Zilzalian

Sat here wondering how many of these odds on and shorties are going to get beat and if so what opportunities there are. a smart man would leave well alone, i wish i was a smart man.

If you re-read the thread he didn't get hammered, what he got were responses to his points and most were sympathetic to his situation but simply didn't agree with him on this issue. some at least put their reasons forward for why they didn't agree with him. surely that is useful in any debate. and i would suggest a consensus was reached and that was, that it is the bet and not the horse that counts for the competitions. okay so it wasn't what he wanted to hear (and i did sympathise) but at least they were honest opinions.

Well as it stands a placed horse/bet in profit is classed as a winner so by your logic a 9/4 horse placed ew coming placed would also be a winner like, i said earlier as it stands the table headings are bet, won, lost. and not horse, won, lost. like i say i do understand your angst and the reasons for it but sometimes we just have to bite our lip, kick the cat and accept the situation. One thing for sure is that it is not something to fall out with anyone over.

The simple way to write a rule would be to say IT IS THE BET and not the Horse that has priority for the competitions, which just clarifies what already happens.

If you re-read the thread he didn't get hammered, what he got were responses to his points and most were sympathetic to his situation but simply didn't agree with him on this issue. some at least put their reasons forward for why they didn't agree with him. surely that is useful in any debate. and i would suggest a consensus was reached and that was, that it is the bet and not the horse that counts for the competitions. okay so it wasn't what he wanted to hear (and i did sympathise) but at least they were honest opinions.

If you re-read the thread he didn't get hammered, what he got were responses to his points and most were sympathetic to his situation but simply didn't agree with him on this issue. some at least put their reasons forward for why they didn't agree with him. surely that is useful in any debate. and i would suggest a consensus was reached and that was, that it is the bet and not the horse that counts for the competitions. okay so it wasn't what he wanted to hear (and i did sympathise) but at least they were honest opinions.

Another shocker of a day, thank god I lay low last few days, lol. 

But. You keep ignoring the fact that the "bet" was a loser and for the competition it is the bet that applies not the horse IHO.

The last few posts on this thread as so unlike this great site.        
Come on guys take the competition in the spirit intended and always accept the judge's decision as final.
We move on.
 
Best of luck today everyone        

But. You keep ignoring the fact that the "bet" was a loser and for the competition it is the bet that applies not the horse IHO.

But. You keep ignoring the fact that the "bet" was a loser and for the competition it is the bet that applies not the horse IHO.

But. You keep ignoring the fact that the "bet" was a loser and for the competition it is the bet that applies not the horse IHO.

But. You keep ignoring the fact that the "bet" was a loser and for the competition it is the bet that applies not the horse IHO.

This is the point! Everybody else (who has chosen to express an opinion) has said so and no-one has claimed that your horse lost. The table records whether the bet was a winner or a loser. Imagine an each way selection that placed rather than won but returned a profit. The table would record it as a winning bet. This despite the fact that the horse did not win the race. Nothing about the table is predicated on whether or not the horse won the race. It is about whether or not the bet was a winning one. A bet that returned less than the stake is a losing one and it really is as simple as that.
I can understand why you queried the decision and why you might be disappointed but in view of the ensuing discussion and clarification I don't think there is any sense or scope in pursuing the argument.

Ooh I do love semantics! As an interested outsider I'd say it's fairly clear, the horse deadheated for 1st place but the bet lost because the return was less than the stake. Had it been greater the bet would have been a winner. The table expressly records the number of bets (not horses) and this bet lost.
Now, had the return been exactly the same as the stake then there would have been scope for a proper argument about whether it was a winner or a loser, given there's no column for a push! 

The simple way to write a rule would be to say IT IS THE BET and not the Horse that has priority for the competitions, which just clarifies what already happens.

Ew placed only profit is classed as a winner, so if i backed every day at say 2/1 or even money ew then by your situation (i wont say argument) my places would have to be classed as winners which would make the "most winners" competition farcical (if not for the +10 rule), I can see your frustration but in effect you have had a winner in name only not a financial winner and the whole point of betting is presumably to make money your bet actually lost you money. Just my opinion based on what's happened. If you consider the headings its BETS - WON- LOST not HORSES-WON-LOST  is probably the best way to look at it.
As for the rerun of the KO cup i would hate to win that comp knowing my opponent couldn't get on through tech difficulties, it was/is not ideal but the rerun was a reasonable solution. I can't think of a fairer solution to be honest. Baring in mind i think in effect we are all mates on here, i would hate to fall out with someone over a free competitions that cost us nothing but provides us with a bit of sporting fun with a prize.

Came up with Global Acclaim at 12/1 (now 8/1) in this race so I napped it, so forgive me when I say sod off with your ratings. ??

There were quite a few R4 deductions.

Came up with Global Acclaim at 12/1 (now 8/1) in this race so I napped it, so forgive me when I say sod off with your ratings. ??

Your opponent would show a loss of £3 and you would have a loss of £2.42 so you would be deemed the winner.

Ew placed only profit is classed as a winner, so if i backed every day at say 2/1 or even money ew then by your situation (i wont say argument) my places would have to be classed as winners which would make the "most winners" competition farcical (if not for the +10 rule), I can see your frustration but in effect you have had a winner in name only not a financial winner and the whole point of betting is presumably to make money your bet actually lost you money. Just my opinion based on what's happened. If you consider the headings its BETS - WON- LOST not HORSES-WON-LOST  is probably the best way to look at it.
As for the rerun of the KO cup i would hate to win that comp knowing my opponent couldn't get on through tech difficulties, it was/is not ideal but the rerun was a reasonable solution. I can't think of a fairer solution to be honest. Baring in mind i think in effect we are all mates on here, i would hate to fall out with someone over a free competitions that cost us nothing but provides us with a bit of sporting fun with a prize.

In simple terms ; Wins are winning TIPS  including EW placed selections that made a profit.

Ew placed only profit is classed as a winner, so if i backed every day at say 2/1 or even money ew then by your situation (i wont say argument) my places would have to be classed as winners which would make the "most winners" competition farcical (if not for the +10 rule), I can see your frustration but in effect you have had a winner in name only not a financial winner and the whole point of betting is presumably to make money your bet actually lost you money. Just my opinion based on what's happened. If you consider the headings its BETS - WON- LOST not HORSES-WON-LOST  is probably the best way to look at it.
As for the rerun of the KO cup i would hate to win that comp knowing my opponent couldn't get on through tech difficulties, it was/is not ideal but the rerun was a reasonable solution. I can't think of a fairer solution to be honest. Baring in mind i think in effect we are all mates on here, i would hate to fall out with someone over a free competitions that cost us nothing but provides us with a bit of sporting fun with a prize.

If a horse is backed at say 3/1 e/w and finished 2nd or 3rd it's deemed a loser as far as the comp is concerned because returns do not exceed initial stake , this is no different your  1 pt returned .58  ergo a loser 
The other horse was 4/1 so 1/2 stake at full odds would be .5 x 5 = 2.5  returns -1 stake  = + 1.5 so I assume this would be treated as a winner ??
It's the 1st of Feb if it's important at the end of the month then you can make an objection until then MC's decision must stand .