Hugo Taylor

[Labrador]

Re: Hugo Taylor The problem for me is ATR trumpeting massive profits for Hugh when it's virtually impossible to get on at his recommended prices. His profit/loss to SP should be set out clearly too so as to give a fairer indication of his skills. I'd be very surprised if anyone backing Lady Norlela this morning has got on at his 25/1 recommendation. Very quickly the bookies slash to half those prices knowing that Hugh's followers will pile on regardless. It's not Hugh's fault, and he's a decent bloke, although too obsessed with Newcastle form:lol.

[TheBoyRooney]

Re: Hugo Taylor

The problem for me is ATR trumpeting massive profits for Hugh when it's virtually impossible to get on at his recommended prices. His profit/loss to SP should be set out clearly too so as to give a fairer indication of his skills. I'd be very surprised if anyone backing Lady Norlela this morning has got on at his 25/1 recommendation. Very quickly the bookies slash to half those prices knowing that Hugh's followers will pile on regardless. It's not Hugh's fault, and he's a decent bloke, although too obsessed with Newcastle form.

:lol You last sentence is key it is not his fault....But the simple question is,what profits do you want them to put up??. .The profits ten munutes,an hour after he puts it up,SP??? how many tipsters here put up 33-1 tips,and they win at 4-1 and they say "yes a 4-1 winner"??? the profits shown are for his service,the fact the price is slashed is not his fault or atrs...At the end of the day there is no problem having an opinion but to constantly go on about it in an obsessive manner as mr casey does,makes no sense,then to follow up with "thick" comments is outrageous.This man is clearly so envious of mr taylor im beginning to think that mr taylor bullied him in school or something,or took his girlfriend,something of that nature.:nana

[jayalexander]

Re: Hugo Taylor

I'd be very surprised if anyone backing Lady Norlela this morning has got on at his 25/1 recommendation.

Lady Norlela	14.26	£5.00	£66.30
Ref: 11566132667 Bet matched:10:40 21-Jul-10

Hugh updated his page 5 mins before I was able to place the bet. No complaints here whatsoever. That's what gambling is all about.

[Gingertipster]

Re: Hugo Taylor

The problem for me is ATR trumpeting massive profits for Hugh when it's virtually impossible to get on at his recommended prices. His profit/loss to SP should be set out clearly too so as to give a fairer indication of his skills. I'd be very surprised if anyone backing Lady Norlela this morning has got on at his 25/1 recommendation. Very quickly the bookies slash to half those prices knowing that Hugh's followers will pile on regardless. It's not Hugh's fault, and he's a decent bloke, although too obsessed with Newcastle form:lol.

There would be no point giving a profit/loss to SP Labrador. When a "value" tipster like Hugh tips a horse it is because he believes the price to be value at "tipping time". So a horse tipped at 25/1 is thought value. If it comes in to 12/1 SP there is no point in putting it in any profit/loss, because Hugh would probably not tip the horse at 12/1. It being no longer VALUE. Indeed, at SP he'd probably rather tip some other nag who's gone out to a value price. i.e. A tip is only a tip because of the price. If prices were different some other horse would be tipped. As you say yourself, it is not Hugh's fault he's so successful and has a large following likely to bring the price down.

[Gingertipster]

Re: Hugo Taylor Casey is just someone who thinks his opinion is the only worthwhile opinion. Remind you of anyone? :$ :dude :lol

[TheRat]

Re: Hugo Taylor Hugh is on fire at the moment. You wouldn't really know though. If it was Pricewise it would be impossible to ignore the fact.... Some top tipping anyway with yet another winner going in

[Monterosso]

Re: Hugo Taylor He copied me again. :p

[BAGS is BENT]

Re: Hugo Taylor

The problem for me is ATR trumpeting massive profits for Hugh when it's virtually impossible to get on at his recommended prices. His profit/loss to SP should be set out clearly too so as to give a fairer indication of his skills. I'd be very surprised if anyone backing Lady Norlela this morning has got on at his 25/1 recommendation. Very quickly the bookies slash to half those prices knowing that Hugh's followers will pile on regardless.

The most sensible comment on this thread by a distance:clap CJ............i can understand where you are coming from,but maybe you could have put your point across more eloquently;) WW............asking for banishment of CJ is a little harse dont you think old bean?;)

[fintron]

Re: Hugo Taylor Maybe it might be worth doing a trial of the tips on here and loggin the odds by the time you go and place the bet and seeing just how long they hang on for?

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor Think Casey Jones has a point but others have blasted him for not fully understanding what he's trying to get across. A lot of tipping services advertise their profits to £100 a point stake , but within minutes of posting the tips the odds are slashed and nobody can get on at advised prices. If your typical stake is in the £100s then you are really going to struggle to get your money on a Hugh Taylor selection at the advised price. Same with pricewise in the past at the end of the year they claim they made £xxx of thousands at advised prices at £xxx a point. Even if you can get on , if its to tiny stakes its not worth the bother. In the late 90s and early 2000s i was religiously following pricewise . My normal stake at the time was £200-£400 a horse, however whenever i got a hit on a pricewise selection at a decent price it would only be for a restricted £25 or sometimes £10 , a tiny fraction of my normal bet. If I could have got on when Mel Collier was doing Pricewise i'd have won a fortune , instead a winning pricewise bet only got me back one or two losing bets

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor Pricewise Extra is posted at around noon each day and it is slashed within a minute or 2 of being posted , probably regardless of how much has been taken. Those who are working at that time have no choice but to settle for the reduced odds , if they want to follow it.

[TheRat]

Re: Hugo Taylor Hugh Taylor is a free service - you are not paying for his opinions and the prices posted are real. It is not his fault the bookies slash the odds in minutes. Don't see the any complaints at all. What do you want? For him to tip uip with a price then to update and change it 10 minutes later with the new odds? Ridiculous

[TheBoyRooney]

Re: Hugo Taylor as i have said before and rat here too..What do you want hugh to do ,put up"the odds are 50-1 now but they will be 16-1 in 20 minutes so thats what i allow"..When you or any tipster put up a tip do they usually put the odds at the time or sp when the difference could be anything from 33-1 at the time into 3-1 winner?thats right the current odds any tipster would put up..its not his fault,what do you want him to do,go away and lock himself in a room and keep his talent to himself..:cigar People are so negative,there is nothing wrong with discussion on the thing or having a opinion but at least throw in the odd "the man is clearly talented" or "people could learn from his write ups.."reminds me of a story.. ******************************************* in deepest africa,a young boy lies crouched over holding his head in his hands he is inconsolable..An aid worker approaches the boy AID WORKER "What is wrong" The boy doesnt answer AID WORKER "Is it the fact you havent eaten in 4 days". The boy doesnt answer AID WORKER "is it the fact you have no shoes on your feet,no clothes on your back,no cream for your face to prevent you from the seering burning sun" The boy doesnt answer AID WORKER " is it that you havent seen your mother and father for three years as they are 300 miles away deep in a mine working for peanuts". BOY replies "It is none of those things Mister....I can't stop crying because you cant get the odds hugh taylor puts up if you are not in time,and they show profits to those early odds rather than sp.."..

[south_eastern_ram]

Re: Hugo Taylor Not all his tips get smashed up in the betting, he tipped Green Earth at 33/1 and you could still get on at 25/1 with some firms. Another tip the other day at Lingfield that made all under Spencer didnt really come in to much as well i recall.

[TheBoyRooney]

Re: Hugo Taylor his first bet today advised at 10-1,still available at 9-1

[cpo]

Re: Hugo Taylor This thread is ridiculous. How can anyone criticise what he does? It's a free service and a very good one at times!

[peteg40]

Re: Hugo Taylor

This thread is ridiculous. How can anyone criticise what he does? It's a free service and a very good one at times!

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap Very good comment :) If you don't follow him then don't as stated it's all FREE :cigar:cigar

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor Why are do many punters think its accepteble for bookies to slash advertised prices before anybody can get on ? Have you all accepted it because that is how you've know it for all of your punting careers ? Lets put this into another context. Lets say ASDA in the media advertises that from 9am tommorrow morning they are selling their chickens at half price. Hoards of shoppers raid the store at 9am for their half price chickens by the time they get to the checkouts at 9.15am onwards they are informed that the prices have reverted to normal. They held the prices for a full 15 minutes before changing the price. Would any of you find this sort of practice acceptable ?

[markmywords]

Re: Hugo Taylor Hugh has no control of the bookies he just provides the chickens and states how much they are going for when he lets them go. It is Asda and Tesco controlling their books after that.

[cpo]

Re: Hugo Taylor

Why are do many punters think its accepteble for bookies to slash advertised prices before anybody can get on ? Have you all accepted it because that is how you've know it for all of your punting careers ? Lets put this into another context. Lets say ASDA in the media advertises that from 9am tommorrow morning they are selling their chickens at half price. Hoards of shoppers raid the store at 9am for their half price chickens by the time they get to the checkouts at 9.15am onwards they are informed that the prices have reverted to normal. They held the prices for a full 15 minutes before changing the price. Would any of you find this sort of practice acceptable ?

You can't compare it to that as a shop's price can't fluctuate during the day. We are talking about the gambling industry.. it's totally different. Plus I know people who wait by their computers for these tips to come out and get on and the best possible price seconds after the tips have been published with the view to laying them later on. There are probably hundreds of people doing this all over the country so of course the price is going to come in straight away.

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor

You can't compare it to that as a shop's price can't fluctuate during the day. We are talking about the gambling industry.. it's totally different. Plus I know people who wait by their computers for these tips to come out and get on and the best possible price seconds after the tips have been published with the view to laying them later on. There are probably hundreds of people doing this all over the country so of course the price is going to come in straight away.

What i am saying is , is this acceptable ? A lot of you seem to have given up and take it as the norm. Whats the point about advertising a product or price ? You think its acceptable that a bookie offers a certain price , yet 99% of the activaty on the horse are at lesser odds ?

[cpo]

Re: Hugo Taylor The example you gave about the chickens would not be acceptable but in terms of tipping then I believe it is. If you are quick enough then you can get on at the advertised price online. We are talking about bookmakers though. They will have limits for every price and I am guessing these limits will be reached very quickly once the tips are given out, hence why the price drops so quickly. If Hugh Taylor gave a tip out at 33/1, surely you can't expect the bookies to keep it that way just so everyone gets on at the advertised price. The more money that comes for the horse the quicker its going to come in. Take today's tip Colonel Mak... This horse was available at 10/1 last night and this morning and was tipped up by Hugh at 10/1 at around half 10. I don't know what time the prices changed for the horse but it is now down to 7/1 in places. I don't see anything wrong with the price change? Maybe I am just not understanding your argument?

[TheBoyRooney]

Re: Hugo Taylor

What i am saying is , is this acceptable ? A lot of you seem to have given up and take it as the norm. Whats the point about advertising a product or price ? You think its acceptable that a bookie offers a certain price , yet 99% of the activaty on the horse are at lesser odds ?

of course it is acceptable,they are a business and in so like any company is this world must protect the buiness from any dangers of loss..:wall what do you want the bookmakers to do "hey boss hugh taylor just tipped a horse at 100-1"...Boss says "ok leave it at the 100-1 for a half hour we see what happens".

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor It is to me unacceptable . At least give punters a window of opportunity to get on. Those that do get on would have to sit by the computer waiting for the tips to be posted , then immediately they would have to place the bets on. Only a tiny tiny minority would be able to do this , probably virtually negligable in terms of total volume traded. Ever played roulette in a casino ? What if it came red 6 times on the trot. Then on the next spin everybody in the house wants to tank red . However the pit boss limits everybodys bets and instead of offering evens he offers 8/11. Acceptable ?....................no.

[DLL]

Re: Hugo Taylor

It is to me unacceptable . At least punters a window of opportunity to get on. Those that do get on would have to sit by the computer waiting for the tips to be posted , then immediately they would have to place the bets on. Only a tiny tiny minority would be able to do this , probably virtually negligable in terms of total volume traded. Ever played roulette in a casino ? What if it came red 6 times on the trot. Then on the next spin everybody in the house wants to tank red . However the pit boss limits everybodys bets and instead of offering evens he offers 8/11. Acceptable ?....................no.

I think your missing the point, loads of people follow Hugh's tips and do sit by the computer so they can get the early prices. This is the reason why the bookies reduce the prices, because of the volume of money placed on the horses not because they're scared of him. I've only very rarely seen them reduce a price drastically if there's something about a horse which they've missed and so vastly underestimated its chances. I agree though it is annoying when the presenters bleat on every couple of months about his latest big priced winner when most people probably never got anywhere near the price.

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor The people that do get on are a tiny tiny minority , for miniscule amounts , so its not really sporting of them , which is the point i'm trying to convey. Also its not only Hugh Taylor and Pricewise , its any tipping service with a decent following , when i followed Timeform several years back all their selections moved the market too without fail.

[Haystacks]

Re: Hugo Taylor

It is to me unacceptable . At least give punters a window of opportunity to get on. Those that do get on would have to sit by the computer waiting for the tips to be posted , then immediately they would have to place the bets on. Only a tiny tiny minority would be able to do this , probably virtually negligable in terms of total volume traded. Ever played roulette in a casino ? What if it came red 6 times on the trot. Then on the next spin everybody in the house wants to tank red . However the pit boss limits everybodys bets and instead of offering evens he offers 8/11. Acceptable ?....................no.

So you want Hugh Taylor/Pricewise/Timeform/whoever to do all the hard work finding selections for you, and then the bookmakers to fall over themselves to lay you the best prices on those selections? Sounds like all you really want is something for nothing. And your roulette analogy is quite frankly, pretty ludicrous.

[cpo]

Re: Hugo Taylor What I find quite annoying is when you are watching attheraces on a Saturday and the market moves come up on the screen but they never mention the ones that have been tipped up by these tipsters. It's OK for people with access to the internet but for those that don't, I think this can be quite misleading. For me it makes a little difference whether it is a genuine market move or something that has been put up by Pricewise or Hugh Taylor.

[erhaab1965]

Re: Hugo Taylor

So you want Hugh Taylor/Pricewise/Timeform/whoever to do all the hard work finding selections for you, and then the bookmakers to fall over themselves to lay you the best prices on those selections? Sounds like all you really want is something for nothing. And your roulette analogy is quite frankly, pretty ludicrous.

I'm not asking for something for nothing , only a bit of sportsmanship and lay punters a little bit of the odds on offer , is that too much to ask for ? Is it like the majority of tips are winning tips , no of course not. They make plenty when a 33/1 ,50/1 , 100/1 shot beats the odds on fav . Theres some punters who lump on short priced favourites because they've been shortened significantly , where the form suggests the odds should be much longer , and gets beat accordingly . I am guilty on occassions. A lot of members on are here to find an edge to beat the bookies , but some on here sound like dogs and deem it ok to accept whatever tripe bookies dish out. I totally understand the view the bookies take which from a punters point of view is a crock of rubbish. Just because we have to work round their rules doesn't mean we should agree with them. Tabbythecat where are you i'm interested in your 37 pence worth . Agree or not ?

[jayalexander]

Re: Hugo Taylor I cannot see your argument! To ask that bookmakers keep their odds at pre Taylor prices on a given day just ain't happening. What if he quoted a betfair price? The money available to back the horse at that price would disappear almost instantly and could even halve for a time. I'm sure you understand that this is the same way that a bookie works. To compare this situation to chickens is laughable; supermarkets obviously build discounts into their profit margins and it would be a very stupid bookie to do anyone a favour :lol I don't even think tabby would defend this one!