PAULM03 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nice few weeks of boxing lined up. Going to try and give a bit of betting analysis the ones I'm interested in. If anyone wants to add any fights feel free. Autumn schedule is: Sept 27 (HBO) - Shane Mosley - Ricardo Mayorga Sept 27 Andre Berto - Steve Forbes October 4 - Arthur Abraham - Raul Marquez October 11 - Chad Dawson - Antonio Tarver October 11 - Vitali Klitschko - Samuel Peter October 18 - Hugo Garay -Jurgen Brähmer October 18- Kelly Pavlik - Bernard Hopkins October 24 - Lucian Bute - Librado Andrade Nov 8 (HBO) - Joe Calzage - Roy Jones Jr Nov 15 (HBO) Jermain Taylor - Jeff Lacy Nov 15 Kermit Cintron - Lovemore N'dou Nov 22 - Paulie Malignaggi - Ricky Hatton December 6 - Manny Pacquiao - Oscar De La Hoya I'm going to start with Klitschko V Peter. Intriguing fight this one. Vitali has been out of action since december 2004 (was it really that long ago:eek) when he beat Danny Williams. But it just goes to show the state of the division when his comeback fight is for the WBC title. Not only that he's still the most credible heavyweight out there. Samuel Peter is a supposed big hitter, but was taken to points by James Toney twice, jameel Mccline once (getting put down 3 times in the process) and was KOd by Wladimir Klitschko, who is supposedly chinny. He's a bit of a fraud for me, well maybe not a fraud, just overhyped. He's a big lumbering heavy, with little skill and even after 4 years out Vitali should be faaar too slick for him. Only one result here for me: Klitschko by KO. No price up yet as far as I can see but I'll definitely be having a snifter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Mosley vs Mayorga should be an absolute belter. Also very interested in Pavlik vs Hopkins. Pavlik has looked awesome in some of his bouts lets see how he'll do against the legend Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Mosley vs Mayorga should be an absolute belter. Also very interested in Pavlik vs Hopkins. Pavlik has looked awesome in some of his bouts lets see how he'll do against the legend Hopkins. Pavlik V Hopkins was going to be my next write up. Although I will say now it's BHop all the way IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing I really rate Pavlik, I think he is the real deal. I think he'll be too quick for hopkins and probably win on points in a messy bout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Klitschko V Peter tonight. I'll post a feed in the forum for anyone interested who can't see it. Only bet for me on this: [email protected] Klitschko by KO. Fancy him to take it in the first half, but holding off mainly due to his likely ring rusty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Seems a decent bet that Paul although Samuel does have a solid granite chin so I won't be surprised if it does go the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtfcPete Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing I would have thought Vitali will want to ease himself back in so I wouldn't expect an early knockout especially considering Peter's chin, I've taken Klitschko on points @ 2.75 SJ. He does have many early knockouts on his record though so I could be wrong..! Heavyweight fights these days seem to be decisions more often than not, Peter went the distance with Vitali's brother and has never been knocked out so I think a decision is likely, 3 out of Peter's last 4 fights have gone the distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Sorry about the stream, only just started watching. Its on www.justin.tv, search for it on their homepage:ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing I'll be impressed if Peter sees this out. He's getting picked off left right and centre. Vitali is just taking it easy. I think LTFC might have made a good call with the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtfcPete Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Once it started I didn't think he'd get anywhere near 8 rounds so fair play to him, well done Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Peter quit on his stool, end of the 8th. And I don't fcuking blame him, he was getting beat up bigstyle. It was like watching a veteran nightclub bouncer school a mouthy 16 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Once it started I didn't think he'd get anywhere near 8 rounds so fair play to him, well done Paul. I only caught it from the 4th. It was obvious he was taking punishment, but Vitali was taking it very easy, I thought he might just be trying to ease in and see out the 12 rounds. That left-right-left combo was just landing too often though in the end. Decent performance. I'll tell you what, Haye can't beat Vitali. No way. That chopping overhand right would put him on his arse in double quick time. If Haye does want to be world champ he's going to have to avoid him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing That was bad wasnt it? :( I'll tell you what, Haye can't beat Vitali. No way. That chopping overhand right would put him on his arse in double quick time. If Haye does want to be world champ he's going to have to avoid him. Exactly what I thought mate......thought that was quite impressive tonight from VK, can certainly rule this division with ease still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing btw Paul what are your thought on Vitali?? I really have never understood why he gets a bad press and gets constantly called over-rated by so many, his KO record is uop there with anyone's? He has always taken on whoever was put in front on him, he has such a good chin he has never even took a count. The 2 defeats he suffered - one of them comfortably ahead on the judges cards before the rotator cuff in his shoulder came out and he was put out for 8 months............and the other he was ahead agaianst Lennox Lewis (considered an all time great) and was forced into a retirement because of a huge cut on the doctors advice despite wanting to carry on. Think the guy gets a bad time personally. If he was a yank I think they would have drummed him up as much as Holyfield, Tyson etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing btw Paul what are your thought on Vitali?? I really have never understood why he gets a bad press and gets constantly called over-rated by so many, his KO record is uop there with anyone's? He has always taken on whoever was put in front on him, he has such a good chin he has never even took a count. The 2 defeats he suffered - one of them comfortably ahead on the judges cards before the rotator cuff in his shoulder came out and he was put out for 8 months............and the other he was ahead agaianst Lennox Lewis (considered an all time great) and was forced into a retirement because of a huge cut on the doctors advice despite wanting to carry on. Think the guy gets a bad time personally. If he was a yank I think they would have drummed him up as much as Holyfield, Tyson etc Brilliant fighter, IMO. Not many really big names on his record but he has taken apart almost every fighter he has been in with, aside from Lewis who IMO would have been a great in any era. People go on about Tyson as a Legend, but who is the biggest name on Tyson's record? Vitali's got a lot going for him, physique, skill, chin, punch. He's going to dominate for the next couple of years barring injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevshat Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing The main reason he doesn't get the credit he deserves is that the division is a joke really isn't it. I agree with you two, it's wrong because I think he'd have every chance of dominating in a strong heavyweight division and I guess you can only beat what's in front of you. Any interest in Tarver vs Dawson tonight :unsure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing How heavy did Tarver weigh in at. the last time I saw him box he was like a big fcuking blob. OOps got Tarver mixed up with someone else:$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Brilliant fighter, IMO. Not many really big names on his record but he has taken apart almost every fighter he has been in with, aside from Lewis who IMO would have been a great in any era. People go on about Tyson as a Legend, but who is the biggest name on Tyson's record? Vitali's got a lot going for him, physique, skill, chin, punch. He's going to dominate for the next couple of years barring injury. Pretty much the same opinion I have, lets remember Lewis wasnt exactly jumping back into the ring for a re-match was he?:unsure Was Vatali ahead by 2-3 rounds with 5-6 to go from me memory? Tyson was brutal at knocking out bums wasnt he? A lot of defeats agaisnt average fighters though....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Any interest in Tarver vs Dawson tonight :unsure.Nah, light heavies a weird division right now. These fellas are all past it. In fact outside Haye there's not a great deal of interest for me at anything above middleweight. The main reason he doesn't get the credit he deserves is that the division is a joke really isn't it When has it not been a joke though. Fair enough there's the Ali/Frazier/Holmes/Foreman era but outside that there's never been any strength in depth. Pretty much the same opinion I have, lets remember Lewis wasnt exactly jumping back into the ring for a re-match was he? Was Vatali ahead by 2-3 rounds with 5-6 to go from me memory? Lewis was always going to retire if he won though. IMVHO if Lewis had lost he would have won a rematch then retired. Lewis could come back now and dominate. For my money one of the most under-rated fighters in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevshat Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Nah, light heavies a weird division right now. These fellas are all past it. In fact outside Haye there's not a great deal of interest for me at anything above middleweight. When has it not been a joke though. Fair enough there's the Ali/Frazier/Holmes/Foreman era but outside that there's never been any strength in depth. Lewis was always going to retire if he won though. IMVHO if Lewis had lost he would have won a rematch then retired. Lewis could come back now and dominate. For my money one of the most under-rated fighters in history. You used to have some blokes who'd at least swing a few punches though wouldn't you. Now it's all hugging and holding. It's shite. I can't get any interest in the Tarver fight tonight. His last fight against Clinton Woods where Woods stood in front of him for 12 rounds was as boring as fcuk :zzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowgli77 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing I was out at casino so completely missed the boxing tonight, am I right in thinking both Klitschkos are now World champions? I don't think Haye will be in a rush to fight either of them. I think Lewis was an awesome boxer and should be considered a legend in his own right. He'd clean up if he ever came out of retirement. I noticed Holyfield is lined up for some title shot against Valuaev, just turned 46 and will be oldest ever world champion if he wins, Foreman was 45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing I was out at casino so completely missed the boxing tonight, am I right in thinking both Klitschkos are now World champions? I don't think Haye will be in a rush to fight either of them. He can beat Wlad by KO for my money, he hits hard enough and Wlad doesn't have the chin. Vitali's different though. Only way I could see Haye winning is on points, but Vitali's just too slick. Vitali fought with his hands down today and just picked off the jab, followed with the overhand right, too easy. Peter took Wlad to points. There's no comparison between the two brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowgli77 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing He can beat Wlad by KO for my money, he hits hard enough and Wlad doesn't have the chin. Vitali's different though. Only way I could see Haye winning is on points, but Vitali's just too slick. Vitali fought with his hands down today and just picked off the jab, followed with the overhand right, too easy. Peter took Wlad to points. There's no comparison between the two brothers. I've not seen much of Wladimir although I know he's always been 2nd best to Vitali. I thought Haye may be able to conquer this joke of a division but now Vitali is back it won't be so easy and as you say he'll need to avoid him for as long as possible. Would be an interesting fight though and Haye's lack of a defence makes him exciting to watch. It would be nice to have an English heavyweight champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Pavlik/Hopkins tommorow. Pavlik is probably the most fancied fighter in boxing right now. Shit hot. And with good reason, unbeaten, KO ratio approaching 90%, beat Jermain Taylor well, twice, and is widely tipped to beat Bhop tommorow night. It;s difficult to argue with the tipsters who are backing him. Hopkins is old and isn't the fighter he was. He tired against Calzaghe and the consensus is Pavlik will KO him late on. But this is Hopkins we're talking about. Rock solid. Only been knocked down once and a defensive master. He WILL make this fight messy. I really liked the way he tied Calzaghe up for the best part of the fight, showing why he's considered a defencsive master and IMO it's unlikely that Pavlik will land the shots he needs to KO him and land them often enough. This, coupled with the fact that the judging of boxing is a law unto itself makes Hopkins value to win the fight IMO. If it goes the distance, it's anyones. Because of this I've got a small value bet on Hopkins by decision, [email protected] (betfred). Tempted to have a saver on Pavlik by points, currently at 1.9. But I'll have a think about it and decide tommorow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Quality stuff Paul :clap :clap I dont know what that was from Pavlik tonight mind, certainly the worst performance he has ever produced, dont know whther it was the weight or if he just isnt that good, he actually lost every single round for my money :eek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULM03 Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Get the fcuk in. Haven't watched it yet but I'm looking forward to it. I might go and put meself on the winners scrolling thing at the top of the page:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing It's worth a watch Paul, a real lesson in how to completely out think and out box a fella with less experience than you. I certainly have to re-evaluate my opinion now that Pavlik would beat Calzaghe. :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevshat Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Pavlik/Hopkins tommorow. Pavlik is probably the most fancied fighter in boxing right now. Shit hot. And with good reason, unbeaten, KO ratio approaching 90%, beat Jermain Taylor well, twice, and is widely tipped to beat Bhop tommorow night. It;s difficult to argue with the tipsters who are backing him. Hopkins is old and isn't the fighter he was. He tired against Calzaghe and the consensus is Pavlik will KO him late on. But this is Hopkins we're talking about. Rock solid. Only been knocked down once and a defensive master. He WILL make this fight messy. I really liked the way he tied Calzaghe up for the best part of the fight, showing why he's considered a defencsive master and IMO it's unlikely that Pavlik will land the shots he needs to KO him and land them often enough. This, coupled with the fact that the judging of boxing is a law unto itself makes Hopkins value to win the fight IMO. If it goes the distance, it's anyones. Because of this I've got a small value bet on Hopkins by decision, [email protected] (betfred). Tempted to have a saver on Pavlik by points, currently at 1.9. But I'll have a think about it and decide tommorow. Great stuff Paul. Well called mate :ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing Good shout Paul. Didn't see the fight so what the fcuk happened to Pavlik? Was Hopkins just too big for him and clever for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowgli77 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Autumn Boxing I was reading something yesterday that tipped Hopkins, I think it was Frank Warrens column in The Scum paper. Well done Paul. I've not seen the fight yet either, recorded it as I was out early for golf this morning. Will watch it after Stoke V Spurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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