Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

[trhemp]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... having just read this whole thread out of boredom, does it really matter if online casinos "rig" their systems or not. You can never prove it either way. Roulette is a terrible game to try and make money from. Good for a little fun, but there is and never will be a system to win from it over the long term. Like many wise posters have said. Walk away while ahead.

[FleetFanatic]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

You make a wild and unreasonable statement, you provide the evidence. That's how it works. Without evidence, you're just another Internet crazy, or village idiot

.....and while I think bookmakers are open to using dirty tricks.....

And there we have it. :unsure :ok:beer

[glceud]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

I stopped as I regularly saw the ball land on '0' twice in row (far more than the >1000/1 odds suggest) even 3 time in a row' date=' or the same number 3 out of 4 spins, and regularly >12 of the same colour on the trot. There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that they are not fixed, so there! (and I won't be commenting again either)[/quote'] Thanks for that. I logged onto 32 red to test the theory after your post, and after using a cunning version of the martingale system, I am currently £153,000 pounds up:dude

[Lardonio]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

And there we have it. :unsure :ok:beer

Have what? You can't even back up your own claims, all you are doing is some lunatic 'attack is the best defence'. You should have kept your promise:

I won't be replying again.

With dirty tricks I mean for example closing down or limiting winning sports bettors accounts, which many bookmakers do (and admit they do). Or providing 'bonuses' which has to be staked through 58 times on sure-loss games before they can be cashed out.

[Gingertipster]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

So anyway, which company did I accuse? Just for the record, like. Oh. I didn't. :dude Does not matter if you don't name the company, without doing so it tarrs every company with the same brush. It would be possible for every online casino to take you to court in a joint action. So it's ok to accuse bookmakers of "dirty tricks"? :lol No it's not, unless those "dirty tricks" are legal. Or you can provide evidence if it is illegal. Why? Because you don't like what is posted? Does not matter if I like it or not. If you have not got any evidence it is a comment that could (not will) get both yourself (which I don't care about) and PL (which I do) in court. Sorry you don't agree with my opinion. I guess you're easily offended. Not so, just concerned. And don't like people making unsubstantiated claims of illegal wrong doing. I'll go and edit the first comment I made, especially for you. Thank you Fleet. Am sure Paul Ross is pleased too. I'd like your opinion of true randomness. So far nobody has offered any alternative. If there's an input (ie software generated), it doesn't matter how many billions of algorithms are in it - it's still playing to a pattern, even if an individual player is unlikely to exhaust that pattern. Therefore it isn't random.

I don't use casino's but what are the odds? 39/1? Presume they programme each number to have a 2.5% chance, adding their mark up to the 2.5%. My brother, who is a software engineer, assures me this is possible. I doubt if what was said would be used to take you to court, but it is possible Fleet. We should all be careful not to get PL in trouble, as (I believe) they are partly resbonsible for anything they allow on here. Whether they agree with the poster or not.

[FleetFanatic]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

Have what? You can't even back up your own claims' date=' all you are doing is some lunatic 'attack is the best defence'. You should have kept your promise:[/quote'] Says somebody who decided to make a "constructive reply" by posting this:

[FleetFanatic]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

Thanks for that. I logged onto 32 red to test the theory after your post, and after using a cunning version of the martingale system, I am currently £153,000 pounds up:dude

:lol Now click the "real play" button & see if it works. :lol

[glceud]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... Originally Posted by FleetFanatic You've forgotten the fact that you are playing against computer software designed to pick up your betting patterns, hence eventually it will give you enough of the wrong colour on the trot. Quit whilst you have been lucky. Actualy find this an intersting idea. I have a mate who has lost thousands on online slots, not that it bothers him, he enjoys it! However I am sick and tired of watching him turn £500 in £5000 as on the few occasions I try I cant get near it. It almost seems like the software knows he wont cash out so gives him as many thrills as it wants knowing the cash is safe in the bank

[Gingertipster]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

OK point taken, ginger, but I personally still wouldn't trust online casinos. It's the equivalent of "email me some money with a number of your choice & I'll email you back a number & let you know if you've won or not". Each to their own though I guess. For the record, they can't program each number to have a 2.5% chance though. If all is equal, there is just over 2.7% chance of any given number on a European/French wheel. That cannot be altered, if all is equal, as they must all have an equal chance & add up to 100%. How they get their edge is on the odds they offer. For example, 36 numbers plus 0 is 37/1. So they typically offer 35/1 on any number. True odds on red or black would be 1.11*/1, so they offer 1/1. A corner of 4 numbers 8.5/1, they offer 8/1. That's where their mark up is. So there is never any value, and as somebody who insists on value I am sure that you are already aware of this - hence why, like me, you don't play this rubbish. The one thing that nobody has disputed, mind you, is my point that it isn't truly random. It's random enough to be used on an individual player, but it still isn't random.

Sorry mate, but I say it is truly random. If there are 37 different numbers then it is a true 36/1 2.7027% chance of coming up. Of course they don't pay out 36/1, but it is still totally random, every number has exactly the same chance of winning, therefore it is random. Every colour and corner have the same chance (random). Another thing, isn't there more than one (possibly hundreds or thousands) playing the same game of Roulette? Not exactly like e-mailing a number, as it would be more difficult to fake. Though not impossible. Would think these machines are regularly checked, including software to make sure no fiddling goes on. Can't see why any company would risk any wrong doing, as you say "there is no value" so these companies are on a sure fire winner anyway. Any winning punter will (if they carry on) be a losing punter eventually, without any skulduggery.:ok

[glceud]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

these machines are regularly checked, including software to make sure no fiddling goes on.

You mean to say that you weren't aware that the RNG is only switched on during auditing:eyes The rest of the time it's a Chinese sweat camp making sure we cant win:ok

[FleetFanatic]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

Sorry mate, but I say it is truly random. If there are 37 different numbers then it is a true 36/1 2.7027% chance of coming up. Of course they don't pay out 36/1, but it is still totally random, every number has exactly the same chance of winning, therefore it is random. Every colour and corner have the same chance (random).

But what is instructing the wheel to pick a number? Software. What is making the software work? Code. In that code will be algorithms that can only generate "x" number of results, even if x is 500billion or even more, eventually every possible sequence would get covered. It's just no human would be able to exhaust the sequences. Like I said, it's random enough to anybody playing it, but it isn't "truly random".

Another thing' date=' isn't there more than one (possibly hundreds or thousands) playing the same game of Roulette? Not exactly like e-mailing a number, as it would be more difficult to fake. Though not impossible. Would think these machines are regularly checked, including software to make sure no fiddling goes on. Can't see why any company would risk any wrong doing, as you say "there is no value" so they are on a sure fire winner anyway. Any winning punter will (if they carry on) be a losing punter eventually, without any skulduggery.[/quote'] You misunderstood me on that - I'm not saying that it is being faked. I am saying that I wouldn't be able make a decision on what to pick based on form, so to me, it is the equivalent of being emailed a random number.

[uknowsit]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... Whats people's view of the roulette terminals in bookmakers vs online roulette vs actual casino roulette? DOes everyone think the chance of winning (or loosing) is the same?

[Lardonio]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

All you did was to shoot down my comment, but without putting forward any decent counter argument to explain why, then backing it up with inane gibberish about cows, Elvis & George Bush. :lol At least I got a decent, constructive argument from Gingertipster.

This is what I wrote in reply to your accusation that bookmakers record player's betting patterns and then manipulate the outcome so that they will lose: "That's quite a statement. Can you back this up with solid evidence? If it was true it would be a massive scandal. I am 100% sure you are mistaken though, as the casinos would be incredibly stupid to risk exposure by cheating on a game which already is guaranteed by mathematical laws to make them money." At this point you were already going ballistic on other forum posters daring to question your opinions, following it up with insults and various attacks. I'm sitting here laughing in disbelief :lol

[JosTheelen]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

Whats people's view of the roulette terminals in bookmakers vs online roulette vs actual casino roulette? DOes everyone think the chance of winning (or loosing) is the same?

I cannot judge how other people think about it, but personally I think the chances are the same. Maybe there is a very very small difference. A guy worked on the mechanics/physics of the roulette wheel and discovered that there were very small differences which he used to earn some money. He wrote a book about it (forgot his name). I think the online bookmakers keep their virtual wheel perfect. They earn a lot of money with that. When they cheat, there is a chance that it will be discovered, and they will go broke and probably in jail.

[FleetFanatic]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

At this point you were already going ballistic on other forum posters daring to question your opinions' date=' following it up with insults and various attacks. I'm sitting here laughing in disbelief :lol[/quote'] You really are on another planet. :unsure Please find show me examples of "going ballistic" & "insults" that were posted before the post that you have referred to? And please don't use my "gestapo comment" as your proof - that was edited after the post that you have quoted. In fact, you have thrown more insults in this thread than anybody, old chap. I don't need to resort to personal insults that involve cows & Elvis to have a discussion. :dude Maybe it's the complicated words such as "algorithms" that have got you confused or something, but I don't see any personal attacks, If you don't know what the words mean, just ask, and we will explain them to you. :ok

[Lardonio]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

You really are on another planet. :unsure

Yes, I am. It's called Earth. Where are you? :rollin

[FleetFanatic]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

Yes, I am. It's called Earth. Where are you? :rollin

Still waiting for your reply on the rest of that post. I expect it will be a long wait.

[Lardonio]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... I imagine it will be as long as the wait for all the questions you haven't answered. Meanwhile, keep editing your posts constantly, at least it keeps you off the streets.

[carpe]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... I was bored so i throw 40 euros in to try it....96 now in a short time.

[carpe]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... Ended up at 175, 135 euros up in roughly an hour. Surely not guaranteed money, but damn good nonetheless.

[SteveO]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... Wow these roulette machines must be like money printing machines eh?

[clay747]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... If the software has pattern matching functions that alter the probabilities of numbers coming up based on your input, you could in theory exploit that to gain an edge in a game you otherwise have none. Even if you can not exploit it, you can counter it by using your own random number generator to make your picks. The easiest way to rig the game would be to look and your input and adjust the outcome to payout at a given percentage lower than the odds given to the player. You could test that by picking the same number or colour every time and seeing how much it pays out or a large sample. But whatever your reasoning is, these games have negative expectation for the player, so the house always wins in the end.

[uknowsit]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... I created an Excel random number generator and let it workout how you would fare over a few thousand days - betting where you played the martingale approach. It showed a positive yield of around 9% (assuming you start with a 50p stake). The bad news is you'd need around £62,000 to cover your biggest loosing streak.

[colinmole68]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

You can't win' date=' full stop. Thread closed..[/quote'] Not quite correct I'm afraid, Mr Ross. If you had said " You sometimes can win ,full stop.Thread closed.." then you would have been correct.

[That Foreign Guy]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

I created an Excel random number generator and let it workout how you would fare over a few thousand days - betting where you played the martingale approach. It showed a positive yield of around 9% (assuming you start with a 50p stake). The bad news is you'd need around £62,000 to cover your biggest loosing streak.

Your sample size is too small. But yeah you show one of the problems of martingale. http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/bettingsystems.html I'll summarise: NO STAKING SYSTEM CAN TURN A -EV BET IN TO A +EV BET absolutely not, no way never, you would actually be more likely to successfully build a perpetual motion machine. Besides, real men reverse martingale. Rudyard Kipling says so! "If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; .... you'll be a Man, my son!" :cow

[d@du18]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... I've played the same as you did. some tips: 1. it's very important that you use this strategy only on local roulette, NOT on digital ones (or online!!). 2. play very rarely and with very big stakes (25% of your wage). if you play often you risk to catch a long row of same colour...many hands played --> many chances to catch the "surprise" :wall 3. After 3-4 winnings, I start to play on both colours (b/r) this way: I take the odds for a colour @ 2 (smaller) along it the colour (black/red) and I start with 1u stake on both: 1u x 2b and 1u x 2r ...the colour is BLACK, so i have 1u x 2b = 2u (+1u) 1u x 2r = 0u (-1u) After that I use martingale on the looser row: 1u x 2b 2u x 2r ...if the colour is black, i'll continue with martingale until it comes red ...if the colour is red, profit +1 for the red row and +1 profit for the black row This way you are sure that you'll not lose all your money. Be wise !! :ok

[saplingg]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system...

I've played the same as you did. some tips: 1. it's very important that you use this strategy only on local roulette, NOT on digital ones (or online!!). 2. play very rarely and with very big stakes (25% of your wage). if you play often you risk to catch a long row of same colour...many hands played --> many chances to catch the "surprise" :wall 3. After 3-4 winnings, I start to play on both colours (b/r) this way: I take the odds for a colour @ 2 (smaller) along it the colour (black/red) and I start with 1u stake on both: 1u x 2b and 1u x 2r ...the colour is BLACK, so i have 1u x 2b = 2u (+1u) 1u x 2r = 0u (-1u) After that I use martingale on the looser row: 1u x 2b 2u x 2r ...if the colour is black, i'll continue with martingale until it comes red ...if the colour is red, profit +1 for the red row and +1 profit for the black row This way you are sure that you'll not lose all your money. Be wise !! :ok

Green?

[Grex]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... Naughty boy, Saplingg, for resurrecting this useless thread :spank .... mind you, it was good fun re-reading the "friendly" banter, mainly between FleetFanatic and Lardonio :moon

[Lardonio]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... Haha, my thoughts exactly :lol

[dazgee]

Re: Just won £50 quid on Roulette with this system... my opinion = it uses your own betting patterns to eventually catch you out... i use 9 stakes , so if bet 9 loses i restart again from minimum stake . basically take the loss on the chin and fight on . now when i heard about this . i tried it free play , with about 6 x a4 lined books and about 13 biro pens . i recorded everything , bet , stake , betting board , and result , and i format it like a tickbox sheet . and can record approx 350 - 500 spins per page of paper . seems alot ..... IT AINT. freeplay i sticked to disciplined betting patterns untill id sampled half a dozen patterns. i can tell you the best i did was 1500 spins until i died , with basic black red black red black red . ( this defeats any 10 x red / 10 x black streak ). and worst was 400 spins till death with 3x black 3x red 3 x black 3 x red . so now after the illusion of a possible £1000 day profit . before even playing real money , i know that at best i will only keep 7 - 10% of my profits IF I DONT GO BUST. deposited 70 quid real money , books n pens ready to record every detail , and im going fast like 120 spins per hour , hours on end , . i got 2900 spins befoe my first loss switching to odd even halfway through a losing pattern develop. i got up to 500 quid in just over a week , but after this week , i started to notice my sucess fading . you can deffo see that it copies your pattern . it is so predictable that you can predictt the next move because its doing the total opposite of your own pattern to catch you out . like a mirror image . so you can get 15 or 16 wins in a row, but then they change pattern to catch a differnt pattern out . after my sucess faded i started using sly , smart randomnes with 118 1936 O E bk rd AND RECORDED THE LOT .. and with all this data at hand , its so clear to see that a mirror image of my betting patterns were coming to get me , now with randomness , there is no system , no sucess , and eventually my randomness fell victim and i had 3 max losses in the same day i dropped from 500 to 230 so i ran off with my money before i lost my initial 70 quid . bottom line = deffo records patterns , if you record , it will be on record , so like me you can record it recording you , make sense ???