’m sure it has also been over the years. That example sticks out as it was in a big race. To suggest the Timeform writer hasn’t written an honest view is crazy talk. Consider the fact that they have to write an opinion on every horse at a meeting and that they will have only a few hours to do so. That’s tough and it’s not that well paid either. Some of those people will be better than others. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion but it end up being wrong. Horses have made fools of me over the years and will continue to do so.

Totally agree with this. Some are good some shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a tipping column, but ultimately I struggle to believe that anyone tips losers on purpose or wants to put anyone away.

There are numerous times when you think a horse would be suited by a step up in trip and then they do and they don’t seem to stay. That’s not misinformation that’s just someone having a view and it not working out. Horses aren’t machines and at the end of the day we are all guessing at what is going to happen in a horse race. I just think you are being very cynical and like I say think about how this website makes its money and I can assure you those of us who work for pl want you all to win.

Basically PuntersLounge get paid in the same way Timeform and racing post get paid from bookies. Let’s face it any tipster whoever they wrote for isn’t going to have many followers of they didn’t put up winners.
I live in the uk.

Timeform were purchased by betfair who were then taken over by paddy power but they would lose all credibility if they were told to give out duff advice. There are some incredibly smart people who work for Timeform and I believe it’s pretty tough to get a job there. The writers of the free Timeform comments and the racing post spotlights have to work to very tight deadlines. Now 48 hour decs might have helped in that regards but when it was 24 hours they wouldn’t get the decs through until 10.30 or maybe later and they would then have to write something about every horse at a meeting by mid afternoon. That’s pretty intensive if there are a lot of runners and you aren’t going to have the luxury of watching replays. Timeform would lose all credibility if they were told to put up false information.
Also just think for a moment on how PuntersLounge makes its money because on your theory the tipsters here would also then be looking to put up losers.

But two people can have different views on how a horse ran in a race. Look at Snowfall last week some were saying it was an amazing performance and some were saying she didn’t achieve much and not to get carried away with it. I don’t think it was a deliberate attempt to put people off at all. Timeform is a highly reputable institution that has been around for a very long time. They want people to buy their stuff they aren’t going to mislead anyone. Given how long they have to write their previews it is no surprise that most of their selections are near the head of the market or favourite.

I think you are way over playing the influence they have on the betting market. Also two experts can have very differing views on a race. Jonathan Neesom is very knowledgeable when it comes to hunter chases but sometimes I completely disagree with the things he writes or says. I can remember him tipping on horse up in the racing post which I couldn’t have at all as I didn’t think it would stay and I was right although it wouldn’t have mattered if it was the other way round as I’m sure it has also been over the years. That example sticks out as it was in a big race. To suggest the Timeform writer hasn’t written an honest view is crazy talk. Consider the fact that they have to write an opinion on every horse at a meeting and that they will have only a few hours to do so. That’s tough and it’s not that well paid either. Some of those people will be better than others. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion but it end up being wrong. Horses have made fools of me over the years and will continue to do so.

But people have different opinions on horses so not a massive surprise that they can have such varying opinions from time to time. 

But people have different opinions on horses so not a massive surprise that they can have such varying opinions from time to time.