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England play South Africa in a 4 test series which begins at Lords on Thursday. Schedule: July 2008

Thu 10 - Mon 14 11:00 local, 10:00 GMT 1st Test - England v South Africa Lord's, London
Fri 18 - Tue 22 11:00 local, 10:00 GMT 2nd Test - England v South Africa Headingley, Leeds
Wed 30 - Sun 3 11:00 local, 10:00 GMT 3rd Test - England v South Africa Edgbaston, Birmingham
August 2008
Thu 7 - Mon 11 11:00 local, 10:00 GMT 4th Test - England v South Africa Kennington Oval, London
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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Damn shame about the forecast as I was bracing my wallet to get on SA at HQ. They look a formidable outfit in all depts (except spin) and think will give this same-again, same-again England XI a right roasting. Had Lord's down for Saffers comfortable win and England making 3 changes for Headingly (Flintoff, Harmison and maybe keeper) and fighting back. London rain has rather chucked that out of the window. :(

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series This should be an excellent match up which hopefully won't be decimated by the terrible English Summer. The opening odds have been slashed on the South Africans (some books offered 2.38 but now trading around evens) and with some justification as they look to have an excellent all round team. It's hard now to justify backing them particularly as they haven't won a series in England in the last three attempts. I won't be backing the home side either as there are too many potential weaknesses - wicketkeeper, opening pair and middle order to start with! However there does look to be some scope in the more specialised individual markets. I like the look of Amla to be South African's top bat in the series. The bearded wonder has started the tour on a flier with huge knocks against two county sides. Over the last ten tests he has the best average of all the South Africans and there are also question marks over the two players who lead this market. Captain Smith has only recently recovered from injury and may take some time to get back in the groove while Kallis has to perform all rounder duties and he too has just picked up a minor knock. Amla is an out and out batsman, he's in form and has already shown some liking for English conditions (although admittedly both warm ups were flat tracks.) At a price of around 6+ on betfair he looks the value pick. One other bet which may not last the time it takes me to write this up is totesports bowling match up between Ntini and Panesar. They rate Panesar as favourite here but most of his wickets are picked up at the spinners paradise of Old Trafford. Unfortunately for Monty none of the tests this series will be played there and in recent matches at the likes of Lords etc Monty has only bagged 1 or 2 wkts. Ntini is a very solid bowler and averages at least 3 wkts per match. Last time he was in England bowling at the same venues he picked up 20. I think around 15 is more likely this time around and can't see Panesar beating that. Ntini @2.0 looks nice but they will cut it.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Series Bet Kevin Pietersen will yet again be the main man in the England line-up and his record against his nation of birth is very good, he plays pace bowling very well and can be the top England series runscorer at an ok looking 5/2. 1st Test Draw. @2.28 (bf) Doubts about the weather still, can see both teams scoring 350+ in their 1st innings as Lords pitches in general are batsman friendly.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series I have taken the 1st test draw just now at sporting odds. Current price is 6/4. I don't rate South Africans bowling attack that highly: Steyn has done very well the last 12 months or so, Ntini a little inconsistent and wayward, then there is the relatively inexperienced Morkel & Harris. I can't go for either side with any confidence, so will have a small punt on a 1-1 series: 6/1 @ sporting odds.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series I like the look of Amla for South African top scorer in this series too. Smith just coming back from injury, Kallis not got a great record against England, while Amla is in great form if his warm up knocks are anything to go with!

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Some superb analysis in this thread so far. Well done all. Just a quick request. Can all non betting related stuff go in the cricket thread in sports banter as it's going to be a great series with loads of bets and I don't want those cluttered in amongst a load of other stuff so non betting talk in here please gents :ok http://www.punterslounge.com/forum/f27/cricket-thread-69591/

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Mark H. Is Ntini a cert to play the whole series? That would be my concern. The other being of course that South Africa aren't known for their playing of spin bowling. I've an inkling Monty might go ok in this series. If he does, I hope it's one wicket ok less than Ntini for you mate :ok.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Right then. I really can't wait for this series. Am so looking forward to it. It has the makings of a cracking series. The odds are strange though. South Africa can only be favourites through fear factor alone can't they? This is a side who were 1-0 down to the worst West Indies team ever put together not 9 months ago. So much is spoken about their bowling attack but in reality it's a one man attack with another one who has potential and at best a 3 man batting lineup and one of those couldn't buy a run against England in 2003. Fair do's credit where credit is due, South Africa were amazing in India but I'm still not totally convinced. I could be making a swift trip to the poor house but I'm going massively against the grain with my bets in this series. Prices alone dictate a few bets. I've just got a real feeling that this is an England side who's been doing "just enough" to win and now they are challenged could seriously go up a few gears. We'll find out. I've gone off my tits for the series bets. 7 of them, partly because of the prices and partly because the series is over in 32 days time so it's not a huge amount of time to have cash locked up. 4pts England to win Series 11/4 Boylesports I'm very much surprised England are 11/4 to win this series. For all their promise South Africa have still never won a series on these shores. Fair do's England struggled massively against New Zealand but I think they were the kind of side England would struggle against. Naggy, nitty and just horrible to play really. Their bowlers bowl line and length and batsman struggle with the lack of pace. South Africa represent a bigger challenge than New Zealand but England prefer the make up of the South African side. England generally play pace well and I'd expect our batsmen to be more at home against that. We've got a bit of a weak bowling attack out but South Africa don't have the best batting lineup ever either. I'd be very surprised if that bowling attack doesn't change throughout the series though. England's batsmen were poor against New Zealand. Part of that as I said was the niggly element to their attack and part of it was poor form for a couple of players. Ian Bell, Paul Collingwood and Tim Ambrose couldn't buy a run against New Zealand but Bell's gone away and bashed 200 for Warwickshire while Collingwood and Ambrose's game look suited to playing pace bowling. So much is said about South Africa's bowling attack but Dale Steyn aside it isn't as good as it's being talked about. Morne Morkel has plenty of talent but hasn't produced it yet while Ntini is starting to come to the end of his career for me. Andre Nel is well known in this country. Jacques Kalis is a reluctant bowler these days and Paul Harris is a pretty weak finger spinner. I think England will be really competitive in this series and at 11/4 they look a good bet to win it. 1pt England to win series 2-0 14/1 Sportingbet I've already said why I think England will win the series and I think it's worth taking a punt on a correct score. 2-0 England could be there or thereabouts. Ok it relies on South Africa not winning a test but their best ground is Lords and it could just be that the rain could scupper their chances there. England have a decent record at Headingley and Edgbaston, scene of the 2nd and 3rd tests while The Oval is always a tough place to get a result at. It doesn't always work out in a set pattern but I can see England winning a couple of tests and if the rain stays around there could be a couple of draws. Correct score betting is a good market for a small stake on a bigger price and 2-0 fits the bill for me. More bets to follow shortly :ok

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series 2pts I.Bell Top England Series Batsman 6/1 Blue Square Ian Bell had a rotten test series against New Zealand but he came back with a decent enough ODI series against the Black Caps and then went away and played a match for Warwickshire where he hit a double hundred so he's regained some of the form which had deserted him. To his credit it's only 4 tests ago he hit a century so we shouldn't forget that. One thing Ian Bell enjoys playing is pace where he can cut and pull and well as drive and he's going to get served a load of that. South Africa will inevitably target Kevin Pietersen as well as Andrew Strauss and Michael Vaughan and Ian Bell could just slip in under the radar so to speak. One of the matches in this series is at Bell's home ground Edgbaston where he hit that double hundred and that should boost him and I'll take the pint sized batsman to top score for England in this series. 3pts G.Smith Top South Africa Series Batsman 3/1 Sportingbet I know Meatman won't like this one at all but Graeme Smith is class and when he gets stuck into a challenge he generally comes out on top. He battered us 5 years ago. He got in and try as we might we couldn't shift him. That could well be the same here too. He had a decent series in India but a very good one against the West Indies and he'll like these pitches. he was superb in his season for Somerset when he played over here and if he gets in he could well book himself in for bed and breakfast. Of the main contenders, Neil Mackenzie had a shocking 2 months at Durham, Kallis has had no real success against England over here and Hashim Amla is facing these conditions for the 1st time. Smith is recovering from a hamstring injury but he is fully fit. Prior to the injury he was smacking the ball to all parts in the IPL and I'll take the Proteas captain to lead his side in the run charts as well as on the field. 1pt A.Flintoff Top England Series Bowler 10/1 Totesport Let's be fair, barring injury Andrew Flintoff will return for England next week at Headingley. So he'll have 3 tests to do some damage, again injuries permitting and he's such a class act that you have to fancy him to go really well. I've seen him bowl 3 times recently and he's looked excellent all the time. He's enjoying his cricket and looks a little bit like the Fred which won us the Ashes in terms of the way he's enjoying the game and the challenges. Once we let him loose he'll be raring to get stuck in. He could go into that 2nd test not that far behind too because England may not get many wickets in a rain affected test match at Lords. I'm very confident in the last 3 tests he'll take the most wickets so as long as someone doesn't get 10 or something silly at Lords, Fred is a runner for our top wicket taker. The smallest of small stakes is recommended though because he could go lame again but at the price it's a gamble worth taking.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series 2 others. 5pts The Oval to have most 1st Inns Runs 6/4 Coral Initially this looks like a gift from god given the reputation at The Oval but surprisingly Headingley has actually had more 1st runs of the grounds used in this series in recent years. However if the rain hangs around a couple of weeks, and it easily could then you would think Headingley will be tough to bat at. Lords could be tough too with the rain and we've seen how slow and tricky Edgbaston can be in the ODI there last month. I've been to The Oval 3 times in the last fortnight and it's a superb pitch there still with a lightning outfield. You'd think (and hope if you live in England!!) that the rain would subside by 7th August and The Oval could be played in terrific weather. If that's the case we know the pitch is full of runs and I'll hope for a couple of weeks of rain and then the currant bun going into August for an Oval runfest. 4pts H.Amla to beat A.Cook 5/6 Stan James I was a bit reluctant to take this bet because Hashim Amla hasn't played in these conditions much but Alastair Cook looks like he's got a bit of a technical issue about his batting at the minute. He's playing balls a bit wide of him and that always ends in curtains. One thing on our side is that Amla filled his boots in the warmup matches although it has to be said there aren't any better batting wickets in the country than Uxbridge and Taunton. Still if big hundreds don't give a guy confidence nothing will! Confidence is something Cookie won't have much of so I'll take the bearded Amla to beat Cook over the 4 tests.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series My only bet in the series is going to be on South Africa to win the series at evens. Personally I rate them more likely to win the series than not. For me England have been limping around for quite some time and I think they may well get found out here. There is a possibilty that England could and most probably will raise their game against the better opposition but they will have to do convincingly so to match the South Africans in my opinion. South Africa's recent form in tests in the last year or so has been good. They have won 12 of their last 17 matches, England just 7. They thrashed New Zealand 2-0 winning their tests by an innings in one and 350+ runs in another. Compare that to what England did against New Zealand. In NZ, they just overcame then 2-1 and even though Eng. beat NZ 2-0 in a three match series here, there were quite a few cracks in Englands armour especially the batting after KP. Quite simply Bell, Colly, Ambrose cant have a NZ style series against SA. Also if it wasnt for Panesar's fantastic spell at Old trafford NZ would have won that test match and then the series would have had a completely different dimension. Another factor to consider is that the NZ team in SA was better than the one sent over here, it had the likes of Fleming, Syris, Bond who add hugely to the NZ team. On a comparative viewpoint SA come on top from that regard. SA lost the first test to WI in SA but they came back to win that series easily, winning by an innings in the last test and that shows some grit and character which perhaps hasnt been in all SA sides. Bangladesh as expected were no problem. In India they played really well in a 1-1 drawn series, especially in the second test. They routed India by an innings blowing a batting line up with the likes of Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni out for just 70 odd and that is mighty impressive. They key to routing India for 70 odd was the 3 man style pace attck of Steyn, Morkel and Ntini. The fact that Pollock has been slowly pushed aside effectively says it all. Steyn has grown so impressively as an international cricketer in the past year or so, his strike rate of a wicket every 35 balls in test cricket after some time now speaks volumes. He is a major wicket taker. In Morkel they have another player of real promise whos height adds another dimension to their attack and Ntini continues to provide great support and even though he might not be finding wickets as easy to take as a couple of years ago. Nel is just Nel and Kallis is reluctant back up but effective at that as he showed here in 2003 at Headingley. One possible edge England have is Panesar over Harris but Harris actually hasnt done that badly in test cricket so far and personally I can see some of the SA batsman really attacking monty and how Monty responds provides another fascinating dimension to the series. Personally I can see the SA attack causing England some major problems and I wouldnt be surprised to see england having to finally change their batting line up latter on in the series. On the batting side of things Smith undoubtedly is a key figure and whilst Hoggard proved how much of an LBW candidate he is last time in SA, he isnt here to worry him and the question is whether someone like Anderson can step in and take that Hoggard role is questionable, certainly on previous ocassions Smith has scored really heavily off Anderson's bowling which is eratic still. Mckenzie has had success so far in his test career as a reborn opener. Amla has improved a lot since England last played SA and is in good form whilst Kallis will be very hard to get out, the type of player England have struggled to get out in the past and it could be the same there, Kallis' career could hardly be called a failure against Eng, he averages over 47. Prince is more of an accumulator style batsman whilst De Villers should have huge confidence in him after a huge double hundred in India. If I had a slight concern it would be that 8-11 is a little bit of a tail, if Eng put Flintoff in at 8 in the second Test and Broad maybe at 9 then Eng would have an advantage in that area. However to some up my feelings I believe South Africa are better than England and I believe recent test match form bears that out. Their pace attack especially could cause real problems to Englands batsman and they have more than enough quality in their batting line up to score really significant runs. I dont know what the weather is going to do at Lords where results normally are hard to come by but in the rest of the series I think South Africa will prosper.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Ok 1st test bets. 6 of them although one is double handed. 1st 2/3 are trying to buy a bit of profit and then there's 3 more solid bets. I'll do the buying ones 1st. 10pts G.Smith to takes more catches than K.Pietersen (DNB) 1/2 Blue Square This looks a straight forward bet really. Graeme Smith will spend the entire test match at slip unless he decides to bowl himself which isn't very likely while KP will at best be in the gully and more often than not he'll be in the covers and I can't see too many catches being taken from there. Pietersen isn't the best catcher here anyway as the Aussies will remind him! The slope and probable overhead conditions will assist catches in the slips more and Smith has as safe a pair of hands than anyone. It could be that one catch wins this for Smith but I expect him to get 2 or 3. 2pts England to win toss and bowl 7/1 Sportingbet 2pts South Africa to win toss and bowl 7/1 Sportingbet I've been done with this bet before but I will try it again. I live about an hour away from Lords and as I type this it's absolutely sheeting with rain and I would imagine that's the case at HQ too. Even though Lords drains really well the pitch has to have some moisture in it because it's rained all day today (Wednesday). Showers are forecast for Thursday and even though the forecast isn't as bad as it was showers don't help the batting side. England shoved the Kiwis in here 2 months ago and even though the pitch will undoubtably be a decent enough batting strip it could just be a tad underprepared which would encourage the captain who wins the toss to bowl 1st. 6pts 1st Test Draw 2.44 Betfair The last 5 matches at this ground have been draws and I happen to think that even with 5 full days this one could be drawn such is the quality of the pitch that Mick Hunt and his men produce. The reality is though that we won't get 5 clear days and even though the drainage ensures the players will only be off the field while it's raining that could well equate to about a day over the course of the 5 days. This is going to be a really tough battle with 2 sides capable of digging in and scoring decent runs and with only one decent spinner in the game that would all point to a drawn test. I don't normally bet on the outcome of a test match before the start but I will make an exception here as I expect a hard graft. 10pts A.Strauss -1.5runs to beat N.McKenzie (1st Inns Only) 5/6 Ladbrokes Andrew Strauss loves Lords. It's his home ground for starters but his test record here is something else. He averages 61.00 here over his 9 tests with 4 half centuries and 3 centuries to his name. He also likes batting against South Africa having scored 3 centuries in the test series out there in 2005. He averages a shade under 73 against the Proteas. Neil McKenzie isn't in good nick. He struggled in the warm up matches. Although he made 63 in the 2nd innings at Taunton, he also made a 1st ball duck there too and only made 11 in 1st use of an Uxbridge belter. Whenever I've seen him, and I've seen him a lot in county cricket over the last 2 seasons, I've always thought he'd struggle against the swinging ball and with his form and his stats both here and against SA I'm expecting Andrew Strauss to beat McKenzie 1st time round here. 10pts M.Panesar's Performance Pts - Under 81 5/6 Bet365 Points are scored as follows: 1pt per run, 10pts per catch & 20pts per wicket. Monty Panesar may have to play a bit of a watching brief in this test match as I fully expect a pitch with a bit of juice in it for the seamers to go at. I'm not sure if it will actually turn at all until very late on in the match. He doesn't tend to get many wickets at Lords, in fact he's only got 14 in 5 matches here and 6 of those were in one innings against a woeful Windies side. He picked up only 2 wickets in the test against New Zealand too. He's not likely to score many runs quite simply because he can hardly bat and I expect Jimmy Anderson to bat above him after his innings at Trent Bridge earlier this summer and with Monty being in quiet fielding positions to get a catch would be a surprise too so he's going to need at least 4 wickets which may just be beyond him. 1pt ew S.Broad Top England Batsman (1st Inns Only) 40/1 Coral (1/5 1,2,3) Even though I expect England's batsmen to go a lot better than they did against South Africa, Stuart Broad is overpriced here. He showed at Trent Bridge what he can do with the bat and my personal feeling is that he's better against genuine pace than he is the medium pacers. There are still one or two in the England side who's form could be questionable and if they fail again then Broad can capitalise. Regardless of what happens in the innings Broad shouldn't be a 40/1 shot so is worth a small ew bet.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series I agree with Woody. England have done close to nothing to impress me this summer and now that ring-fenced XI come up against a mighty talented side. I think they could get rolled here leading to much needed changes and a closer contest in tests 2,3,4. As to the weather, only Friday looks grim. Showers perhaps other days but an 11.00am start (first time at Lord's, I think) and Mick Hunt at the helm should ensure few overs lost/not made up. I'm not so gloomy on that front as perhaps others. Tempted to lash out but I'll go with a couple of fairly conservative spreads, a lay of England wrapped up in the first one. 6pts BUY SA win index @ 13.5 (25 win/10 draw) and 1.5 pts BUY Amla ton-ups @ 9

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Smith wins toss and inserts. Vaughan says he'd have done the same. Easy money, Kev :clap 1pt SELL England 1st innings @ 330 If only one down by lunch, possible trouble. But SA to hold their catches and 3-4 back in pav before the ham salad. ;)

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Smith wins toss and inserts. Vaughan says he'd have done the same. Easy money, Kev :clap 1pt SELL England 1st innings @ 330 If only one down by lunch, possible trouble. But SA to hold their catches and 3-4 back in pav before the ham salad. ;)
Cheers mate. With all the rain we had yesterday with the pitch being under cover I always thought that the captains would have that in their minds rather than look at the wicket and be brave. As it turns out it was a good toss to lose because it's a really placid pitch. Might well quicken up though as we go along.
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big trouble on the Pie balance sheet in this one. Have been waiting for a chance to get back in. AB de Villiers now in on 3. Quoted at 48-53 runs. Looks composed, correct and determined. 5 pts BUY de Villiers @ 53
My first post on here although been an occasional reader over the last few years, I primarily only spread bet and mainly on cricket but this test has crippled me - sold Eng runs at 380 and bought SA runs at 385, 5 pts each so I share your pain. Did you close out the De Villiers bet at profit? Tempted by SA 2nd Innings sell at 380 as even if they hang around for over a day they don't look to be in a rush to score plus pitch seems to be scuffing up a bit. Think I'll wait to see what the weathers like, my luck's clearly out though so may be best to leave alone!
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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Hope you both get an opportunity to claw some of the deficit back. :welcome to PL tiswal. For what it's worth I've a feeling we'll be made to bat again in this match. They can't bat that badly again and by the same token we're unlikely to take so many good catches either.

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2pts South Africa to win toss and bowl 7/1 Sportingbet 6pts 1st Test Draw 2.44 Betfair 10pts A.Strauss -1.5runs to beat N.McKenzie (1st Inns Only) 5/6 Ladbrokes 10pts M.Panesar's Performance Pts - Under 81 5/6 Bet365 1pt ew S.Broad Top England Batsman (1st Inns Only) 40/1 Coral (1/5 1,2,3) .
Great stuff there Kev:notworthyMonty squeaks it and bar Bell letting Pietersen take that catch it would have been a clean sweep,but a great bit of profit back:ok:clap
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Hope you both get an opportunity to claw some of the deficit back. :welcome to PL tiswal. For what it's worth I've a feeling we'll be made to bat again in this match. They can't bat that badly again and by the same token we're unlikely to take so many good catches either.
Managed to claw back a miniscule amount (about 10%!) of losses by going low on SA 2nd innings, roll on Headingley !
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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Cheers guys. A really good test match even with Pietersen's catch tieing Smith. +46.30 for the match and the series and even some of the series bets were enhanced in that match too. 2nd test is at Headingley on Friday.

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Re: Cricket: England vs South Africa Test Series Really terrific test match for you Kev, couldn't have asked for too much more really :clap:clap Had to be the 1/2 price that let you down eh :lol But I'm really impressed with those bets, not just for the match but the series as well. Bet you can't wait for Headingly eh!

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Really terrific test match for you Kev, couldn't have asked for too much more really :clap:clap Had to be the 1/2 price that let you down eh :lol But I'm really impressed with those bets, not just for the match but the series as well. Bet you can't wait for Headingly eh!
Cheers mate. Aye the 1/2 shot let me down for the clean sweep but at least I got my stake back as they drew 1-1. I shared your hatred for Graeme Smith when he skied it straight to him :lol:lol. Roll on Headingley :dude
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