Nade Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Not sure whether this should be in strategy or not but thought not as showing the whole hand ... Table #7732170 - Port Douglas Starting Hand #390679208 Last Hand #390677868 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: RING Money Type: REAL MONEY Blinds are now $0.50/$1 Button is at seat 2 Seat 1: 27Nade - $194.27 Seat 2: onepunch - $97 Seat 3: whatawhata - $107.44 Seat 4: lasstar - $53.25 Seat 5: SMOKEYJOE666 - $14.66 Seat 6: Bea1860 - $145.95 Moving Button to seat 3 lasstar posts small blind ($0.50) SMOKEYJOE666 posts big blind ($1) Shuffling Deck Dealing Cards Dealing [As Qc] to 27Nade Bea1860 calls $1 27Nade raises to $4 onepunch calls $4 whatawhata folds lasstar folds SMOKEYJOE666 folds Bea1860 folds Dealing Flop [Tc Qd Qs] 27Nade bets $5 onepunch calls $5 Dealing Turn [Td] 27Nade checks onepunch bets $14 27Nade calls $14 Dealing River [Ks] 27Nade bets $15 onepunch raises to $74 (all-in) whatawhata laughs out loud. 27Nade: wow 27Nade: QK? lasstar is thinking. 27Nade folds Taking Rake of $3 from pot 1 onepunch doesn't show onepunch wins $75.50 whatawhata cheers. Seat 1: 27Nade - $156.27 Seat 2: onepunch - $134.50 Seat 3: whatawhata - $107.44 Seat 4: lasstar - $52.75 Seat 5: SMOKEYJOE666 - $13.66 Seat 6: Bea1860 - $144.95 End Of Hand #390679208 Right, seems like an odd post maybe ... But i'm just wondering whether it's +EV to call this everytime no matter the opponent? To piece this together my thoughts through the hand are: Flop - Bet out to disguise the trips as i always cont. bet. - He calls - could have a few hands but he's a very tight, solid player who doesn't get into tricky situations so i think he's caught a piece of it. Turn - I check to represent a missed hand and get the bet like im expecting but don't re-raise as looking to value bet a river, but expecting a chopped pot. He floated me on the turn, which went through my mind so i was waiting to see what his reaction was on the river. River - Standard bet from me but he goes AI and my only conclusion is KQ. He's a very solid player as i say so i can safely put him on one of 3 hands - AQ, KQ, TT. Don't think he would call with QJ and would re-raise with KK/AA. So thinking about this as the time ran down i hated it but had to fold ... It all just fits KQ perfectly ... the call pre flop, the call on the flop to disguise his hand he thinks, then the bet out on the turn which could look like a bit of a bluff as near a pot bet then the AI on the river clinches it for me. This player wouldn't go AI with just a Q as they're smart - They know i'm only going to call with a Q thus splitting the pot ... So they haven't just gone in with a Q but some sick mofo of a monster hand .... I think ... :unsure .... Do others think i'm mad then for folding ? (He never talks so got no confirmation of his hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... Firstly, it's defo right for strategy so I've moved it. :ok Secondly, of course it's a plus EV call, you're behind to only one hand. Most likely he's holding T x or Q x (other than king), in the first case your full house beats his, in the second you chop. The number of times he'll push with the first case, outwieghs the rare times you'll lose the pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... I think he had u beat with QK but you have to call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... I'm 100% he didn't have 10x, this player just wouldn't do that he's very tight and by the book. I'm 99% his range was QK, TT, QA, plus maybe QJ. These hands are the only ones that make sense with that player and how the hand played out. I don't beat any of them. Can chop with 2, the other 2 i lose so it's a 50/50. The question then is it +EV for a 50/50 chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... I disagree, I'm sure he's on a 10. Is it out of the question that he'd call with A 10s preflop ? You check on the turn, he's made a full house and bets to take down the pot, he's surprise by your call. He thinks your bluffing here Here's an alternative solution, He's holding A J and he's just made his straight :unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhornet Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... I would call all day, every day.:ok However, if he did have KQ, your lay down is simply brilliant.:clap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaF Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... I disagree, I'm sure he's on a 10. Is it out of the question that he'd call with A 10s preflop ? You check on the turn, he's made a full house and bets to take down the pot, he's surprise by your call. He thinks your bluffing here Here's an alternative solution, He's holding A J and he's just made his straight :unsure I cant agree - he didn't have a sole Ten - if you have a ten, you cannot raise all in - you're not going to get a better hand to fold, and you wont get a worse hand to call - he either has Qx, TT, KK or a complete bluff He probably didnt have KK with no pre flop reraise. If he's doing it with AJ, it's basically a bluff,but a very dangerous one.... I think Qx is by far the most likely - could be QK, but could by other Q too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioArca Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... Dont think I could lay it down, if he had you beat then respect! One of those that may have been easier in live play, but online its a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... Just been on the blower to one punch and he told me he had AJ and said that Nade is so Uber tight he would fold every hand except KQ 1010 QQ or KK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... The 10x looks a possibility with the way played on flop and turn but definitely not the river so i discount it tbh. Gaf you know full well it couldn't be any 'other Q too'. Tight, solid, good player is calling with QJ minimum. Still certain i made the right play in that circumstance. Against nearly all players i call ... watching the player i think is just as important as watching the cards and this player hadn't gone AI before from a few hrs play, was playing v by the book, solid stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... Just been on the blower to one punch and he told me he had AJ and said that Nade is so Uber tight he would fold every hand except KQ 1010 QQ or KK. Lol wtf ... Thing is i'm really not uber tight, you can't be 6handed. I shown my thought process through the hand as to how i came to a decision - It's not just a case of having a good or bad hand. I look to weigh everything up now and try to make the right plays. Ok the fold may look weird and uber tight but i don't think many can disagree with my thought process and subsequent conclusion on their range of hands which makes the decision more intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... Do you ever use the check call in this situation if you're not 100% sure you have the best hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nade Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... Do you ever use the check call in this situation if you're not 100% sure you have the best hand. I do use check call. Reason i put out a $15 here on the river is as i think i'm ahead and sometimes someone with A high will call, someone with a 10 will call $15, if they have a Q i expect a min re-raise or call. The all in really shocked me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Re: To call or not to call... I use the check call a hell of a lot of the time but that's in omaha. The reason being 50% of the time the board pairs on or by the river and unless you have the nuts it's suicdal not to choose this play a large % of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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