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Sayedaty Sadaty 14.25 Newmarket 13/2 william hill

4.15 Punchestown Hardwired 20/1 Bet365 EW

Ok, will do.

Tell you what @harry_rag How about i supply you with all the raw speed data for 2yo on the Monday of Royal Ascot and see how a different mind might interpret it? I think there are 3 2yo group races races.

You should be on tour with that sense o humour. National Express tour to the Outer f'in Hebrides...

To be fair sexual politics is a minefield. Any notion of a mild rebuke for sexism was somewhat blown out of the water by his sudden identification as being non-binary!

Punchestown 19:40 Masterboy Davis 10/1 EW Bet365

I'm surprised the moderator's allowed that, very sexist I bet you still like Yorkie bars !

It was nice to be king for a day ! @roger2256 takes over with 16/1 Punchestown winner Pigeon House

Result Doncaster 20:20 Mr Irrelevant....1st (6/5F) Todays Profit = +12 pts Current Years Profit 2024 = + 84.11 pts (Years Profit 2023 = - 382.60 pts.) (Years Profit 2022 = - 239.42 pts.) (Years Profit 2021 = - 197.65 pts.) (Years Profit 2020 = +17.50 pts.) (Years Profit 2019 = + 287.87 pts.) (Years Profit 2018 = + 90.52 pts.) (Years Profit 2017 = - 73.44 pts.) (Years Profit 2016 = + 437.86 pts.) (Years Profit 2015 = + 18.52 pts.) (Years Loss 2014 = - 30.20 pts.)  (Years Loss 2013 = - 105.06 pts.) (Years Profit 2012 = +127.65 pts.) (Years Loss 2011 = - 13.82 pts.)    (Years Profit 2010 = +166.01 pts.)  Bank = + 2081.02 pts.  Profit = + 1981.02 pts. Current Winning Run = 1

Both matches locked 4-4. Bingham one will be all nerves between those two. All to play for in both matches but still hoping for Gilberto and Jack

Ha, I spoke too soon, Jones got back in and took the frame, 4 each. Didn't look likely a few minutes ago!

Sure enough Jones won the next two frames to make it 3 each, but then messed up to hand frame 7 to Bingham, and now he's made another idiotic mistake to present frame 8 to Bingham on a plate. 🤦‍♂️ Poor stuff from the Welshman after deservedly levelling the match before that.

Yeah but binary event option bets are for girls surely? 🤣😁😂💋

3.35 Newmarket Boiling Point (9/4 William Hill)

I think it’s easier to try and calculate fair odds for binary events (over/under, player to score or not) than horse races or anything with a big field. The ratings angle seems more appropriate for them. You also need less data to be confident about the validity when there’s just two possible outcomes at relatively short odds.

6.55 Cheltenham - Harbour Queen = E.way 10/1 Bet365

I've tried to calculate the fair odds from my systems but invariably it throws up a lot of the outsiders as value bets For the 2000 guineas probably every horse apart from the favourite would be a value bet

You guys have certainly sold me on the merits of speed ratings in the right hands (which isn’t me, recent collaborative dabbling not withstanding). I agree they’re primarily a tool that helps with the decision making and need a degree of interpretation. I think a system that involves actually calculating your own “fair” odds and betting when you can get the required margin lends itself more to backing every qualifier without exception, for as long as the returns continue to support that. I’m happy with that approach, on a busy day with loads of matches I’ll probably just back the system qualifiers (and have plenty of bets). On a quieter day I’ll have a look at the “not quite” bets and see if any look worth backing regardless. I would also consider other backing options where time allows (bet builders, multis, first scorer). I would never second guess the system, even when it throws up Dominic Calvert-Lewin! I think that’s the difference between ratings that give you an idea of the relative merits of the runners and a system that calculates your own fair odds.

Sorry Harry just noticed this. Stopwatch for Lunar Eclipse is 21 based off its only run if i was rating this it would be followed by a + ie 21+

Is anyone else intrigued by all this and can't wait to either be laughing or crying once the results are in? 🤣

I've only seen one frame of Bingham vs Jones but I don't like what I saw of Bingham. Absolutely threw away that frame, although Jones cleaned up nicely when he got the chance. I wasn't hugely impressed by Bingham vs Ronnie either, despite the win. 'O Sullivan really underperformed. If I was putting on a bet now it'd be on Jones or Jones plus the handicap.

4.15 Punchestown Win Perceval Legallois @ 15/4 paddy power

I agree 100% my speed figures begin with 2yo's and we are this far in and this is all the 2yo races 18/03/24 CURR HH 05F MM 8 A 10.80 9 7 1 ABSOLUTE RULER 22/03/24 ST-CL HH 05F MM 6 A 6.09 8 13 1 CONVO 23/03/24 DONC HH 05F NSK 15 A 7.87 9 7 1 ZMINIATURE 26/03/24 DUND PT 05F MM 9 A 2.88 9 2 1 MONING VIETNAM 26/03/24 SOUT TP 05F MM 8 A 3.72 9 5 1 SEX ON FIRE 30/03/24 CORK HH 05F MM 6 A 11.32 9 7 1 MONOTONE 31/03/24 SOUT TP 05F MN 7 A 5.02 9 2 1 DEAL MAKER 01/04/24 KEMP PT 05F NM 5 A 2.52 9 5 1 PONT NEUF 04/04/24 CHAN HH 05F MM 7 A 9.41 9 2 1 ROCK HUNTER 08/04/24 LING PT 05F NS 4 A 2.39 9 2 1 KUWAITYA 08/04/24 WOLV TP 05F NS 8 A 2.87 9 2 1 LADY LIGHTENING 09/04/24 THIR SS 05F MS 7 A 9.72 9 7 1 ATHERSTONE WARRIOR 10/04/24 WOLV TP 05F MS 6 A 2.43 9 2 1 ENCHANTING EMPRESS 10/04/24 KEMP PT 05F NS 8 A 3.33 9 2 1 KODIBEAT 11/04/24 SOUT TP 05F NS 4 A 3.07 9 5 1 WINCHURCH 12/04/24 DUND PT 05F MM 9 A 4.07 9 2 1 PROUDLY YOURS 12/04/24 ST-CL HH 05F CS 6 A 5.04 8 9 1 HERRENCHIEMSEE 15/04/24 WIND GS 05F NS 10 A 1.16 9 2 1 GOLDEN PARADISE 16/04/24 NEWM GG 05F NS 6 A 2.00 9 7 1 ARRAN 17/04/24 NEWM GG 05F MFS 13 A 0.62 9 2 1 IT AINT TWO 19/04/24 NEWB GS 05F MS 8 A 3.95 9 7 1 HAWAIIAN 19/04/24 BATH GG 05F NS 14 A 4.77 8 11 1 BETTY CLOVER 19/04/24 ST-CL VS 05F CS 12 A 3.73 9 1 1 AWJ 20/04/24 THIR SS 05F FNS 12 A 6.86 9 2 1 MISS LAMAI 20/04/24 BRIG GG 5.5F MS 8 A 2.38 9 2 1 FONDEST DREAM 20/04/24 NOTT SS 05F MS 6 A 5.97 9 5 1 CHILLY BREEZE 21/04/24 MUSS GS 05F NS 5 A 4.97 9 4 1 BARAK 21/04/24 CURR SH 05F MM 6 A 7.29 9 5 1 MIDNIGHT STRIKE 21/04/24 CURR SH 06F MM 11 A 7.51 9 7 1 COWARD OF THE COUNTY 22/04/24 PONT SS 05F NS 11 A 7.31 9 0 1 HOT TO DOT 22/04/24 WINDS GG 05F NS 9 A 2.17 9 2 1 KAADI 23/04/24 YARM GF 05F MS 6 A 1.91 9 7 1 BINADHAM 25/04/24 BEVE SS 05F NS 8 A 6.20 9 0 1 JAYVEE 26/04/24 CHAN GS 05F CS 7 A 1.89 8 7 1 HOT DARLING 27/04/24 LEIC SS 05F MS 7 A 6.94 9 3 1 BLEWBURTON 27/04/24 NAVA GY 06F MM 11 A 7.61 9 7 1 CAMILLE PISSARRO 27/04/24 RIPO SS 05F NS 7 A 6.07 9 7 1 ASSERTIVELY 29/04/24 SOUT TP 05F NS 6 A 3.27 9 7 1 THE MAN 29/04/24 AYR GG 05F MS 6 A 3.65 9 7 1 ZABEEL ROAD 29/04/24 NAAS YY 06F MM 12 A 6.70 9 2 1 SPARKLING SEA 30/04/24 CATT GG 05F MFS 7 A 2.48 9 2 1 ENGLEMERE 01/05/24 ASCO GS 05F COS 6 A 2.96 9 2 1 ENCHANTING EMPRESS 01/05/24 PONT SS 05F MS 5 A 5.33 9 7 1 FRANCISCOS PIECE 01/05/24 BRIG GG 5.5F MS 7 A 3.59 9 2 1 DAISY INTHE BREEZE 01/05/24 KEMP PT 05F MFS 7 A 1.81 8 9 1 RUBYS PROFIT 01/05/24 ST-CL SS 06F MM 8 A 1.26 8 10 1 MADERO

Espoir De Guye 20.05 Cheltenham 5/1 Bet365